[Barton]The Federation is NOT Communist.

[Darth Wong]

The unknown Vulcan master has the concept of investing in “mediation lamps” and bump up the price IF the customers are SF officers. There’s still investment into items and investment returns activities.

I suggest you do some research on "widespread unprosecuted black-market activities under former Soviet regime" or "rubles" before you proceed with this idiotic notion that something like this proves that the Federation is capitalist. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE ABSENCE OF SALESMEN AND FORMAL INVESTMENT in the TNG era?

[Soontir C'boath]

A Vulcan that is non-Federation would be defined as Romulan (same species).

I'm afraid I'm going to have to dispute that. A Romulan is one of the Vulcan race who rejected logic to continue their violent ways, and left to found Romulus. The term Romulan refers to those specific people, not every Vulcan living outside the Federation.

Are you defining, an Amercian living outside USA is now defined as non-American citizen?

Romulans and Vulcans share ancestry one time, but they now occupy their own planets and/or systems. The Romulan Star Empire is its own entity while Vulcan is part of the Federation. Thus, Romulans were never part of the Federation in the first place and your analogy is flawed.

[Barton]

Both ST:4 and ST:8 has “no money” statements while ST:5 has federal investment bank advertisements (1).

"No money" could simply mean that they've made cash obsolete, which appears to have happened in the TOS era.

Yet in ST:5 you have investment banks (Federation Federal).

But in the TNG era, they do not understand the concepts of investment or even salesmen; pretty strange if they're still capitalist. Capitalism without salesmen is like militarism without soldiers.

Refer to Captain Sisko’s dad as the salesman/shopkeeper for Sisko family restaurant.

[Darth Wong]

Both ST:4 and ST:8 has “no money” statements while ST:5 has federal investment bank advertisements (1).

"No money" could simply mean that they've made cash obsolete, which appears to have happened in the TOS era.

Yet in ST:5 you have investment banks (Federation Federal).

Your inability to comprehend the "TOS and TNG are different eras" concept seems quite stubbornly resistant to correction.

But in the TNG era, they do not understand the concepts of investment or even salesmen; pretty strange if they're still capitalist. Capitalism without salesmen is like militarism without soldiers.

Refer to Captain Sisko’s dad as the salesman/shopkeeper for Sisko family restaurant.

Shopkeeper, not salesman. Where are his advertisements? Where are his flyers? Where are his promotional campaigns? For the THIRD time, why did Janeway find the concept of a salesman to be totally alien to her experience? How many times will I have to mention that before you acknowledge it?

[Barton]

"No money" could simply mean that they've made cash obsolete, which appears to have happened in the TOS era.

Yet in ST:5 you have investment banks (Federation Federal).

Your inability to comprehend the "TOS and TNG are different eras" concept seems quite stubbornly resistant to correction.

But in the TNG era, they do not understand the concepts of investment or even salesmen; pretty strange if they're still capitalist. Capitalism without salesmen is like militarism without soldiers.

Refer to Captain Sisko’s dad as the salesman/shopkeeper for Sisko family restaurant.

Shopkeeper, not salesman. Where are his advertisements? Where are his flyers? Where are his promotional campaigns? For the THIRD time, why did Janeway find the concept of a salesman to be totally alien to her experience? How many times will I have to mention that before you acknowledge it?

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

[Darth Wong]

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

He has a sign therefore there's marketing? Sorry, that's not marketing. And for the FOURTH time, why did Janeway find the concept of salesmen to be totally alien? I'm starting to get fed up with your refusal to address that point.

[Soontir C'boath]

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

That is not a form of advertisement. That is giving a name and description to the location.
It's like calling the sign in front of the Museum of Natural History, a barbershop, Post Office, etc a form of advertisement which is wrong considering that advertisements are meant to be spread to other places to attract the customer base to bring them there.

[Rogue 9]

A Vulcan that is non-Federation would be defined as Romulan (same species).

I'm afraid I'm going to have to dispute that. A Romulan is one of the Vulcan race who rejected logic to continue their violent ways, and left to found Romulus. The term Romulan refers to those specific people, not every Vulcan living outside the Federation.

Are you defining, an Amercian living outside USA is now defined as non-American citizen?

Erm... No. You were, when you said that Vulcans living outside the Federation have to be Romulan.

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

He has a sign therefore there's marketing? Sorry, that's not marketing. And for the FOURTH time, why did Janeway find the concept of salesmen to be totally alien? I'm starting to get fed up with your refusal to address that point.

Well..... it is an established fact that Janeway is a fucking moron.

[Barton]

"No money" could simply mean that they've made cash obsolete, which appears to have happened in the TOS era.

Yet in ST:5 you have investment banks (Federation Federal).

Your inability to comprehend the "TOS and TNG are different eras" concept seems quite stubbornly resistant to correction.

But in the TNG era, they do not understand the concepts of investment or even salesmen; pretty strange if they're still capitalist. Capitalism without salesmen is like militarism without soldiers.

Refer to Captain Sisko’s dad as the salesman/shopkeeper for Sisko family restaurant.

Shopkeeper, not salesman.

A shopkeeper still has to sell thier products and services.

Using Microsoft Thesaurus XP

Shopkeeper
-> retailer
-> storekeeper
-> seller
-> salesperson
-> merchant
-> trader

PS; “Salesman” is not PC (Politically Correct) these days i.e. substitute with “salesperson”.

[Darth Wong]

A shopkeeper still has to sell thier products and services.

Using Microsoft Thesaurus XP

Shopkeeper
-> retailer
-> storekeeper
-> seller
-> salesperson
-> merchant
-> trader

PS; “Salesman” is not PC (Politically Correct) these days i.e. substitute with “salesperson”.

Pedantic nitpickery bullshit. Not once have we ever seen him trying to think up ways to draw in more customers to his restaurant, which is what an actual salesman would be doing. And for the FIFTH TIME, why did Janeway find the concept of a salesman to be so absurd and alien? Gonna answer that point any time soon, shithead?

[Barton]

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

He has a sign therefore there's marketing? Sorry, that's not marketing. And for the FOURTH time, why did Janeway find the concept of salesmen to be totally alien? I'm starting to get fed up with your refusal to address that point.

Putting a sign is a minimalist form of marketing.

[Darth Wong]

Your idiotic one-liners are starting to seriously get on my nerves. You are obviously a troll, so answer my point about Janeway in the next five minutes or you're history.

[Barton]

A shopkeeper still has to sell thier products and services.

Using Microsoft Thesaurus XP

Shopkeeper
-> retailer
-> storekeeper
-> seller
-> salesperson
-> merchant
-> trader

PS; “Salesman” is not PC (Politically Correct) these days i.e. substitute with “salesperson”.

Pedantic nitpickery bullshit. Not once have we ever seen him trying to think up ways to draw in more customers to his restaurant,

JAKE
There's hardly anyone out on the
street. You're not going to have
any customers.

JOSEPH
I've got plenty of customers.
Just look outside.

JAKE
All I see are security officers.

JOSEPH
And I bet not one of them's had a
good meal in four days. Now do
your grandfather a favor... and
start chopping the okra.

[AdmiralKanos]

The existence of customers does not prove the existence of marketing or investment, moron. What part of "Marxism did not prohibit this" did you not understand, fucktard? And do you think anyone will sympathize with you when you get the banstick shoved up your ass for consistently IGNORING the point I keep shoving in front of your nose about salesmen:

They'd studied about salesmen in school, about the time in Earth's history when people actually tried to talk people into acquiring things they didn't need, just to make money. It sounded so bizarre that she wouldn't have believed it if she hadn't studied the era and seen examples of the persuasive techniques such people used.

You're history, asshole.

The stench of troll was strong with this one.

[Praxis]

Large Sisko Restaurant sign is outside the restaurant.

He has a sign therefore there's marketing? Sorry, that's not marketing. And for the FOURTH time, why did Janeway find the concept of salesmen to be totally alien? I'm starting to get fed up with your refusal to address that point.

Putting a sign is a minimalist form of marketing.

No, the sign just says, "Hey, if you were looking for my resteraunt, it's here, not down the block." It's not necessarily marketing. Remember, Sisko REFUSED to allow Quark to broadcast advertisements, since the Federation doesn't use advertisements?

Using Microsoft Thesaurus XP

Ah, shoulda known. You probably LIKE using Microsoft products, don't you...

[Praxis]

A shopkeeper still has to sell thier products and services.

Using Microsoft Thesaurus XP

Shopkeeper
-> retailer
-> storekeeper
-> seller
-> salesperson
-> merchant
-> trader

PS; “Salesman” is not PC (Politically Correct) these days i.e. substitute with “salesperson”.

Pedantic nitpickery bullshit. Not once have we ever seen him trying to think up ways to draw in more customers to his restaurant,

JAKE
There's hardly anyone out on the
street. You're not going to have
any customers.

JOSEPH
I've got plenty of customers.
Just look outside.

JAKE
All I see are security officers.

JOSEPH
And I bet not one of them's had a
good meal in four days. Now do
your grandfather a favor... and
start chopping the okra.

So:
Jake comments that there's no one on the streets, therefore no customers.
Joseph tells him to go chop okra.
Therefore the Federation is not communist.

WOW! BRILLIANT LOGIC!

[Praxis]

Oh, and I highly suggest that you respond to Mike Wong's post about Janeway before you get spanked. Again.

[Soontir C'boath]

why did Janeway find the concept of a salesman to be so absurd and alien? Gonna answer that point any time soon, shithead?

Did you get that from the Jeri Taylor quote?
It reads more like a person who didn't study the practice of business would find it very bizarre but for those who did (Janeway) would "believe" it had been a common practice.

*snip*

I believe he's gone so it would be futile.

[Rogue 9]

Oh, and I highly suggest that you respond to Mike Wong's post about Janeway before you get spanked. Again.

Too late.

[Guardsman Bass]

Oh, and I highly suggest that you respond to Mike Wong's post about Janeway before you get spanked. Again.

Too late.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

He's already been gone for more than 15 minutes.

[AdmiralKanos]

why did Janeway find the concept of a salesman to be so absurd and alien? Gonna answer that point any time soon, shithead?

Did you get that from the Jeri Taylor quote?
It reads more like a person who didn't study the practice of business would find it very bizarre but for those who did (Janeway) would "believe" it had been a common practice.

Two things:

1) It's not relevant to Barton, who refused to address the reference at all, or even acknowledge its existence. That's clear troll behaviour.
2) The quote talks about "the time in Earth's history when people actually tried to talk people into acquiring things they didn't need, just to make money". That pretty clearly states that it's part of the past, not the present.

[Soontir C'boath]

Two things:
1) It's not relevant to Barton, who refused to address the reference at all, or even acknowledge its existence. That's clear troll behaviour.
2) The quote talks about "the time in Earth's history when people actually tried to talk people into acquiring things they didn't need, just to make money". That pretty clearly states that it's part of the past, not the present.

Ah yes, I meshed them together. Silly me.

[Master of Ossus]

Good GOD! That guy was a fuckwad. Oh, well. Good riddance.