The real (best approximation) size of the Imperial Starfleet

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-02 05:36pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:If the Empire could have built more than one DS at a time, why didn't they? They could have easily overwhelmed the Rebels. The reason why the Empire didn't do that is because they couldn't. The Imperial Sourcebook is from West End Games RPG. There is a lot of information that is incorrect in that book.

What a FUCKING waste that would have been, the Tarkin doctrine worked on the fear of force, not use of it.
More than one DS is simply wastefull.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-09-02 05:40pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:Pg. 195: VADER: See that great circular dish? That is the Prime Weapon. Mere starfleets pale by comparison.

If mere starfleets pale by comparison to the superlaser, obviously the Imperial Starfleet was not more powerful than the superlaser. Furthermore, Dodonna's statement only shows us that the power of the DS was > than half of the Starfleet. He didn't say "just" greater than half of the starfleet. He didn't say = to the power of half the starfleet. He said greater than half. That statement does not place an upper limit on the power of the DS in relation to the Starfleet.

More to come later...

Still get it through your thick skull? The Death Star makes planets explode instantly

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-02 05:49pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:If the Empire could have built more than one DS at a time, why didn't they? They could have easily overwhelmed the Rebels. The reason why the Empire didn't do that is because they couldn't. The Imperial Sourcebook is from West End Games RPG. There is a lot of information that is incorrect in that book.

1) Death Star was built entirely in secret. Can't have been that big of a strain.

2) It was shipped by one company and no one noticed. Can't have been that big a percent.

Now you will resume prattling nonsense.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-09-02 05:56pm

It has often been pointed out that spoken dialogue in movies and tv-series should not be interpretet directly. Above everything else it applies to Solo's comment about the firepower of the Imperial starfleet after they arrived to Alderaan system. As His Divine Shadow said, he was shocked beyond belief. At first he even thought that destroying a planet was impossible! The fact that Han Solo served in the Imperial military doesn't make him an expert on weapon efficency. Just ask yourself how much an average infantry soldier knows about the exact trajectory of a bullet fired at a 90* angle at the sky.

"Mere starfleets pale by comparison."

What 'starfleets'? How big they are? What kind of ships they consist of? Would a rational man say: "That is the prime weapon. It is capable of delivering X times Y destruction at the target." when instead he can use a common everyday word "starfleet" -- at least common in SW galaxy -- as a yardstick to describe its immense immense power. It's a description easy for everyone to understand.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-09-02 06:18pm

<sniff>you'll all ignoring my post at the end of the previous page<sniff> It's all because of that nasty Mister Bean posting just a minute after me and starting the next page<sniff>

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-02 07:17pm

And don't you forget it!

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-09-02 07:23pm

ARRRGGG You did it again

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-02 07:27pm

Ironic eh?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-03 12:52am

Mr. Beany Baby, did you rewatch ANH yet?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-09-03 02:08am

Commander LeoRo, did you get a clue yet?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-03 07:24am

Yes I did I have all five movies on DVD and I start my quest to enligtnment atop my secret mountian Dojo every morning by re-watching them

No none of thats true do you acutal have a point this time LeRoy or are your just sniping at my charater agian in an Ad-Homean attack

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-09-03 08:45am

Commander LeoRo wrote:I have to respond to the lunacy being presented by the rapid supporters of the Empire. If the Black Sun crime syndicate had to supply the Empire with the materials needed to build the DSII then that obviously would show that the Empire did not have the resources to do the job themselves. Why would they bring in an outside criminal organziation if it weren't absolutely necessary. That just shows how silly the EU is anyways.

Ehhh... you do realise that your logic is akin to: the US government giving a special contract to the mafia (so they can wash their hands of the whole affair if something goes wrong, claiming zero involvement), and the mafia has a lot of resource, therefore the US government does not the resource to do the job themselves.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-03 05:15pm

Aaron2 wrote:As to the "resource drain" being noticed, this assumes that the rebels had access to imperial accounting data in the first place.

Or they just read the stock prices in the daily paper and noted any extreme increases in shares of major mining, refining, and construction companies that would correspond to a huge new contract.

The fact that the DS2 was kept secret is more impressive then most people realize because of the amount of fine control it would requirte to keep something that big hidden.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-09-03 05:16pm

Mr Bean wrote:Yes I did I have all five movies on DVD and I start my quest to enligtnment atop my secret mountian Dojo every morning by re-watching them

No none of thats true do you acutal have a point this time LeRoy or are your just sniping at my charater agian in an Ad-Homean attack

Ah, I knew sooner or late he would revert too character attacks, with his defenses crushed..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-07 01:52am

It is not my wish to debase and attack Star Wars. I have been a fan of Star Wars for practically my entire life. My only intention in the beginning of this thread was to discuss what I felt was a contradiction between the EU and the "real" Star Wars. I just couldn't help but wonder why the Empire was so badly defeated by the loss of the DSII and a few ISD's. Once people started attacking me personally, I felt the urge to argue for the sake of arguing, by using all of the information from the movies that I had at my disposal. I still don't believe that if you look at the movies alone there is enough evidence to show that the Empire had millions of ships. If you include the EU then it is obvious that the Empire had a lot of resources. I prefer to look at the EU separately from the movies because of the many apparent contradictions. I know many of you will disagree with that, but that is the way I feel about it. Anyways, I just wanted to clear a few things up.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-09-07 03:08am

Commander LeoRo wrote:It is not my wish to debase and attack Star Wars. I have been a fan of Star Wars for practically my entire life. My only intention in the beginning of this thread was to discuss what I felt was a contradiction between the EU and the "real" Star Wars. I just couldn't help but wonder why the Empire was so badly defeated by the loss of the DSII and a few ISD's. Once people started attacking me personally, I felt the urge to argue for the sake of arguing, by using all of the information from the movies that I had at my disposal. I still don't believe that if you look at the movies alone there is enough evidence to show that the Empire had millions of ships. If you include the EU then it is obvious that the Empire had a lot of resources. I prefer to look at the EU separately from the movies because of the many apparent contradictions. I know many of you will disagree with that, but that is the way I feel about it. Anyways, I just wanted to clear a few things up.

Ah, this is what yo want to know? Answer one word: Palpatine. The Empire because disorganized without, Palpatine simple as that. They did reunite, though they lacked the morale.