Who can stand up to the Jedi?

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 03:26pm

The Jedi, with their lightsabers, Force abilities from mind tricks to precognition to telekinesis, etc, can be obnoxiously powerful.

The question is - who / what warriors and from what sci-fi universe can defeat them or fight them to a stand-still or even can come close? We know about the Sith of course, naturally they don't count.

Beings like the Q are disqualified. Snapping your fingers and making the Jedi turn into an earthworm don't count.

Maybe the Draka from Drakon - but I really doubt it. No, nevermind, not them...

Manji · Post by **Manji** » 2002-07-27 03:33pm

An Alabama hick with a 12 gage.

Half-inch lightsaber vs three/four/five/six/etc inch spread = dead Jedi.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 03:37pm

::laugh::

Wait, the telekinetic shield that a Jedi can bring up and - wait, there wasn't any evidence of that in the movies was there, a telekinetic shield?

Okay, fair enough. Addition to the question. Also who can stand up to a Sith Lord?

Vader waves a hand and Alabama hick puts shotgun into his mouth and boom.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-07-27 03:44pm

A Fifth Imperium marine. They've got warp guns, which project a cylindrical hyper field and translate whatever they hit into hyperspace; grav guns, which fire small darts made of a chemical explosive denser than uranium at 5 km/s and have several hundred round magazines; energy guns, which fire a thin beam of intense gravity that tears apart whatever it hits. They have reaction times 3 times higher, physical strength 8 times higher, and a skeletal/muscular/circulatory system 11 times stronger, than that of a baseline human. That's naked, with power armor they are far tougher.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 03:53pm

Fifth Imperium Marine? From what/where? I ask b/c I've never heard about 'em...

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-07-27 04:01pm

They're from the Dahak/Imperium series by David Weber. The books are Mutineer's Moon, The Armageddon Inheritance, and Heirs of Empire, in that order. Mutineer's Moon can be read here.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 05:21pm

Manji wrote:An Alabama hick with a 12 gage.

Half-inch lightsaber vs three/four/five/six/etc inch spread = dead Jedi.

No, Jedi can absorb physical weapons fire as well, and I think they can telekinetically stop slug throwers.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 05:24pm

PERHAPS a wizard from D&D? Do they qualify? A vorlon might be able to do it. Other than those, I don't know. A Baalrog?

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 05:49pm

Well, I really wasn't going for the Fantasy angle, since magic is... Well, magic is rather like the Force.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 06:21pm

Problem is.... I don't know of anything else that COULD stand up to Jedi. Their abilities to alter people's minds, and their martial abilities are incredible. Only the Vorlons would stand a chance, AFIK

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-07-27 06:36pm

Beings made out of energy would have a good chance,

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 06:54pm

Omega-13 wrote:Beings made out of energy would have a good chance,

Yeah, but most of them are considered omnipotent and don't qualify (they're like Q). That's why I think a Vorlon could do it, you're right, though.

Moonstone Spider · Post by **Moonstone Spider** » 2002-07-27 07:16pm

Some Amberites could do it, certainly Benedict, Merlin, or probably Corwin could. Random could if you give him the Jewel of Judgement, or Brand after going through the Fountain.

Just about any comic character, Flash could kill the Jedi before he got his lightsaber out, Superman could burn him to a cinder from orbit, (or same speed trick) Spider Man's spider sense is equal to force-precog and he's so fast he can keep up with Yoda, one punch and the Jedi's face is in 12 different parts of the room. Spider man would be at least a very close fight.

Batman would make some thingamajig in his spare time between building time machines and trying to figure out the Riddler's Puzzles that causes Jedi to dissolve.

Of course anybody from Dragon-Ball Z.

Ryoko, Washu, or Tenchi. Maybe Aeka, maybe not. Possibly Mihoshi.

Possibly Aesha Clan-Clan. Definetly Twilight Suzuka even if she does use a wooden sword. Definetly Gene with the fancy Caster-Shells. Probably most members of the Onten 7.

Any member of Phule's Company except their butler. Can you say "Rolling Thunder Belt-Fed Automatic Shotgun?"

Most members of the Schlock Mercenary team with their equipment.
Few without all their gear.

Force mind-control is overrated. It's failed against a lot of foes and they rarely use it, and never in combat. It only works on the weak minded (ie non-character shielded ones).

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 07:24pm

Force mind-control has been used in combat. The Emperor, Joruus C'Boath, and Kyle Katarn have all used it.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-27 07:32pm

1. Any US Marine with a M-16 and Attached Gernade Launcher and Ysarmsiy

Connan! Dumb luck of course coming into play agian

Bascily most AOE attackers could do the job

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-07-27 07:47pm

Ysarmsiy? Do you mean Ysalamiri?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-27 07:55pm

willburns84 wrote:::laugh::

Wait, the telekinetic shield that a Jedi can bring up and - wait, there wasn't any evidence of that in the movies was there, a telekinetic shield?

If you're going to attack my theory, at least have the courtesy to do so in the original thread.

I will reiterate my reasoning: Slug-thrower weapons are very easy to get in the SW Galaxy. The SW equivalents to the Crips and Bloods produce them in basements and garages, according the SWEGWT. So why don't people use them when fighting Jedi? If a simple machinegun or shotgun could stop them cold, how come Jango Fett didn't appropriate one on Geonosis?

The best answer is that Jedi have a defense against them, namely a telekinetic shield.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2002-07-27 07:58pm

I hate about 95% of anime.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-27 08:48pm

A possessed from the reality dysfuntion.
Lensman
Most of the Arcane backgound classes from Deadlands: Hell on Earth
Most of the classes from Rifts
Psions and Novas form white-wolfs trinity/abberant rpg.
Can't think of them all.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-07-27 09:05pm

The Killer Bunny from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 09:09pm

paladin wrote:The Killer Bunny from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."

"It is the rabbit!"

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 09:20pm

Lensmen. Ugh. They could almost be called Godlike. I completely forgot about them.

I wasn't thinking about anime, either. ::knocks self on head:: Let's not forget the Kawaii power of Sasami.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 09:28pm

Question: What is "SWEGWT"?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 09:41pm

SWEGWT is: an acronym for Star Wars Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-07-27 09:50pm

Hey you know who might have a good chance? that evil bitch from Ghost Busters with the short hair, remember her? She was at the end there, looked pretty good too
i would hardly call her omnipotent,