A new day begins (24!) (spoilers)

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2007-01-15 11:28pm

Mr. T wrote:I think I've been watching too long. As soon as Curtis drew his weapon on Bashir (forgot his name) I knew Jack would shoot him.

The bomb going off was a surpise though.

I hope Siddig is featured more througout the season, great actor and character. I agree about not being able to take Kal Penn too seriously, which is unfortunate as I think he's a pretty good actor, just not suited to the show. I half expected him to go "I have come to American to learn the ancient art of muff diving !"

Alexander Siddig.

They're releasing the first four episodes on DVD, erm.

Vaporous · Post by **Vaporous** » 2007-01-15 11:50pm

Jack shooting Curtis was so fucked up. And I totally didn't expect the nuke to go off.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-01-16 12:33am

Paging Curtis E LeMay and Dwight Eisenhower, it's time to prove that Massive Retalitation works.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-01-16 01:47am

But who to shoot? Prime target's on the move...

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2007-01-16 03:38am

MKSheppard wrote:Paging Curtis E LeMay and Dwight Eisenhower, it's time to prove that Massive Retalitation works.

Except when the target is at large on American soil.

SeeingRed · Post by **SeeingRed** » 2007-01-16 03:52am

Vaporous wrote:Jack shooting Curtis was so fucked up. And I totally didn't expect the nuke to go off.

I personally don't see why it was necessary to kill Curtis. His shoulder was exposed even though he was behind Assad, and presented a clearer target than the middle of his neck. Also, what were all those other agents doing during the standoff? Why couldn't/didn't they attempt to disarm Curtis?

(Of course I'm aware of the obvious answer, 'that Curtis had to die to present a plot twist and a way to break Jack's morale', but let's go inside the 24 microverse for a moment.)

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2007-01-16 04:08am

It was pretty clear that Curtis wasn't going to let Assad live. A shot to the shoulder probably wouldn't have dampened his resolve.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2007-01-16 02:05pm

And there was some dumbass on MSNBC saying that the whole nuke thing was right-wing warmongering by Fox.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-01-16 03:03pm

Durandal wrote:Except when the target is at large on American soil.

Those soviet era ADMs need a lot of TLC to keep them running. They've long since gone past their five year or so remanufacture-by date, you can't just buy something that's been sitting in a warehouse since the Soviet Union Fell and then expect it to initate by itself. You have to replace a LOT of the electronics, replace the initator at the center, and probably some other things to get it all done. Somewhere, a country gave the terrorists the fissile material necessary to replace the initator and the technical expertise necessary to overhaul the electronics.

Expect that country to become a smoking hole in the next 48-72 hours if this was reality.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-01-17 03:59pm

On the technical expertise part, would it not be possible for all of that to have been from rogues such as Numair? Ditto on the fissile material part, while I'm not sure who the hell Marcus was supposed to be.

I personally don't see why it was necessary to kill Curtis. His shoulder was exposed even though he was behind Assad, and presented a clearer target than the middle of his neck. Also, what were all those other agents doing during the standoff? Why couldn't/didn't they attempt to disarm Curtis?

Apparently as a shot the "kill shot" -- dunno if it actually did it -- was more of a certainty in terms of stopping Curtis involuntarily, or at least preventing him from thinking of trying again before he expired ("bring him to hell with me"). I'm thinking of the possibility that a shoulder shot might've "stopped" Curtis more by the surprise that Jack'd shot him... but why risk it?

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-01-17 04:05pm

Ghetto edit -- death wasn't confirmed in episode 4, but FOX is calling it.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2007-01-17 06:16pm

Edward Yee wrote:Ghetto edit -- death wasn't confirmed in episode 4, but FOX is calling it.

Shit I was hoping they might spare him to create a tension working against the goal in a later season like the CTU sniper in Season 1. Mainly cause I liked Curtis and was one of the few people in the show that could be competent in combat with out Jack.

I somehow doubt Jack is going to be sane by the end of this day.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-01-18 12:12am

Did you make the corresponding edit on his Wikipedia and 24 Wiki profiles? Because they had (until I myself saw the FOX page) previously listed him as "Unknown."

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-01-22 09:35pm

Hoping that this don't as necro...

... but while I found Jack's time in the wilderness a bit short, nice surprise involving Graham there...

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2007-01-22 10:00pm

Christ, they are really laying it on this year. The head of the Bluetooth gang was Jack's brother?

Elessar · Post by **Elessar** » 2007-01-22 11:01pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Christ, they are really laying it on this year. The head of the Bluetooth gang was Jack's brother?

That's what it looks like...

What a great ending. Bluetooth boy getting his just desserts. =D

Mr. T · Post by **Mr. T** » 2007-01-22 11:19pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Christ, they are really laying it on this year. The head of the Bluetooth gang was Jack's brother?

Although it's kind of soap opera-ish, it makes sense in a way. He's just rebelling against always having had to be the nerd compared to his cooler brother Jack, toss in the fact that Jack appeared to hav been scoring with his wife, and it's chaos

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2007-01-22 11:21pm

Jason von Evil wrote:And there was some dumbass on MSNBC saying that the whole nuke thing was right-wing warmongering by Fox.

The creator of 24 gave money to Santorum's campaign & supports the use of torture in the 'war on terror', a belief that's certainly out across in the series. It's also undeniable that the complex machinations and incredible resource base of terrorists in the series fit's in with how some of those on the right seem to see the world and Jack's methods of dealing with the threat are pretty much a freepers wet dream, I even recall seeing some neo-con on Bill Maher's show saying he thought Jack Bauer should be in charge of the CIA (or some kind of similar post).

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2007-01-23 01:00am

Zephram Cochrane is Jack's dad. Damn.

Though when Jack's brother said he swore on his family's lives, his expression after just screamed "Oh shit! I shouldn't have given him any ideas."

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2007-01-23 01:01am

Plekhanov wrote:
Jason von Evil wrote:And there was some dumbass on MSNBC saying that the whole nuke thing was right-wing warmongering by Fox.
The creator of 24 gave money to Santorum's campaign & supports the use of torture in the 'war on terror', a belief that's certainly out across in the series. It's also undeniable that the complex machinations and incredible resource base of terrorists in the series fit's in with how some of those on the right seem to see the world and Jack's methods of dealing with the threat are pretty much a freepers wet dream, I even recall seeing some neo-con on Bill Maher's show saying he thought Jack Bauer should be in charge of the CIA (or some kind of similar post).

Incidentally, Kiefer Sutherland hates guns and torture.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2007-01-23 05:38am

Jack Bauer wrote:Incidentally, Kiefer Sutherland hates guns and torture.

As much as he hates Christmas trees?

JLTucker · Post by **JLTucker** » 2007-01-23 07:01pm

I knew I had seen Jack's brother's wife before. She is a character in Heroes.

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2007-01-23 07:21pm

JLTucker wrote:I knew I had seen Jack's brother's wife before. She is a character in Heroes.

Yup, she's Nathan Petrelli's disabled wheelchair-confined wife.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2007-01-23 08:17pm

So what is it with Jack and love triangles? First Nina and Terri, now he and his brother with his brother's wife.

And Graham is right, Jack can't just walk into a room and get along can he?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2007-01-23 11:29pm

Who wants to bet that the blonde kid is in fact Jack's son and not Graham's at all.