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http://www.aclu.org/action/marriage107.html

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Into the U.S. Constitution!
The Alliance for Marriage, a newly formed coalition of religious groups, has launched a campaign to amend the U.S. Constitution to define marriage as strictly between a man and a woman, invalidate all state and local domestic partnership laws and nullify civil rights protections based on marital status. Representative Ronnie Shows (D-MS) has advanced their goal by introducing H.J. Res. 93, the "Federal Marriage Amendment."

In many states, unmarried persons -- including unmarried relatives, heterosexual couples, gay and lesbian couples and even unrelated clergy members -- have some of the same rights as married persons. The proposed amendment would eliminate these protections by nullifying domestic partnership laws in eight states and in more than 100 counties, cities and towns. The proposal would also undermine state adoption, foster care and kinship care laws. If enacted, the amendment would even prohibit state and local governments from making their own decisions on providing benefits to their employees.

The Federal Marriage Amendment would wipe out every single law protecting nontraditional families no matter what their sexual orientation.


Oppose the Federal Marriage Amendment!
This amendment would invalidate all legal protections for unmarried couples -- gay or straight.
By denying unmarried persons all legal protections for any of the "legal incidents" of marriage, the amendment would destroy a wide range of other rights that are important to the lives of unmarried persons. Those legal protections include state and local civil rights laws prohibiting discrimination based on "marital status," state laws protecting unmarried elderly couples who refrain from marrying in order to hold on to their pensions, and even state laws allowing a person, in the absence of a spouse, to oppose the autopsy of a close friend because of the deceased person's religious beliefs.

Amending the Constitution is an extreme act.
The first sentence of the proposed constitutional amendment would bar all same-sex marriages. However, gay and lesbian couples cannot now marry anywhere in the United States. Moreover, Congress already enacted the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, which was an earlier response to the fear of same-sex marriages that have never been recognized.

The Federal Marriage Amendment would reverse the constitutional tradition of protecting, not harming, individual freedoms.
None of the current constitutional amendments restricts individual freedoms. In fact, the amendments to the Constitution have been the source of most of the Constitution's protections for individual liberty rights. The proposed amendment, by contrast, would deny all protection for the most personal decisions made by millions of families.



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Ironic there ey Alyrium?

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So lemme get this straight (no pun intended)

You, a homosexual, want to prevent homosexual weddings? Okie....

Personally, I'm not actively supportive of it, but I don't mind at all. Marriage is an institution common to many religions not related to Christianity at all, and the whole "sanctitiy of marriage" excuse used to prevent homosexual marriages is pure right wing homophobic arbitrary bullshit. Hell, marriage hardly has any real basis in religion anymore. I say, why the fuck not? and if you have a problem with it....

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RayCav of ASVS wrote:So lemme get this straight (no pun intended)

You, a homosexual, want to prevent homosexual weddings? Okie....
Who the hell are you talking to? Alyrium opposes the bill.
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Marriage is not about sex.....it's about having KIDS.....LEGIMITATE HEIRS.

Can homos have kids? FUCK NO!

If you want to get laid, just do a damn one night stand.
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Andrew J. wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:So lemme get this straight (no pun intended)

You, a homosexual, want to prevent homosexual weddings? Okie....
Who the hell are you talking to? Alyrium opposes the bill.
I thought the bill was IN FAVOR of homosexual weddings, my bad :P
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MKSheppard wrote:Marriage is not about sex.....it's about having KIDS.....LEGIMITATE HEIRS.
It is possible to get married and not have kids. Therefore, your definition is obviously invalid. Try again, Shep.
Can homos have kids? FUCK NO!
Neither can heteros with reproductive dysfunctions. So what?
If you want to get laid, just do a damn one night stand.
And suppose someone wants a long-term relationship instead? Your unrepentant knee-jerk right-wing intolerance never fails to amaze me, Shep.
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Neither can heteros with reproductive dysfunctions. So what?
However, homosexual couples are categorically unable to naturally reproduce. The majority of Heterosexuals are capable of natural reproduction.
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RayCav of ASVS wrote:
I thought the bill was IN FAVOR of homosexual weddings, my bad :P
As punishment for your poor reading comprehension, you must do the Chicken Dance! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Who wants to bet that this has at least something to do with the push to legalize same-sex marriages in Canada? One after another, courts here are declaring "only one man and one woman = marriage" discriminatory.
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So just because we cant reproduce means we are not entitled to the same legal protections that hetero couples are? We pay the same taxes, and many times we cant get health insurance from our workplaces because we arent "married" but we ant get it through medicade because we are treated as "married" do you see the problem there?
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As punishment for your poor reading comprehension, you must do the Chicken Dance! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Doing the chicken dance isnt punishment its fun(to much octoberfest in german club)

*turns on music and does the chicken dance* :P
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Darth Wong wrote:Your unrepentant knee-jerk right-wing intolerance never fails to amaze me, Shep.
Ah, but when you're confronted by faggotry in it's basest forms here:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ht=immoral

you go:
Darth Wong wrote: I'm not so sure that it's immoral, but it's certainly fuckin' disgusting . The worst thing about it is that you have no idea who did it; it could have been some guy who sat next to you on the bus.
That's an awfully INTOLERANT attitude to take against some poor
liberated Faggot.

Oh sure, everyone is willing to pay lip service to homosexuality, but when
they get confronted by GRAPHIC evidence of faggotry, their eyeballs fall
out and they promptly puke their guts out.

In Summary:

I don't like homos, and they don't like me. and I'm perfectly happy with
that arrangement.
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Falkenhorst wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Neither can heteros with reproductive dysfunctions. So what?
However, homosexual couples are categorically unable to naturally reproduce. The majority of Heterosexuals are capable of natural reproduction.
So what? Who cares whether there is a "categorical" reproduction problem or an individual reproduction problem? Why does that have any bearing on the question of whether marriage is invalidated without the possibility of natural reproduction?

You are merely looking for excuses to maintain a differentiation.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Doing the chicken dance isnt punishment its fun(to much octoberfest in german club)

*turns on music and does the chicken dance* :P

...

It takes all kinds, I guess...
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Shep, shut the fuck up

I am gay and even I thought that was sick. The photos had to have been faked as well simply because a penis that large would have impeded the guys survival(that ans he would be unable to find pants that fit him :D )
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MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Your unrepentant knee-jerk right-wing intolerance never fails to amaze me, Shep.
Ah, but when you're confronted by faggotry in it's basest forms here:
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... ht=immoral
What does that have to do with homosexuals? I don't want to see someone's exposed colon no matter whether it's a gay or straight male or female. It's disgusting. Get it?
you go:
Darth Wong wrote: I'm not so sure that it's immoral, but it's certainly fuckin' disgusting . The worst thing about it is that you have no idea who did it; it could have been some guy who sat next to you on the bus.
That's an awfully INTOLERANT attitude to take against some poor
liberated Faggot.
No, it's a perfectly natural reaction to seeing the inside of someone's colon. It has nothing to do with homosexuality; that picture could be of a straight man for all we know.
Oh sure, everyone is willing to pay lip service to homosexuality, but when they get confronted by GRAPHIC evidence of faggotry, their eyeballs fall out and they promptly puke their guts out.
No, you are assuming that the revulsion was due to your presumption that the man is homosexual, and not the fact that he is exposing the inner flesh of his colon.
In Summary:

I don't like homos, and they don't like me. and I'm perfectly happy with
that arrangement.
Then you should be perfectly happy with my completely accurate description of you as a knee-jerk intolerant right-wing homophobe.
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Darth Wong wrote: No, you are assuming that the revulsion was due to your presumption that the man is homosexual, and not the fact that he is exposing the inner flesh of his colon.
And what the hell do you think a fag's ass looks like after he's just got
through playing the submissive partner?
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MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: No, you are assuming that the revulsion was due to your presumption that the man is homosexual, and not the fact that he is exposing the inner flesh of his colon.
And what the hell do you think a fag's ass looks like after he's just got
through playing the submissive partner?
Is that what your ass looked like after 9 months in jail?

I may not be as familiar with men's asses as you, but I know what a woman's ass looks like after she just took one in the rear entrance, and it doesn't look like that. That was just plain fucking disgusting, and it has nothing to do with anal sex. Heteros can have anal sex too; did you think of that?
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Unless an elephant was his partner, not like that.
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Darth Wong wrote: Is that what your ass looked like after 9 months in jail?
Actually, they were more scared that a white boy had the guts to call them niggers to their faces......with the guards nowhere in sight. It's the weaklings
who end up playing pound-me-up-the-ass in prisons. And yes, I did carry
a shiv with me at all times, and I was prepared to use it.

Besides, the homo movement conviently never tells you what happens
to the QUEENS, who end up shitting in diapers for the rest of their days,
or the other exotic dieases that end up infesting homos, due to anal
sex being several times more conductive to infectious diseases compared
to straight sex.
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So just because we cant reproduce means we are not entitled to the same legal protections that hetero couples are? We pay the same taxes, and many times we cant get health insurance from our workplaces because we arent "married" but we ant get it through medicade because we are treated as "married" do you see the problem there?
I didn't say that, even though it may be true. What I said is that to me, the purpose of two-party marital unions is to produce offspring. I obviously don't share your priorities because when I think about a girl, my primary concern is her physical and mental fitness to bear my children. It does not make sense to me for two men to marry or live together, for whatever reason, because they are not fulfilling the one purpose of that union as it makes sense to me: producing offspring.

As I see it, marriage is a means to an end, that end being establishing a family line including several male Heirs to carry on the family name, and several female children who will marry into other families to bring them into the extended family.
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Falkenhorst wrote: I didn't say that, even though it may be true. What I said is that to me, the purpose of two-party marital unions is to produce offspring. I obviously don't share your priorities because when I think about a girl, my primary concern is her physical and mental fitness to bear my children. It does not make sense to me for two men to marry or live together, for whatever reason, because they are not fulfilling the one purpose of that union as it makes sense to me: producing offspring.
Lets not get started on the Bestiality nutcases. Sooner or later, some sick
fuck will try and use Homo Marriages to try and legalize marrying his
dog.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: Is that what your ass looked like after 9 months in jail?
Actually, they were more scared that a white boy had the guts to call them niggers to their faces......with the guards nowhere in sight. It's the weaklings who end up playing pound-me-up-the-ass in prisons. And yes, I did carry a shiv with me at all times, and I was prepared to use it.
Yeah, yeah, you're the big Mr. Tough Guy. Please, by all means, brag about your toughness some more.
Besides, the homo movement conviently never tells you what happens to the QUEENS, who end up shitting in diapers for the rest of their days, or the other exotic dieases that end up infesting homos, due to anal sex being several times more conductive to infectious diseases compared to straight sex.
I see your knowledge of medicine is drawn from the same deep well of ignorance that the rest of the homophobic community uses. Homosexuals do not "shit in diapers for the rest of their days". The sphincter is no more damaged by anal sex than it is by taking a dump, and there are both men and women who have taken it up the dumper hundreds or thousands of times without any injury to their sphincters.

As for anal sex being more conducive to disease transmission, that may be possible, although I'm curious as to the basis of this claim. However, it is irrelevant if the other person is not infected, and if the other person is infected, then straight sex would inevitably transmit the disease sooner or later too, so this has no bearing on anything. The rampant AIDS situation in Africa puts the lie to the long-term homophobic claim that homosexuality is somehow intrinsic to AIDS transmission.
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Darth Wong wrote:The rampant AIDS situation in Africa puts the lie to the long-term homophobic claim that homosexuality is somehow intrinsic to AIDS transmission.
Oh, what about the rampant Straight AIDS situation in the West? Oh wait....it
never actually HAPPENED, except for a few cases of blood transfusion. GRID
in the West is strictly a Homo disease.

Promiscurity does ya in every time, and why is it that the homo community
tries to cover this up?
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