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Doctor Who vs The Dresden Files.

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Scenario One: The TARDIS arrives at the scene of Dresden's encounter with He Who Walks Behind. How does this effect the subsequent events of the series? The version of the Doctor in question is the Eleventh, accompanied by Amy and Rory.

Scenario Two: A Weeping Angel is in Chicago, sending people back in time. Murphy calls in Dresden to investigate. How does Dresden deal with these creatures?

Also, couldn't a wizard remember a Silence by looking at it with his Sight? And does anyone think Rory would make an excellent Knight of the Cross? Not that I think he'd take the job. He seems to want to just settle down with Amy and live a normal life.

I'm tempted to write a crossover, but I have so many other things I'm working on at the moment. :(
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Sorry for the necro, but the first Scenario sounds like a interesting little story and would really love to see Rory wield Amoracchius
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Rory may be a badass but faith is not exactly his area of expertise, well not in God at least. Maybe blind devotion to Amy counts.

As for Harry Vs Weeping Angel. Harry gets sent back in time. Then his head is chopped off by the nearest Warden for breaking the no time travel rules.
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Isn't Rory's lack of faith a part of the plot of "The God Complex"? However, you don't have to have faith to wield one of the swords (remember Sanya?). But while Rory as a wielder of a holy sword would be awesome, like I said before I doubt he'd accept the job.

I doubt being sent back by someone else counts as violating the Laws of Magic. Sure, there are people who mighttry to use it as a pretext to get rid of him, but Dresden has friends in the White Council who would support him. McCoy, at least, would definitely defend him.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I doubt being sent back by someone else counts as violating the Laws of Magic. Sure, there are people who mighttry to use it as a pretext to get rid of him, but Dresden has friends in the White Council who would support him. McCoy, at least, would definitely defend him.
Because Wardens are known for their leniency for circumstance. They would take it apon them selves to do a field execution instead of taking him to see the council.

My understanding of the swords is that you just have to be purly 'good' and not actually religious.
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Dresden wouldn't be responsible. He would have been involuntarily sent back in time. And don't the Laws of Magic deal only with time travel using black magic?

Also, I wonder what the White Council would think of the fact that the Doctor possibly was Merlin?

Source for the Doctor possibly being Merlin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_(Doctor_Who)
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The laws are the definition of black magic, to brake any of the laws is to perform black magic. Stupidly I was under the impression for my last post that the Doctor was the one who time shifted Dresden; if a weeping angel did it(non human being) then the council would probably just be made at Dresden and not kill him. Though because the purpose of the law is to stop paradoxes they still may kill him to be sure.

Was their a person who was actually named Merlin in the Dresden-verse? I thought it was just a title for the council leader.
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Yes. There was an original Merlin. He had custody of Micheal's Sword Amoracchius back in Arthurian times. When it was known by a different name.
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And he is either McCoys direct ancestor, and by extension Harrys, or is his mentor ancestor in that he trained a student who trained a student and so on down to McCoy, and again, by extension, Harry. Make of that what you will.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Isn't Rory's lack of faith a part of the plot of "The God Complex"? However, you don't have to have faith to wield one of the swords (remember Sanya?). But while Rory as a wielder of a holy sword would be awesome, like I said before I doubt he'd accept the job.
Sanya wields the Sword of Hope. The protections of the powers of the sword is typically concerned with the principles the sword represents. Sanya would likely have quite a few problems with wielding the Sword of Faith, and possibly the Sword of Love, and not breaking it. He is, however, the quintessential picture of hope through his redemption and perfect for wielding Esperacchius.

That said, I'm not sure, if I understand your description of Rory correctly, should he accept the position, he could even wield the Sword of Love without breaking it, as Michael always seemed to have a general outlook of love as opposed to focusing it on any single (group of) person(s).

Re: Merlin to McCoy, I'm not sure I'd call them ancestors yet. I think their main relationship is in the line of Blackstaffs and I'm not sure that that position is necessarily hereditary as much as it is about finding, or as you say, training, the proper person(ethically as opposed to power) for the role.
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lordofchange13 wrote:The laws are the definition of black magic, to brake any of the laws is to perform black magic. Stupidly I was under the impression for my last post that the Doctor was the one who time shifted Dresden; if a weeping angel did it(non human being) then the council would probably just be made at Dresden and not kill him. Though because the purpose of the law is to stop paradoxes they still may kill him to be sure.

Was their a person who was actually named Merlin in the Dresden-verse? I thought it was just a title for the council leader.
Would it make a difference if the Doctor sent him through time? It would still be a non-human doing it through non-magical means.

Yes, I suppose they might still kill Dresden to prevent paradoxes.

And yes, there was a Merlin. I'm not sure, but I think he was the one who created the White Council.
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The Doctor is as human as Wizards are.
Both got mystical powers long life and high durability.
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I'm not a big follower of Doctor Who, but from what I've read he's certainly not "as human" as wizards are. Wizards can, for example, interbreed with non-wizards, as evidenced by Harry's existence. I've read that Gallifreyans have a triple helical structure to their DNA-equivalent, which would, I imagine, make them incompatible with humans.

I've assumed that wizards' longevity and abilities to heal from graver injuries come from the fact that they manipulate energies all the time that normal humans don't. But this is just a theory; the fact is that they're still human.
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Yep. Wizards are human. The Doctor is an alien. A totally different species with radically different biology, including regeneration and two hearts.
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I've read that Gallifreyans have a triple helical structure to their DNA-equivalent, which would, I imagine, make them incompatible with humans.
But the Doctor is himself half-human Image
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Don't even go there :D

The Doctor is most definitely not human. Time Lords can regenerate, avoid suffocation with w "Respiritory Bypass System," survive in the vacuum of space as long as they have an air supply (no pressure suit needed), are telepathic, and oh yes, can see all of time and space.

So no, not human in the slightest. Apart from appearances. But as the Tenth Doctor points out:

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Not wanting to get too far off-topic, but isn't it canon that the Timelords used their ubertech to make most species in the Dr. Who universe look like them?
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I remember reading something similar, but I can't recall the source.
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evilsoup wrote:Not wanting to get too far off-topic, but isn't it canon that the Timelords used their ubertech to make most species in the Dr. Who universe look like them?
It was an idea from the novels. Apparently Rassilon felt that non humanoids will likely be incompatible with Time Lords, so they went to wipe them out and did some technobabble to make most life evolve humanoid. I personally think thematically the idea sucks, and logically it makes no sense, considering some of the non humanoids already in existence were so different from the TL its very unlikely they would compete for the same resources. But the Time Wars did have an epic feel to them, so I can sort of overlook that.
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Alkaloid wrote:And he is either McCoys direct ancestor, and by extension Harrys, or is his mentor ancestor in that he trained a student who trained a student and so on down to McCoy, and again, by extension, Harry. Make of that what you will.
Turn Coat mentions that McCoy has the journals of his master, his master's master, etc., and that the very first journals in the line were penned by none other than the original Merlin himself. Ergo, it can be inferred that Arthurian Merlin taught the line of wizards that eventually taught Dresden. Whether this makes them related in any way remains to be seen, though it is possible given that McCoy was both his daughter's and grandson's master, and that the last time a wizard was given custody of any of the swords was Arthurian Merlin.

That being said, I suspect the Wardens would kill Dresden first and not ask questions were he to pop back in time for any reason.

WRT the Doctor appearing around the time of the confrontation with He Who Walks Behind...I doubt anything would occur. The Doctor has stated numerous times that he cannot change the future and only appears to apparently set the timeline back on track when something attempts to knock it out of whack. Given that Dresden has to meet HWWB in order for the entire Dresden story line to occur, I think the Doctor would only intervene if something else attempted to intervene to either prevent the meeting or cause Dresden to fail.
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The Eleventh Doctor massively alters someone's entire life in his first Christmas special. And really, he changes the life of every person he meets while traveling in time. If the stakes were high enough, he would interfere, provided it wasn't a fixed point, and even then he might look for a loophole as he did in "The Wedding of River Song". And it is heavily implied that the Outsiders are, along with the Black Council, part of a plot to destroy the world. Invasions by monsters from another reality are the kind of thing he involves himself in routinely.
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