The Open Door (megacrossover)

[Darmalus]

Very nice, I am enjoying the Bolo/EVA arc immensely.

I am curious why you chose to have still-fleshy Necrons, rather than the metal heads I have always seen before.

[barricade]

While I doubt this is a Kobayashi Maru scenario, although NewChaos -would- be pricks enough to see a use for it, if not in the way it was originally intended, that was harsh. Wrecked anything/everything that wasn't the Khufu barge, but didn't make it to the actual barge itself. Now even though it's not a KM/no-win setup, I'm all but certain this is either surprise training all the cadets will be facing, only aren't told about, or is specifically for Ashley & Scipio. I'm leaning towards the latter simply due to the one statement Scipio made to Ashley about how he's having to push himself to beat her. He's still beating her, but she's making him work for it. Which is an accomplishment very, very, few have ever truly earned, and usually only due to using 2:1 - 3:1 odds against a Bolo.

And now I'm massively curious as to what a Bolo with an S2 or S3 organ built-in might be capable of. Other then the standard OMFGBBQqq....*tapers off into incoherent babbling with the sparse 'win', 'awesome', and 'glorious beyond the sights of men' that can occasionally be understood* Or something along those lines.

As of the Necrons, since I've never played them, or been unlucky/lucky enough to play against them - thus I haven't bothered to look at their Codex to even know their abilities - did living Necrontyr even have psychic abilities? That or what about utilizing sensor systems that were never developed in the 40kverse? Weapons systems using the nBSG hyperlight drive as a delivery system? One minute nothing there, the next a sensor drone or whatever (Vortex Grenades anyone?) pops into existence via a hyperlight jump, less then 1 meter from the target. Boom/Surprise/Etc.

Very nice, I am enjoying the Bolo/EVA arc immensely.

I am curious why you chose to have still-fleshy Necrons, rather than the metal heads I have always seen before.

He stated at the end of the original fic that the Necrons were -winning- in the orignal 40kverse, and so the Gods + GEoM reset the timeline so they were never created. Which means that rather then inventing the obelisks that shut-down the Warp, the Necrontyr and C'tan, having now 'won' millions of years ago, got complacent. So they never lost their empire, and thus, never had to switch over from their living bodies into the living metal.

[Skyfox120]

Warning spoilers for the ending of Thousand Shinji

Very nice, I am enjoying the Bolo/EVA arc immensely.

I am curious why you chose to have still-fleshy Necrons, rather than the metal heads I have always seen before.

mainly because its the key plot point as to why Tziintch, mislatto, Regile, and Askukhorn exsit in the first place. They were ascended to god level when a Cannon wh40k timeline reached a point where the necron were able to ward a whole light year from the warp... after that it was essentially a game over scenario for all the other powers of the 40k-verse (With the possible exception of the Tyranids)... so the Ruinious powers got togetehr with teh GEoM, Ork gods, and the Laughing god, and did some searching in the past.

They discovered the Angel's as a minor foot note in teh GEoM's past, and backtracked them more to find out that they were originally a creation of warp entities at the dawn of time that fought the C'tan... well before the rise of the old ones. And maanged to trim the C'tan down from millions, to thousands in numbers. (Presumably said thousands have by now been trimmed down to about 4 or so by other C'tan as cannon Necron fluff states.)

Well the various warp powers may have seen the end game on the horizen (With a light year free from the warp it was only a matter of time before the Necron's would win, especially with there insane regen rate of metal bodies.) but they had one last card to play... mainly sending a Warp ward Pylon back into the past to the C'tan and Necrontyr before they became Necron's, while sending a Thousand son space marine back (With fractions of the various warp gods might stored inside it) further up the timeline.

The end result was that the C'tan and Necrontyr built the great warding and never had the need to become Necron's, defeating the Old Ones with no access to the warp. enslaving Eldar, Ork, and a good majority of other sentient races for teh C'tan to feast on. Presumably there are small pockets of various races that are missed, but are neglible threats... Necrontyr tech being so high that as soon as undiscovered races leave there solar system, they are pounced on and fed...

Any technological powers int he universe that exist beyond the NEcrontyr only do so for the amusment of the C'tan.

but lets cut to earth.. humanity evolves san's shaman psykers and thus no GEoM to destroy the hibernating Angels.... events of NGE happen with Shinji having been trained by the Thousand Son's marine before he went into stasis due to hard to access Warp. The sole purpose of all this is to get the Angels to evolve S2 engines... SO THEY CAN ACCESS THE IMMATERIUM THROUGH THE GREAT WARDING!

So Tzintchi and co. are now building up and battle training there forces against a unsuspecting NEcrontyr galaxy wide empire... One sans Necron's or at least Necrons as seen in cannon 40k-verse. The catch is they will only have one shot at makeing a impressive enough beach head beyond Sol system.... if the NEcrontyr discover earth or any of its spaceships, its game over. (Fortunatly the C'tan are blind to the warp and the NEcrontyr probably don't have any warp sensitive equipment on hand... as for the past millions of years there has BEEN no warp or psykers to threaten them).


Barricade- its never stated one way or the other whether or not the NEcrontyr had any psychic abilities worth note... they had souls so they had SOME impression on the warp certainly, but there description doesn't say one way or the other.

More importantly in this story they would have zip due to the warding...

Which also brings one up to viewing hte NEcrontyr.... at the moment Tzintchi and co have the perfect spy system via the warp. They can examine the NEcrontyr empire, and given that the C'tan war amongst themselves for amusement there battle tactics, with impunity via the immaterium. Thanks to the Great warding the Necrontyr and C'tan assume the immatarium is beyond reach of anyone. Hell considering the millions of years since the great war, its unlikely any of the NEcrontyr even REMEMBER the immaterium existed in the first place.

Actually I can easily see the Deciever making SURE the Necrontyr don't remember the great warding true purpose in supressing the immaterium... just in case some fo them get some rebelious thoughts against their C'tan overlords...

The C'tan (or those that remain... rememebr they fight and eat each other for fun...) certainly remember the Immaterium, but are completely blind to it... and again its been millenia since it was a threat to them... so long as the great warding exists, the C'tan would see no reason to worry about the warp because it should be 'impossible' to access.

So earth right now exists and can move with relative impunity among the galaxy so long as they are careful to remain unnoticed.

The catch is eventually they will be noticed, either by random Necrontyr patrols searching for new souls to feed the C'tan, or there own actions.

At that time Earth has to be ready to strike a crippling blow to the C'tan and Necrontyr.... preferably wipe them out, but cripple them severly at the very least... and possibly destroy the great warding as well (Which would have a interesting effect on the Slave Ork and Eldar populations.) and then be prepared for a rapid enough campaign to reduce the NEcrontyr to either extinction or weak enough they can never amasss the hordes of Necron conversion that they did in cannon 40kverse. Oh and they have to eventually eliminate the C'tan completely... NOT a easy task in the slightest, even if its likely they have only 4 or less to deal with at the moment.

Essentially they have the mother of David Vs Goliath scenario's here... with Earth having only ONE shot to take down the NEcrontyr empire so they have to make it count...

which is why using unknown attack methods from other universes isn't going to happen anytime soon...

[consequences]

Frak, all of that and they lost?!

[Jonen C]

For some reason I find the idea that someone reading this thread would have to be warned about spoilers in Thousand Shinji hilarious.

[Academia Nut]

TVTropes even has a comment on that!

And yes, take a look at the Battlefleet Gothic rules for Necrons. Their warships are capable of regenerating battle damage caused by 40k level weapons. Basically if they aren't blown to atoms or rendered down to powerless scrap, they will eventually regenerate or phase out. Necron (and by extension Necrontyr) tech is scary.

[consequences]

Oh, I understood why they lost, but it still sucks giant Bio-Titan balls. But I understand that awesomeness can only carry you so far against crushing superiority.

Fuck the leaderboards, and fuck Cheryl, that team is hardcore.

[barricade]

Well there is the possibility of them getting their hands on extra-galactic rated/ranged FTL drives, such as Asgard ones, or possibly slipstream from ST. Or something else entirely *shrugs*. And instead of creating an initial beachhead by battling the Necrontyr by expanding from a small spot inside the 'infested' galaxy, they build up forces in a neighboring galaxy, or Alt-dimension (and Odin does owe Lars, and by extension, Tzintchi, a very large favor). Then after building up somewhere where they're comparatively safe, come out of nowhere beyond the galactic rim, much like the Tyranids, and hit the Necrontyr with no warning across a massive front. Force them to spread out and not be able to really concentrate their fleets/armies. Perhaps do so at the same time one of the original pre-IoM Tyranid Hive Fleets was supposed to have crossed through the galaxy, but come from a different direction, further forcing the Necrontyr to divide up their forces.

Even with Evangelions & S2/S3 engines, etc, they're going to still need to face the Necrontyr at least 2:1 - 4:1 just to maintain combat parity.

[Valorie]

Okay, so Bolos and Evangelions aren’t enough. Now what?

To disrupt Necrontyr teleportation, or atleast slow the rate at which reinforcements arrive, it’s theoretically conceivable that neoChaos could built their own Stargate network in their native dimension so it could act like a web to interfere with enemy movement. Stargates can transport matter and energy across both space and time, which would complement neoChaos’ ability to travel through the Warp and bypass dimensional barriers.

My money is still on an Eva unit that can transform into a Bolo tank.

Stan Bush: “You got the Touch! You got the power! YEAH!!!”

[Garlak]

Hmmmm... Maybe they can build some kind of "teleportation are denial" sattelites/stations... IN THE WARP!

If the Necrons managed anti-warp pylons (and does neoChaos know how those things work to better screw with them? They should have tinkered with one before sending it back after all...) then it should/might be possible to make anti-teleportation stuff.

In Star Trek, shields and radiation messed up matter-transference... Teleportation is actually a possible psyker power, and possible to disrupt it... and the Eva DID have a defense against the phasing Necrons...


I'm in favor of the "sniping from Warp" tactic. Not only conduct raids, but deny teleportation... Heck, they should try to figure out a way to do something really nasty like force a sun to supernova or make a black hole in real-space while they're in the warp...

[consequences]

1 Evangelion, and 1 Bolo, without any kind of support were insufficient. Simply having some kind of infantry to keep the gauss obnoxiousness off their backs, or at least reduced to manageable levels, would have done a lot for their ability to continue the fight.

[WillowBee]

Sometimes its easier to expand on a primitive design that build a new high-end technology from scratch, so here are a few “low-end” concepts that could be altered to counteract the non-conventional teleportation and matter transmission of Necrontyr troops.


Coaxial warp drive (ST:VOY: “Vis a Vis”): Although neoChaos already has the ability to fold space, its dependant on access to the Warp to function and is rather energy expensive, two traits the Necrontyr can exploit. Coaxial warp drive folds space by drawing in subatomic particles and reconfiguring their internal geometries.

The alter on P4X-639 (SG1: “Window of Opportunity” a.k.a. “Groundhog’s Day”): While not as effective or reliable as the Asgard’s time dilation weapon that was used on the Replicators, its sphere of influence covers a much larger area.

Exocomp (TNG: “Quality of Life”)

[Singular Quartet]

1 Evangelion, and 1 Bolo, without any kind of support were insufficient. Simply having some kind of infantry to keep the gauss obnoxiousness off their backs, or at least reduced to manageable levels, would have done a lot for their ability to continue the fight.

Except Necrons have that horrible ability to absolutely shred opposing infantry.

[consequences]

I didn't say it would be a happy experience for them. But while they're being shredded, the superheavy units that can effectively engage the real threat aren't suffering further attrition.

[MichaelAwesome]

Except Necrons have that horrible ability to absolutely shred opposing infantry.

What about long-range holographic projectors in place of infantry? The Hirogen used similar machinery to create prey to fight and hunt who couldn’t be permanently killed as long as their programming remained intact within a secure computer system, much like the Cyclon’s Resurrection ship. These isomorphic avatars created by the Hirogen had full human emotions and could feel pain and pleasure, although the trauma of being tortured and killed over and over again caused their programs to break down.

Speaking of troop morality rates, how advanced is neoChao’ medical science in terms of xenotransplantation? In situations where they’re cut off from advanced medical resources, soldiers might resort to organ harvesting to heal their injured brethren. Visually, individuals with patchwork Frankenstein-like appearances make such interesting characters: the Vidiian, the Borg, various human/animal chimera, etc. The culture of neoChaos celebrates the freakish, bizarre, and unnatural, so they wouldn't be hesistant to dabble in such activities.

[Singular Quartet]

Except Necrons have that horrible ability to absolutely shred opposing infantry.

What about long-range holographic projectors in place of infantry? The Hirogen used similar machinery to create prey to fight and hunt who couldn’t be permanently killed as long as their programming remained intact within a secure computer system, much like the Cyclon’s Resurrection ship. These isomorphic avatars created by the Hirogen had full human emotions and could feel pain and pleasure, although the trauma of being tortured and killed over and over again caused their programs to break down.

That requires that they have that technology. The hirogen aren't ones to share, and they aren't going back to Star Trek for a while yet.

[Academia Nut]

Two problems with that idea:

1) Eldar holotech. They already have it.

2) Necrons can see through holofields. You do not want to be an Eldar player up against Necrons in BFG. Eldar ships are very fragile and use their holofields and superior agility to dance around their foes. Necrons just give them a single raised metal digit and then start the harvest.

[Garlak]

Maybe something small and mobile--preferably something that flies. Use it to harass the Necrons... the question is what kind of weapon to put on them that will mean they can do enough damage to the infantry?


Hrmm... what they really need to do is find a way to disrupt the teleporter beacon. My previous post was a bit too... ambitious. They need some kind of projectile, missile or... energy weapon that screws up the teleporter.

One way to make sure the missile gets there is to give it a personal shield. I've seen that in the Spearhead fanfic series, with a mixed Cylon/Replicator fleet.. ouch. One of Bpen's angels did something similar--drop parts of itself as explosive bombs, but shield them with an AT-field so they couldn't be destroyed in flight (and so they could smash into the ground and then *explode*)
Note: I'm suggesting putting a personal shield on a teleporter-distruptor weapon, one that would give a massive strategical advantage. I'm not saying we should put shields around ALL the nukes; though that would be one way to do things...

What kind of electronics do the Necron use? Maybe haacking into them will work--it worked on the Borg after all. Do Bolos ever engage in ECM, ECCM, hacking and information warfare?


HMmmmm.... what I'm trying to think of, is ways to combine the AT-field, pschic powers, and technology to create force multipliers. Precog cheese is good, yes... But things like travelling speeds for spaceships and screwing up their FTL-drives... and teleporters and teleport-deniers...

Hyper-Accelerated projectiles... Energy weapons and missiles being sent through teleporters...


Psionic Nexus/Hub/Relay!

If you can create teleportation devices that allow matter to be broken into energy, sent far far away, and be reconstructed into energy... you can probably find ways to transfer "just" energy--psychic energy.



Do the Evas have any special abilities? Like breathing/spitting acid? Or maybe... Urk. What about those synchronized MP Evas we saw back in Thousand Shinji? They moved essentially as one. And why doesn't neoChaos use Dummy Plugs? Or Reigle and Tzintchi bioengineer somekind of lifeform that is the perfect Eva pilot--some kind of symbiote that bonds to the Eva. (For that matter, the gods probably have samples and/or knowledge/info about the Tyranids... possibly enough to beef up the Evas.)

The Angel that split itself in half... Seele were able to incorporate that ability into their MP Evas. If "mere humans" could do it, couldn't the Gods make use of that? Yet for some reason the Evas we've seen so far are *still* the same humanoids. If Angels could be forced to evolve to such a point that "the billionth and one would be able to wound the Chaos Gods... the second fight them... and the third, annihilate them" then the Evas should be able to 'evolve' faster...

If Evas can adapt, change and evolve from simulations, why don't neoChaos use telepathy to, say... force the Evas to become more obedient, or smarter, or...


Hrmmm. Here's a solution to the "without an AT-field the Necrons just phase throughthe Eva and kill the pilot". Pit the Eva against Necron infantry/weapons until its skin develops a defense against the phasing technology. Or until it creates a specialized organ that protects the Eva from phasing enemies...

The AT-Field isn't just a defensive shield and macro-telekinetic tool. It can do weird shit like merge people's consciousnesses together, create a Dylac Sea, screw up radiowaves and scanning effects... Make an AT-field that reflects the weapons the Necron shoot at you.


At the least, if you're going to have Evas that fly, don't use humanoid Evas with wings. Grow a different Eva--a Flying Fortress Aircraft-type Eva, rather than a Mechanized Infantry-type Eva. An Eva that can float/levitate or in the shape of a bird... Sort of like Cthulhutech's Engels; the Engels that are in the air are insect/bird-like, rather then winged/jetpacked humanoids... and the swimming ones are, err, squid/whale like monstrosities?


IIRC, the reason that the OTL Evas were humanoid were because that's how they were "harvested"/cloned from Lilith.


Question: how was Kaworu able to use an AT-field, and have a really strong one? He was human-sized. Where did he get his energy? Did he have an S2 organ? What about the nanomolecular Angel... If so, then the S2 organs can probably be miniaturized...

Don't train a warrior, train a soldier.
Don't craft something, mass-produce it.
Don't make something by hand, automate it.
Don't do things manually, program computers to do it. (But keep a manual safety/override/e.t.c. of course... )
Heck, make the over-ride/safety switches accessible via Warp-powers--too bad for those machines and hackers.




I may've come off as confrontational in the thread, or flip-flopping between "Chaos needs to get a bloody nose" and "why aren't you doing X?" so... sorry... One thing that's bugging me is that the Evas seem too... vanilla. Standard. Yes, the Evil Kneevil bit is freaking awesome--All hail the Bolodrop!--but it kinda felt that aside from some performance increases (via precog and telekinesis) and bigger/better weapons, the Eva didn't have new tools/capabilities.

This is Chaos! It's fine to gather and combine technology and make guns with guns on them--nd put guns on the bullets!--but where's the weird, freaky shit? The "holy crap did that tree/shadow/kitten EAT that guy?!", the mass halucinations, illusions, the non-Euclidean geometry, the "tera-torpedos"?

All those weird, special/unique abilities can be excellent force multipliers.

To me, it looked like the military/scientific progress of neoChaos was rather... normal. Bigger and more--or miniaturize it!



That stuff is probably hard to think up and combine... especially when you're trying to get plot and characterization right and keep track of the universes your adding... But... hrrmm, is there a chance I can see some/all/most/omgwtftentacles of my suggestions incorporated?

Sorry if this came out as a rant or a dislike of the fic... I guess I've got some rather unrealistic expectations in the "megacrossover" genre... I liked Thousand Shinji, but The Open Door has had its good parts and its.. more troublesome parts.
(I dunno.. kind of like... Thousand Shinji was a 3-flavored ice cream. Very good if you have a good creator. Thousand Shinji has... what, dozens of flavors? [And is that peanut butter--and I don't want to know what THAT thing is over there...Is that MOVING??] So... um, yeah.)

[Garlak]

Ugh, one thing I forgot to mention.


The "teleport denial mega-structure in the warp" plan.


Von Neumann Machines.


Start "seeding" the Milkyway Galaxy's Warp with these self-replicating structures. They can either be basic things designed toward screwing over teleportation/FTL/communication... to satellites, installations, or fortifications in strategic points.

Of course, they're going to spread first, and activate only when Chaos is ready to assault the Necrons *and* it feels it can afford to make use of such a thing en masse. (Because if its used at the very beginning, all over the Galaxy, that tips their hand and shows the Necrons one of their weapons...) Maybe shut off tactical areas/battles first--and have several structures visible on the planets or inside ships to serve as fakes. Prevent Necron from realizing they're in the Warp. Show them what they want to see; but not too easily of course.

The VNmMachines should collect intel, passively, meanwhile... If you go with something like this, can I reccomend the strategy be named "Operation Blackout"? Or Bluescreen? Lights Out? Seems kinda fitting.

Is it possible to use psychological warfare against the Necrol? If so... Chaos go with the Kansas City Shuffle, and make the Necrons dance the Charlie Foxtrot. Have ghost fleets--raiders that look like an invasion force attack from one end of Galaxy... that look totally different from the rest of Chaos. Domestic uprising. Destroy several systems in one area completely and make them wonder what did that, why, and if its a new threat or one of the old ones... Force Suns to go Nova in a couple systems. Drive all the slaves insane, or kill all, in a certain place. Leave the C'tan overlords wondering WTF is going on...


Of course, inciting a Civil War should be one of the first steps, heh heh heh... Slave "uprisings" might not be as effective--and it's possible/likely that they aren't so much slaves as "biologicals grown en-masse in vats and fed to the C'tan." Study the C'tan modus operandi and sow discord...




I don't think neoChaos would send the Tyranids the Necrol's way. NeoChaos has made an effort of diverting enemies AWAY from their home *universe*. They wouldn't want to invite an Galactic "pest" control problem...

Also... since the C'tan conquered the Galaxy, it may be that they killed off any Genestealers and Tyranid off-shoots. So the Tyranids simply may not be coming. And even if they didn't kill them all off, there is still no Warp signals getting out of the Milky Way--no way to call the Hive Fleets.


Hmmm... I wonder... Are the Tyranids "tamer" versions of Angels or something?

[Valorie]

If Evas can adapt, change and evolve from simulations, why don't neoChaos use telepathy to, say... force the Evas to become more obedient, or smarter, or...

Yo, Tzintchi! Don’t forget about the benefits of coevolution and mutualistic symbiosis.

You could take inspiration from Israfel the seventh angel and split the Eva’s S2 organ into two linked halves that'd regenerate each other unless both get destroyed at the same time.

The Eva gets one core while the other could be placed into a remora*-like partner unit that’s attached to the Eva’s outer skin. The remora helps the Eva produce a multiple layered AT field in the same manner that Void Shields function, as well as serving as a redundant back-up system for when the Eva is badly damaged.

However, the most important benefit would be that the Eva unit and its remora partner would coevolve together. Examples of coevolution include: lichen, flowers and pollinating insects, ants protecting aphids, sea annome and clownfish, etc. One organism can't do everything, but two different species working together could compensate for the other's weakness.

*A remora is a commensalistic fish that adheres itself to the underbelly of sharks, manta rays, whales, and other large marine animals, gaining transport, protection, and feeds on materials dropped by the host.

[Richardson]

[quote="Garlak"]
Von Neumann Machines.

Start "seeding" the Milkyway Galaxy's Warp with these self-replicating structures. They can either be basic things designed toward screwing over teleportation/FTL/communication... to satellites, installations, or fortifications in strategic points.
[quote]


No... just... god no. Von Neumann machines are asking for machine rebellion and total disaster. Why don't you just call murphy on the phone while you're at it! It'd probably be less painful and anvilistic.

[Setesh]

Also... since the C'tan conquered the Galaxy, it may be that they killed off any Genestealers and Tyranid off-shoots. So the Tyranids simply may not be coming. And even if they didn't kill them all off, there is still no Warp signals getting out of the Milky Way--no way to call the Hive Fleets.

Hmmm... I wonder... Are the Tyranids "tamer" versions of Angels or something?

Since the Tyranids are extra-galactic probably no. The C'tan are part of this galaxy and no evidence of extra-galactic travel has appeared so the Angel's are likewise limited to this galaxy. While the Tyranids make use of the warp and the Hive Mind's signal is so powerful the warp changes in response to it there is evidence that the Hive Mind signal is not confined to the warp. Blanks and Pariah's do not effect (at least the codex I have says they don't) the hive mind signal of a synapse creature. They do effect Genestealer's broodmind but that is a far weaker signal. This is why not all synapse creatures can use the warp, the ability to use the warp has to be 'grown' in separately.

The 'Nids are either the result of some very bizarre evolution, or someones science project got out hand.

[Jaeger]

From an evolutionary point of view, Israfel's dual core and innate synchronized team-work had so much potential; I wonder why later Angels didn't adopt the design. That magma angel Sandalphon would've been nearly unstoppable if it had inhereted Israfel's abilities.

[consequences]

The nids aren't due for 38000 years, and won't be able to home in on the psychic beacons of genestealer cults anyway with the Great Warding.

[Garlak]

Ummm... was the war between the C'tan and the people who made Angels limited to our Milkyway galaxy?


And like I said... The nanomolecule angel had an AT-field. So did Kaworu. Where did they pull the energy to do that stuff? They probably had an S2 organ. Which means it can be miniturized... and ... did we ever see the core of the.. Dirac (Dylac?) Sea angel? It held a friggin UNIVERSE---what kind of S2 organ would it take to do that?

What I'm getting at is... That trying to say "well, the nano-angel and Kaworu were veeerryy small compared to the other Angels. So their S2 organs probably didn't give much energy..." doesn't address the whole point... Maybe small S2 organs can give lots of energy.

Regardless, we know that a human-sized being can create a strong enough AT-field to hold off an Eva. Just.. grow those human-sized as organs, put them in the Eva, link them to a computer or something, and boom... Rho Aias eat your heart out.


Or... have Reigle (and Tzintchi...) work on creating a nanovirus variant of that Angel. Put that virus in the Evas. That tiny virus can make AT-fields... any Necron trying to phase through them gets ripped apart molecule by molecule and fed to the Eva. How cool, and brutal, is that?

Release that kind of virus into the air and have them screw over the Necron.



Twin-Angels. Have the second twin be a REMF: rear-echelon.. well, you get the idea.

Have the synchronized angels consist of the nanoviral Angel, and a humanoid Angel. A controller of some sort. To make it's viral counterpart screws only with the enemy.


Scavenging.
There is no way in hell that Chaos will let any of their followers' souls be eaten by the C'tan. They'll probably try to pulloff something similar to the Cylon's "ressurection ships"--they don't specifically need the Cylons to get the bright idea to do this, but since there ARE Colonials (with Cylons..) neoChaos gets a leg up--so they can "catch" the souls of the departed.

In fact... With Reigle, neoChaos can probably be extremely efficient in "recycling" the dead bodies, destroyed structures, and debris... So they can catch the souls, and they can eat up dead troops--like the Tyranids did(do?Bah.).


The Necron teleport away damaged units? Infect those things. Let that sleeper virus sit... and boom.

The Necron teleport in supplies and reinforcements? Don't just deny the teleportation---find a way to make them end up in a star, or blackhole, or a killing ground of some sort. And let the Necron waste supplies and troops.

The Dakara device of Stargate... Why aren't neoChaos sending off Indiana Jones-type expeditions into the SG universe? Even if they don't want a strong prescence in that world, they should at least keep up the hunt for shinies... I wonder if capturing Anubis and pumping him for information, and then giving that info to the corporeal counterparts/followers, would be a legitimate tactic.


As for the Von Neumann Machines... They are supposed to do just a few things.
Self-replicate.
Passively gather intel.
Send that info back to neoChaos.
Shut off teleportation and/or C'tan FTL transportation and communication.
Serve as communication/transportation/teleportation hubs for neoChaos? Advanced version...

They're going to be doing this in the warp. It doesn't necessarily have to be a self-replicating MACHINE. It could have a trusted Daemon, or Avatar of the Gods, as overseers.

The synchronized Angel shtick is my recommendation to adding to those things... That way you have an Ansible-like communication and you can control them simultaneously and all that.


For those who are now worrying about me using the "synchronized Angel thing frequently, and will point out "making a self-replicating ANGEL is WORSE than self-replicating machines you wanker!!" Reverse-engineer the process; the method by which the Angel has synchronized.. stuff.



How good is Chaos at picking universes, and knowing where to go? They might want to pick up the Ansible from Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" series. At least they probably have the Ender's Games books and can hope to look for such a universe...

I mention this in case somebody points out "well we don't know if the twin-Angel thing is INSTANTANEOUS.. and over such distances."