Darth Yan wrote: ↑2022-01-31 12:40am
Zenos makes sense. His entire schtick is that he's never really had a challenge or a goal to work for; as such his life is empty and pointless to him. The Warrior of Light is the first person to REALLY challenge him and the prospect of fighting you again after you beat him is the first time he's ever REALLY had something to aspire to. In a way he's the Warrior if they never had to face any challenges or never had real allies and friends (since the Warrior is ALSO hinted to love fighting for the thrill of it.)
You're giving him and the writers WAY too much credit: Yea, he makes sense. He stumbles around slaughtering rank and file soldiers, and lamenting "man these people suck." Then he randomly stumbles on one person he can beat, but "could possible beat me." ZOMG! Where was he when Bahamut was fuckin' around? Nidhogg? Omega? Literally, fuckin' anything. He's earned literally nothing. He's DONE literally nothing. He's a child with godlike powers. Worse than being a child? He's fuckin' boring. Blood Knights are boring. You gotta try hard to make them not suck. FFXIV did the bare minimum.
His whole rant about murking like 50 doods with his bare hands? Go him? I suck at MNK and I can do that. You can make the argument he's some kind of deconstruction or foil to CERTAIN aspects of the WoL, but it all falls flats because his rants are moronic and baseless.
As a dark reflection he works fine.
No. He doesn't. A Dark Reflection would be a man who showed up to fight <x> godly being, throwing himself at it and anyone who got in his way. GAUIS would qualify WAY more since a goal we shared was "stopping primals." Gaius was willing to slaughter all the beast tribes, hell pretty much ANYONE, to stop the summoning of primals. He would subjugate the entirety of Eorzea to stop primal summonings.
Oooofffff, JFC you're making me bring up DnD. So Drizzt Do'Urden had a "Dark Reflection" in Artemis Entreri. Literally him, but evil. He trained all the time, is super good at fighting, but he gave up EVERYTHING for it. Every ounce of morality, friendships? Gets in the way of learnin' to murder better. Then he meets Drizzt. This Dark Elf who SHOULD be evil, should be UNIVERSALLY hated. And isn't. He has friends, he has noble goals, he didn't sacrifice EVERYTHING to be good at swingin' swords. Oh yea, and cuz Drizzt is SUPER SPECIAL, he's better than Atermis. And it ENRAGES him. I only bring this up because it's the perfect example of what you're talking about because Salvatore doesn't DO subtle: he wields themes like a sledgehammer.
In WHAT way, outside the ability to KILL THINGS <> to us, is Zenos a Dark Reflection of us? The fuckin' 30-50 DRK quest did it better and didn't get the benefit of voice acting for some reason.
They could, COULD have made him a reflection of the PLAYER. Our desire to win at any cost. To lay low thousands of mobs in our quest for XP and levels, in the quest for clears. But they didn't. Zenos isn't a reflection of us, he's an annoying skin tag that just kind of dangles off us and rants stupid shit at the WoL.
The Garleans are also interesting. If you look at their backstory they were the world's punching bag due to their lack of magic; as such their conquests is basically them lashing out as payback. And the way they justify their crimes is the belief everyone else would do the same to them in their circumstances. In a way, they colonized themselves first.
They WERE possibly interesting, until the shoe dropped and they were shown to have been created as a society specifically to handle "this side" of the rejoinings. But before that, hmmmm, society commits atrocities based on years old grudge and labelling everyone else as savages. And yet still handing out Honorary Garlean badges to useful savages. Stop me if you've heard this before: Opaque. Nazi. Metaphor.
I think THAT'S why they're so unwilling to admit that your desire to help is genuine. Because if you AREN'T going to do the same thing in their situation, than that means they've just been committing needless and pointless acts of cruelty and none of the crimes they've committed were justified. And it's RARELY fun to realize that you're the bad guy. So the realization that you ARE there to help basically breaks them completely.
A brainwashed Hitler youth is still a fuckin' Nazi. If this were reality, we'd be like "oh yea, what you did was bad.... kinda... but we could use all your engineers to build more Magitek, so come on and join us. And then 100 years later you could get together with your other buddies and bully savages while flying Garlean Pride flags."
Fuck Nazis dood. It's actually a line for me. I mean, "hilariously" fuckin' Nazi's AT LEAST were only scammed by humans. Literally God Tier entities built their entire civilization from the ground up to destroy the world. The entire CONCEPT of "Garlea" needs to be smashed into the fuckin' ground and those still trying to hold onto the "good" parts of it need to be reminded constantly about how shit their society was.
I don't really MIND being reminded that because we didn't CRUSH Nazi and Confederate ideology, I gotta deal with BOTH to this day. Because fiction is supposed to make us uncomfortable. But I damn sure don't like my character being party to it. Even if my only response to Garleans bullshit was "roll eyes and walk away," that would have been something. Instead it's just..... woof... that entire garbage zone.