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[Havok]

It's a valid question since referring to someone on the board by a nickname that is not widely known means a lot of people will be wondering who they mean.

You are right, it is a valid question, and I have no problem answering it if someone actually asks and doesn't go into "Vendetta Attack Rage" mode. You will note that the questioned was not asked outside of "Who is Tubbs?" which does nothing but get the answer "Schyler Colfax", which he already figured out.

I had no idea some people called SC that before reading this page in this thread. So if anyone has a problem with Dark Hellion asking that question, I invite them to fuck off, shove a cattleprod right up their arse and stop posting spam in this thread.

While I don't know if you would have asked nicely, I know the correct question would have been in the flames somewhere. And last time I checked "spam" didn't include responding to accusations of rule breaking.

This is not fucking Testing, but if you goddamn retards

Could you clarify who the "goddamn retards" are please.

insist on treating it as such, it is an entirely viable option to convince the admins to completely shut down the HoC and go back to the old system where if you had a complaint with the way things were run, you PM the mod you think is least likely to flame your sorry ass to a cinder in response and hope they can fix whatever it was.

Oh... Don't tease me like that Edi.

[Zablorg]

This is not fucking Testing, but if you goddamn retards

Could you clarify who the "goddamn retards" are please.

Ah, that would be me. I was simply asking why the question of why he's called Tubbs was some kind of an attack. Hellion made it sound like a nickname was an evil vendetta thing.

[RedImperator]

Okay, let's straighten a few things out:

1. Dark Hellion, you're not a mod, and I didn't ask you for backup. So can it with the rulebreaking accusations.
2. I don't care if people yell at SC for saying something retarded. My issue is that, with him, the definition of "retarded" is much broader than it would be than for any other poster, and the response is out of proportion to what the offense entails. SC says, "I was smart enough to turn off my images when I heard about the invasion", and people instantly assume he's insulting everyone else, Mr. Coffee completely overreacts, and two more people pile on.

The vendetta rule was written for two reasons. The first was to prevent feuds from developing and spreading all over the board--and yes, I'm aware how well that turned out, but that's a problem of enforcement. The second was to keep weak posters from becoming the board butt-boy. Hav, you got it right quoting IR3: even if the vendetta rule isn't written exactly like that, it's being enforced that way, and has been since there was a very public Senate thread about it.

I'm not saying SC should get a free pass when he acts like an idiot. But I am saying the response should be proportionate, that he shouldn't get dogpiled, and the infractions have to actually exist. I don't care how much he annoys people in the chat, in Testing, in real life, or in any other thread on this board. The spirit of the vendetta rule is that threads are self-contained, and whatever happens in them should have no bearing on how someone is treated somewhere else, barring a rules violation, which, I'll note, nobody in this discussion except me and Edi is empowered to enforce. This is my last word on the subject, gentlemen: quit giving SC so much shit.

[Havok]

Okay, let's straighten a few things out:

1. Dark Hellion, you're not a mod, and I didn't ask you for backup. So can it with the rulebreaking accusations.
2. I don't care if people yell at SC for saying something retarded. My issue is that, with him, the definition of "retarded" is much broader than it would be than for any other poster, and the response is out of proportion to what the offense entails. SC says, "I was smart enough to turn off my images when I heard about the invasion", and people instantly assume he's insulting everyone else, Mr. Coffee completely overreacts, and two more people pile on.

Except that wasn't what he said...

Since I was smart enough to turn off my images when the "invasion" started...

No "when I heard about it" there at all.
I think you know, Red, that I am the last person to get on SC's shit when he says something stupid, but this smacks of "the rest of you are just dumbasses", which wouldn't be tolerated by anyone and has nothing to do with the perceived vendetta people think there is against Tubbs.
As for "overreacted" that was Tubbs doing that to Coffee, not the other way around.

The vendetta rule was written for two reasons. The first was to prevent feuds from developing and spreading all over the board--and yes, I'm aware how well that turned out, but that's a problem of enforcement. The second was to keep weak posters from becoming the board butt-boy. Hav, you got it right quoting IR3: even if the vendetta rule isn't written exactly like that, it's being enforced that way, and has been since there was a very public Senate thread about it.

And I am all for that. In fact I think the rule should just be rewritten to include that. I hate when the weaker people in a group get picked on.

I'm not saying SC should get a free pass when he acts like an idiot. But I am saying the response should be proportionate, that he shouldn't get dogpiled, and the infractions have to actually exist.

This is exactly what happened in this case. He said something stupid and people responded appropriately. There was no dogpile, no unnecessary flames, no "Oh Elite Pwnage has done it again!". People, myself and eyexist, made reasoned and calm responses to what he said and pointed out why what he said was idiotic.

I don't care how much he annoys people in the chat, in Testing, in real life, or in any other thread on this board. The spirit of the vendetta rule is that threads are self-contained, and whatever happens in them should have no bearing on how someone is treated somewhere else, barring a rules violation, which, I'll note, nobody in this discussion except me and Edi is empowered to enforce.

C'mon, you know that is a ridiculous standard to hold anyone to. You can't pretend that you don't know a poster or his personality when you interact with them on a daily basis. In fact I've had Mike tell me that I'm a dumbass and have been "continuing my trend of being a retard lately" (I'm paraphrasing), concerning my opinions in multiple threads on multiple subjects, so that is obviously not a standard that anyone adheres to. Aside from that Tubbs did in fact say something stupid in this thread and that is what was responded to. How that is a vendetta violation, even under the expanded revision of the rule, as anyone saying what he did would have been treated the same, I don't see.

This is my last word on the subject, gentlemen: quit giving SC so much shit.

Damn, I wish it was that easy. I feel like I have been saying the same thing for two years.

[Illuminatus Primus]

That's was Mike's idea. And it wouldn't really have protected the board from troll invasions. They'd have just signed up a bunch of accounts early. Dumbass.

So you're saying that making the trolls job hard is a bad thing how, dickhead? Oh, so instead of being forced to join, keep a minimum of activity with an account in order to keep it from being purged, and actually plan and coordinate their shitheadery, they're now able to instantly join with obvious names like "anonlulz" or "ceepeelol" and post child porn at will. Because, oh sweet Baby Jesus, it was inconvenient to have a mod or an admin eyeball things.

I guess Mike should spend all his time tending to your sandbox, and not working a job or raising two kids and spending time with his wife. I guess we should up the math difficulty to calculus. How would you have done with that?

[Havok]

That's was Mike's idea. And it wouldn't really have protected the board from troll invasions. They'd have just signed up a bunch of accounts early. Dumbass.

So you're saying that making the trolls job hard is a bad thing how, dickhead? Oh, so instead of being forced to join, keep a minimum of activity with an account in order to keep it from being purged, and actually plan and coordinate their shitheadery, they're now able to instantly join with obvious names like "anonlulz" or "ceepeelol" and post child porn at will. Because, oh sweet Baby Jesus, it was inconvenient to have a mod or an admin eyeball things.

I guess Mike should spend all his time tending to your sandbox, and not working a job or raising two kids and spending time with his wife. I guess we should up the math difficulty to calculus. How would you have done with that?

Nice personal attack.
It is actually Mike's sandbox, as is constantly pointed out. He does have a responsibility to this board, even if it is minor compared to the rest of his life, but Coffee said "mods" or "admin". Last time I checked Mike was not the only administer or moderator.

Edit: And you know what, fuck off IP. You haven't been involved in this thread at all, and now you are going to jump in and "snipe" with your 2 cents and a needless insult. Shit like that is why "drama" happens.

[Mr. Coffee]

Did someone say drama? Oh, wait... It's just IP being a dickless little douchebag again. Let's face it, Hav, shit like that is all IP's worthless ass is actually good for. Someone wake me up when he's grown some fuzz on his balls, graduated college already, and gotten an actual job. Then I might consider giving a fuck what he has to say. But probably not.