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Trump suspends all immigration by executive order.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-04-21 06:14am

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Donald Trump has been accused of “xenophobic scapegoating” after he announced he will order a temporary ban on immigration into the US to combat the coronavirus pandemic.

There were no other details on the timing or scope of the president’s proposed executive order and no official policy statement from the White House.

Instead there was a lone tweet issued by Trump at 10.06pm on Monday. Without warning, he wrote: “In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy” – a phrase he commonly applies to Covid-19 – “as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”

The post generated instant uncertainty. Similar moves by Trump in the past have triggered mayhem at airports in America and beyond as well as legal challenges. Such an order would be a far-reaching use of executive power from a president who last week claimed he had “total” authority over states’ efforts to reopen their economies.

It came as US oil prices started to recover after turning negative for the first time on record when oil producers ran out of space to store the oversupply of crude, sparked by the virus crisis. On Tuesday, the US benchmark – West Texas Intermediate – for May sat at $1.10 a barrel after closing at -$37.63 in New York on Monday. Trump said in his White House breifing on Monday night the oil price crash was only “short term”.

Trump’s tweet about suspending immigration provoked fierce criticism from Democrats, who suggested he was seeking to distract from his own mishandling of the pandemic.

Congressman Don Beyer of Virginia tweeted: “From the beginning Trump has flailed about seeking someone to blame for his own failure. Obama. Governors. China. Speaker Pelosi. People of Asian descent.

“Immigration has nearly stopped and the US has far more cases than any other country. This is just xenophobic scapegoating.”

Congressman Jerry Nadler of New York added: “President Trump now seeks to distract us from his fumbled Covid-19 response by trying to put the blame on immigrants. The truth is many immigrants are on our front lines, protecting us as doctors, nurses, health aids, farmworkers, and restaurant workers.”

Moe Vela, a former senior adviser on Latino affairs to then vice president Joe Biden, said: “You don’t have to ban all immigration into the country right now. Instead of using a legitimate mitigation solution, like testing or contact tracing people when they come in, he resorted to his go-to strategy which is anti-immigration and racism. This is no more than a total farce, just another excuse for him play to his base.”

Vela, a board director at TransparentBusiness, added: “He wants to distract again. He castigates and casts blame as he tries to take it away from himself. He shirked his most fundamental responsibility as the president of this nation and that’s to keep us safe. He doesn’t know how to cover up for the fact he was playing golf and holding rallies in February when people were getting sick and dying.”

Trump’s tweet did not make clear which immigration programmes might be affected. Nearly all visa processing by the state department, including immigrant visas, has been on hold during the pandemic. Asylum claims have also been suspended in effect, with thousands of people being swiftly returned to Mexico without due process, drawing a rebuke from Human Rights Watch.

With opinion polls showing declining faith in his response to the crisis, Trump has repeatedly pointed to travel restrictions he imposed on China and Europe as evidence he took preemptive action. He is yet to extend those restrictions to other countries now experiencing outbreaks.

The president has also been condemned for using the coronavirus pandemic to push his political agenda, assailing voting rights, undermining federal watchdogs, shredding regulations and signing a bill that handed billions of dollars to corporations while resisting congressional oversight.

The threatened executive order is consistent with his anti-immigrant rhetoric – during the 2016 presidential election he even floated a “Muslim ban” – and aggressive policy enforcement that saw parents separated from children when they entered the country illegally.

At Monday’s White House coronavirus task force briefing, the US Army Corps of Engineers gave a progress report on construction of the US-Mexico border wall. A gratified Trump said: “A hundred and sixty-four miles and we’ll have it done some time pretty early next year. Very exciting. And you might just say one thing: the quality of that wall, in terms of its power for stopping people that shouldn’t be coming into our country.”

Trump’s late-night tweet also referenced a need to keep jobs for American citizens, another longtime campaign pledge. More than 22 million people have filed for unemployment aid since he declared a national emergency on 13 March.

In other global developments:

More than 170,300 people have died from coronavirus so far, according to the Johns Hopkins University tracker. The number of known infections worldwide is approaching 2.5 million. The US accounts for just under a quarter of deaths, at 42,308, and has the most cases, with nearly 780,000.

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam extended social distancing measures for another 14 days, saying “now is not the time to let down our guard”. The measures, which have closed numerous types of businesses and venues, dictate no more than four people are allowed to gather together. Hong Kong reported its first day since early March with no new cases.

Singapore has reported a record 1,426 new cases, pushing its total number of confirmed infections to just over 8,000. The tiny city-state now has the highest number of cases in south-east Asia after earlier appearing to have the outbreak under control. Low-wage migrant workers, a vital part of Singapore’s workforce, now account for at least 60% of its infections.

The US state of Maryland said it obtained 500,000 coronavirus tests from South Korea, raising questions about governors circumventing the federal government to obtain medical equipment. Larry Hogan, the state’s Republican governor, said insufficient testing remained “the most serious obstacle to safely reopening our states”
Right, because COVID-19 is coming from other countries. Its not like there are cases all over the US already while this orange cock threatens civil war to lift the lockdowns.

Anyone who thinks this is temporary is delusional. This measure, if permitted by the Senate and courts, will never be lifted during his Presidency. It will become the new normal, and it will be much harder to reopen immigration post-Trump than to prevent it from being closed.
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There were no other details on the timing or scope of the president’s proposed executive order and no official policy statement from the White House.
That's sort of SOP these days, regrettably....
Instead there was a lone tweet issued by Trump at 10.06pm on Monday. Without warning, he wrote: “In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy” – a phrase he commonly applies to Covid-19 – “as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”
That's not going to save the economy, dumbass. :roll:
Similar moves by Trump in the past have triggered mayhem at airports in America and beyond as well as legal challenges.
Given the current state of air travel at least we don't have to worry about that particular problem - airports are nearly deserted at this point.
Trump’s tweet about suspending immigration provoked fierce criticism from Democrats, who suggested he was seeking to distract from his own mishandling of the pandemic.
Again, SOP these days...
Congressman Don Beyer of Virginia tweeted: “From the beginning Trump has flailed about seeking someone to blame for his own failure. Obama. Governors. China. Speaker Pelosi. People of Asian descent.

“Immigration has nearly stopped and the US has far more cases than any other country. This is just xenophobic scapegoating.”
^ This.
Congressman Jerry Nadler of New York added: “President Trump now seeks to distract us from his fumbled Covid-19 response by trying to put the blame on immigrants. The truth is many immigrants are on our front lines, protecting us as doctors, nurses, health aids, farmworkers, and restaurant workers.”
Honest to god, sometimes I think the plan is to kill off the doctors and scientists but I don't think Trump has the level of focus and attention span to have actually thought such a plan out.... it's just his flailing randomly is devastating to the medical system.
Vela, a board director at TransparentBusiness, added: “He wants to distract again. He castigates and casts blame as he tries to take it away from himself. He shirked his most fundamental responsibility as the president of this nation and that’s to keep us safe. He doesn’t know how to cover up for the fact he was playing golf and holding rallies in February when people were getting sick and dying.”
At this point I'm not sure he CAN cover up his incompetence any more.
Trump’s tweet did not make clear which immigration programmes might be affected.
That's easy.

All of them.

Because Trump thinks that way, in very simplistic terms with absolutely no nuance. When he says he's going to stop immigration it's probably a safe bet he means all of it without thinking through any of the ramnifications.

Next up: I wouldn't be surprised he starts trying to deport anyone not a citizen.
The president has also been condemned for using the coronavirus pandemic to push his political agenda, assailing voting rights, undermining federal watchdogs, shredding regulations and signing a bill that handed billions of dollars to corporations while resisting congressional oversight.
And he SHOULD be condemned for all of that!
The US state of Maryland said it obtained 500,000 coronavirus tests from South Korea, raising questions about governors circumventing the federal government to obtain medical equipment. Larry Hogan, the state’s Republican governor, said insufficient testing remained “the most serious obstacle to safely reopening our states”
Questions?

Seriously?

The Federal government said "you're on your own" then DHS starting impounding shipments bought by the states. It's not that the states are "circumventing" the Federal government, it's that the Federal government is sabotaging the efforts of the states to save lives.
Right, because COVID-19 is coming from other countries. Its not like there are cases all over the US already while this orange cock threatens civil war to lift the lockdowns.
I also expect this administration will shortly seek to restrict information coming from outside the US as well in a last-ditch attempt to spin things in their favor. I doubt that will work, but I expect it to be tried.
Anyone who thinks this is temporary is delusional. This measure, if permitted by the Senate and courts, will never be lifted during his Presidency. It will become the new normal, and it will be much harder to reopen immigration post-Trump than to prevent it from being closed.
I'm hoping that that state of affairs will only endure until January 20, 2021

ETA: With the US becoming the world's hottest hotspot, if any the rest of the world will bar Americans from entering their countries.
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Re: Trump suspends all immigration by executive order.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-04-21 08:35am

Broomstick wrote:
2020-04-21 08:26am
At this point I'm not sure he CAN cover up his incompetence any more.
God willing.
Next up: I wouldn't be surprised he starts trying to deport anyone not a citizen.
And then all the other countries with closed borders tell him that they aren't accepting deportations?
I also expect this administration will shortly seek to restrict information coming from outside the US as well in a last-ditch attempt to spin things in their favor. I doubt that will work, but I expect it to be tried.
That won't work unless Dickless shuts down the internet. And if he does, there will be riots from all the people stuck at home who lost their free porn. :wink:
I'm hoping that that state of affairs will only endure until January 20, 2021
God willing.
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Post by Solauren » 2020-04-21 04:28pm

You know, while this is Xenophobic, could work out in the countries favor?

Specifically, Without one of his scapegoats to sound off on, could Trumps idioicy become more evident even to his more hardcore supporters?
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Post by Tribble » 2020-04-21 05:09pm

Solauren wrote:
2020-04-21 04:28pm
You know, while this is Xenophobic, could work out in the countries favor?

Specifically, Without one of his scapegoats to sound off on, could Trumps idioicy become more evident even to his more hardcore supporters?
IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.

Republicans are simultaneously blaming Democrats for fear-mongering over COVID and blaming Democrats for spreading it. They are blaming Democrats for hurting the economy and for suppressing the people to the point where they need to be “liberated”...while blaming Democrats for not doing enough. They denounce Democrats buying supplies from abroad while stripping supplies from states then blaming Democrats for any shortfalls. Logic departed the party and its support base a long time ago.
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Post by Tribble » 2020-04-21 05:24pm

I’m convinced that at this stage if Trump flat out told his supporters to go out, capture and/or kill The Enemy (again all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat), a significant chunk will actually attempt to do it. Even higher proportions if he gets re-elected.
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Post by Ralin » 2020-04-21 06:00pm

Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:09pm

IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.
A lot (not all, don't underestimate how many people think he's a genius) are aware of that. Being seen as stupid is something Trump can survive. Being seen as weak on top of that is something that can plausibly hurt him.

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Post by Tribble » 2020-04-21 06:17pm

Ralin wrote:
2020-04-21 06:00pm
Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:09pm

IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.
A lot (not all, don't underestimate how many people think he's a genius) are aware of that. Being seen as stupid is something Trump can survive. Being seen as weak on top of that is something that can plausibly hurt him.
Weak in what way? He just shut down all immigration to the US, even if only temporarily. I’m sure his supporters are happily willing to overlook flaws in his COVID response when in comparison to that.

And remember he has plenty of targets to choose from besides immigrants (aka non-white-straight-Christians and every Democrat).
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Post by Gandalf » 2020-04-21 06:42pm

Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:09pm
IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.
Oh, some certainly insist that he's a genius, with claims that "everything he does is calculated," and to the point where great ideas are described as "Trumpian."

It's full on cult of personality.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-04-21 06:56pm

Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:24pm
I’m convinced that at this stage if Trump flat out told his supporters to go out, capture and/or kill The Enemy (again all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat), a significant chunk will actually attempt to do it. Even higher proportions if he gets re-elected.
If Trump isn't removed from office, this goes all the way to death camps.
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Post by The_Saint » 2020-04-21 11:29pm

Gandalf wrote:
2020-04-21 06:42pm
Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:09pm
IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.
Oh, some certainly insist that he's a genius, with claims that "everything he does is calculated," and to the point where great ideas are described as "Trumpian."

It's full on cult of personality.
I've always believed that (metaphorically speaking) Trump doesn't want to be Putin, he want's to be Kim Jong-il.


More directly on topic I think something like this actually gives other nation states better wiggle room to respond to Trump and the USA as this might harm the USA more than it does others (or at least I can't think of any reasons yet).
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Post by Highlord Laan » 2020-04-22 06:55am

Broomstick wrote:
2020-04-21 08:26am
At this point I'm not sure he CAN cover up his incompetence any more.
Say it with me now: "republican voters." AKA: An argument for requiring a basic civics test to vote.
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Tribble wrote:
2020-04-21 05:09pm
IMO Trump’s supporters are well aware that he is an idiot, they just don’t care. As far as they are concerned all they care about is whether or not he can defeat their enemies (aka all non-white-straight-Christians and anyone labelling themselves as a Democrat). If Trump has the burn the country down while lying through his teeth to do it, so be it.

Republicans are simultaneously blaming Democrats for fear-mongering over COVID and blaming Democrats for spreading it. They are blaming Democrats for hurting the economy and for suppressing the people to the point where they need to be “liberated”...while blaming Democrats for not doing enough. They denounce Democrats buying supplies from abroad while stripping supplies from states then blaming Democrats for any shortfalls. Logic departed the party and its support base a long time ago.
His supporters have been so utterly radicalised and utterly convinced that everyone else is a threat to their way of life that it's about defeating the "enemy" at all cost.

Hopefully it's the "soft" supporters, the ones that switched from voting from Democrat to Trump that will feel upset with Trump and swing back to Democrats.
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Post by FireNexus » 2020-04-22 09:57am

Don’t we have a Trump Dump thread for shit like this? Not that it isn’t important, but if we had a new thread for every terrible thing Trump does...
I had a Bill Maher quote here. But fuck him for his white privelegy "joke".

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-04-22 04:40pm

FireNexus wrote:
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Don’t we have a Trump Dump thread for shit like this? Not that it isn’t important, but if we had a new thread for every terrible thing Trump does...
If a mod wants to move it they're welcome to do so, but my feeling is that the US barring ALL immigration is a significant enough development to warrant its own thread.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-04-23 04:52am

Looks like he's dialed it back a bit:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6856003/coro ... on-signed/
U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed an order to temporarily block some foreigners from permanent residence in the United States, saying he was doing so in order to protect American workers during the coronavirus pandemic.

The order is to last for 60 days and then will be reviewed and possibly extended. Some critics saw Republican Trump’s announcement as a move to take advantage of the coronavirus crisis to implement a long-sought policy goal of barring more immigrants ahead of the Nov. 3 election.

READ MORE: Trump’s U.S. immigration suspension bars new green cards but not temporary visas

“In order to protect our great American workers I have just signed an executive order temporarily suspending immigration into the United States. This will ensure that unemployed Americans of all backgrounds will be first in line for jobs as our economy reopens,” Trump said at his daily news conference about the coronavirus at the White House.

He also said it will “preserve our healthcare resources for American patients” afflicted by the coronavirus.

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White House lawyers worked all day to craft the language for the order, prompting some officials to say the signing might have to wait for Thursday. But aides described Trump as eager to sign the document.

Trump won the White House in 2016 in part on a promise to crack down on immigration and has made the issue central to his presidency. But many of his major moves trying to curb immigration have been challenged in court and legal experts said this executive order could also face lawsuits.

One U.S. Department of Homeland Security official who requested anonymity said the order would only apply to people applying for permanent residence from outside the United States, not those already in the country seeking to adjust their status.

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Trump said the order initially would last for 60 days and could be renewed for the same period or longer, and that a second immigration-focused order was under consideration.

A person familiar with the internal debate at the White House said Trump and his advisers had discussed the executive order over the weekend and that the move was directed at his electoral base.

“He’s wanted this all along,” the person said. “But now under this pandemic he can absolutely do it.”

(Reporting by Ted Hesson, Steve Holland, Jeff Mason in Washington and Mica Rosenberg in New York; Editing by Alistair Bell and Grant McCool)
Two possibilities I'm seeing here: Some folks took him aside and explained he needed to dial it back to get it through the courts/make sure he still had immigrant labour for his businesses, or he deliberately went with a more extreme proposal so that what he actually does seems more reasonable by comparison.
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Post by Broomstick » 2020-04-23 03:03pm

I'm going with number 1 - I see no evidence of Trump being capable of even the minimal strategic thinking required for number 2.
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Re: Trump suspends all immigration by executive order.

Post by Eulogy » 2020-04-23 05:28pm

Broomstick wrote:
2020-04-23 03:03pm
I'm going with number 1 - I see no evidence of Trump being capable of even the minimal strategic thinking required for number 2.
Fitting, since Trump likes to piss all over everyone while he's also full of shit. :P
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