SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-08-30 12:12pm

SiegeTank wrote:We'd be more than happy to host the launch facilities. Despite our reputation, San Dorado is actually really a quite safe place to operate out of... Most of the time .

Well even if you don't get the FASTA contract I'd think San Dorado would be the place to launch FTO satelites.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-08-30 12:35pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shroomania is closer. The equator actually bisects the IRT. Um... maybe somewhere in Arabia would be good too. San Dorado is also on the table.

Arabia will have a major military base to protect it soon.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-08-30 12:57pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shroomania is closer. The equator actually bisects the IRT. Um... maybe somewhere in Arabia would be good too. San Dorado is also on the table.
Arabia will have a major military base to protect it soon.

And we can always supply additional security forces if need be. I am in favour of this location.

It is closer and a lot more secure then San Dorado, and we can protect it a lot better. Also I believe delivery of the various things needed for the launch site will be a lot easier if it is on the Old Continent.

Also: I think the border regions have been too peaceful lately, perhaps it is the quiet before the storm.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-08-30 01:05pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Damn it! With me out of the picture for two weeks, man...

I would've so ruled that naming contest.

Thank God for small favors.

ANyway, as usual my weekend time will be very limited. SO let's see if we can avoid major incidents when I'm offline?

I know it'll be a first, but it's worth a shot.

If something happens, I'll let Steve RP me for the Velestria area of operations (since we're basically operating hand-in-hand there anyway) and Coyote anywhere else. Just for today and tomorrow, really.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-08-30 01:54pm

This had to happen eventually.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-30 02:13pm

Raj Ahten wrote:Well even if you don't get the FASTA contract I'd think San Dorado would be the place to launch FTO satelites.

Sweet. Well, we should get the FTO conference underway to talk about this and the other points -- who was hosting it again, and where? The President can fly from Farbanti right to wherever we're holding it.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-08-30 02:18pm

Götterdämmerung der Über Chechnyanmensch!

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-08-30 02:39pm

DarthShady wrote:This had to happen eventually.

If the USSR so wish, two Roman Legions are ready to march into Zagor to give them a collective kick to the arse.

Roma Victor!

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-08-30 02:43pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
DarthShady wrote:This had to happen eventually.
If the USSR so wish, two Roman Legions are ready to march into Zagor to give them a collective kick to the arse.

Roma Victor!

Of course, we shall coordinate with our allies and crush these upstarts. In the meanwhile the USSR will welcome your forces within our territory.( you can land your planes as well, this goes for all SNC members)

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-08-30 02:45pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Master_Baerne wrote:Does the ISCA still exist in any form?
We haven't gotten around to do that.

I didn't think so, Shrooms OOB just said that he was part of it, so I clarified. Thanks.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-08-30 02:57pm

SiegeTank
Two things, can you mark on a map where you landed forces, because I think I have a settlement in that area, also the conference will be held on Sheoth Isle in The Vineyards.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-08-30 03:00pm

DarthShady wrote:Of course, we shall coordinate with our allies and crush these upstarts. In the meanwhile the USSR will welcome your forces within our territory.( you can land your planes as well, this goes for all SNC members)

Forces are now in transit. Give us a target, we will simply pound them into submission.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-30 03:06pm

Karmic Knight wrote:SiegeTank
Two things, can you mark on a map where you landed forces, because I think I have a settlement in that area.

Also the conference will be held on Sheoth Isle in The Vineyards.

Alright; I'm on my way there then.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-08-30 03:11pm

SiegeTank wrote:.

Well, you'll be dealing with my Settlement right near there, just on the other side of the river.

I also have ships patrolling the area, just so you know.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-08-30 03:31pm

Karmic Knight wrote:Well, you'll be dealing with my Settlement right near there, just on the other side of the river.

I also have ships patrolling the area, just so you know.

Oh, that's perfectly alright. There's plenty of jungle for the both of us

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Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-08-30 04:40pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hrm... damn it. We need a location as close to the equator as possible.

Japanistan straddles the equator and would be happy to provide land to host an international space launch complex for peaceful purposes

How close in NASA's Florida launch site to the equator? Will Comona or San Dorado or Jerusalem be as close?

It’s a good 1800 miles too far north, north of the tropic of cancer in fact. Baikonur is even worse.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-08-30 04:46pm

due to your position, Shroom, Comona is about perfect.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-08-30 05:02pm

Assuming that this world like Earth in terms of its inclination, here are the five major circles of latitude:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:I say we get to do our civilian and scientific launches in the IRT. Our military stuff can be done somewhere more... trustworthy.

Civilian launches will prove much more useful and profitable in the long run, so we have no issue with that.

Our IRT collaboration will probably make the Tonkinese like us some more - and then we can buy REAL ballistic missiles from them and shit. We might become their biggest customers! If they can sell to Shep and Lonestar, they can sell to us!

We'll sell to you anyways, but we can offer incentives for basing your civil and scientific launches in the IRT.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The Byzantine Empire and the CSR will quite likely object to overfraternisation with the enemy.

We're the enemy?

Here I am offering a tailor-made launch site with launch kinematics better than anywhere save Japanistan or Velestria and you just have to insult the IRT

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-30 05:07pm

Goddammit, why does this have to be a political decision?

On another note, PeZookia reacts to Zagor agression. By bombing the shit out of people.

I can only wonder what happens once Byzantine heavy forces enter the place

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-08-30 05:25pm

Where are Zagor and this other state they're fighting?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-30 05:28pm

Czechmate wrote:Where are Zagor and this other state they're fighting?

In the Border States.

Marina should be posting an updated official map with a blowup of the Border States quite soon.

EDIT: As a clarification, the Border States are between PeZookia, the CSR and the USSR, on the Old Continent.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-08-30 05:31pm

Czechmate wrote:Where are Zagor and this other state they're fighting?

Old Continent, in between the USSR and PeZook, or Byzantine, or the CSR, I don't quite remember.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-08-30 05:41pm

You know, for those guys who are signing the continental defense pact; may I suggest you give up on your plans for mega buck purchases for the near future?

No more buying F-22s for a bit....because now you have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to integrate 5-6 totally different IADS, and five different air forces so they can hand off datalinking to each other.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-08-30 05:58pm

MKSheppard wrote:You know, for those guys who are signing the continental defense pact; may I suggest you give up on your plans for mega buck purchases for the near future?

No more buying F-22s for a bit....because now you have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to integrate 5-6 totally different IADS, and five different air forces so they can hand off datalinking to each other.

I was thinking of this, and my idea (which I admit I have yet to bring up with the others) is that most of the changes would be procedural ones, at least for now. Things like "you guys handle high-altitude intercept coming from this direction; I'll handle it coming from this direction, etc... basically, just sharing radio freqs, coordinating efforts so we don't double up in one region and leave another undefended, and train together, etc.

I don't think we'd ever truly have fully-integrated weapons systems (all F-22s, all T-80s, etc) since most of us have very specific ideas and doctrines for our armed forces.

But we can, for example, just arrange things so we don't step on each others' toes, and share, say, interlocking fields of fire & intercept for our ground-based missiles, agree to transmit data on overflying aircraft, and th elike.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-08-30 06:00pm

MKSheppard wrote:No more buying F-22s for a bit....because now you have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to integrate 5-6 totally different IADS, and five different air forces so they can hand off datalinking to each other.

And, frankly, that'll provide much, much greater return-on-investment than just purchasing a bunch of shiny new airplanes. For everyone attempting to defend against the SHEPISTAN SPECIAL STRATEGIC SUPER STRATOJET SWARM, do you really need Raptors?

To quote an expert in the field (emphasis mine)

Stuart wrote:A curious thing about these systems is that, when they are subject to systems analysis, it becomes obvious that dramatic improvements in capabilities of one system component are virtually meaningless unless matched throughout the system. On the other hand, small, incremental improvements replicated throughout the air defense system can have a dramatic effect on capability. This is particularly true of communications - so much communicating goes on that even a small increase in its efficinecy significantly upgrades the system as a whole.

Everyone wants shiny new missiles and new aircraft - when a shiny new common continental air-defense communications network would be much better. Oh, and it'll cost a lot. General Statics-Dynamics is ready to contract!