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VW Plant Opens Door to Union and Dispute
By JACK EWING and BILL VLASIC

FRANKFURT — The face-off between Volkswagen and the United Automobile Workers over organizing the company’s new plant in Tennessee is rapidly becoming a global clash of cultures.

For months, the U.A.W. has been trying hard to get recognition by Volkswagen to represent workers at its prized assembly plant in Chattanooga.

The effort has unleashed a groundswell of pro- and anti-union sentiment. While some workers are eager for the U.A.W. to come in, state officials and so-called right-to-work groups are just as determined to stop Detroit’s brand of unionism.

Now Volkswagen and its German labor leaders are proposing a solution that is commonplace in Europe, but has yet to be tried in the American auto industry.

The senior labor representative at Volkswagen in Germany, Bernd Osterloh, is planning a trip to the United States to suggest a compromise in what has become a heated battle over the U.A.W.’s relentless drive to organize a foreign-owned auto plant in the American South.

He is expected to push for a German-style works council in the plant — a committee of hourly and salaried employees that gives labor a voice at the management table.

A works council is not like an American union, which can negotiate contracts and authorize strikes. But it does have the advantage of being a familiar form of labor relations for a German car company like VW.

The larger question is whether a works council can satisfy employees and politicians in Tennessee — and give the U.A.W. a foothold in the growing Southern auto industry.

Mr. Osterloh said recently that the Chattanooga plant might have a better chance at landing a hot new sport utility vehicle for the assembly plant, which now produces Passat sedans, if it had a works council to represent it.

In Germany, works councils have a long tradition and are an integral part of the process of mitbestimmung — the right of workers to have a say in corporate decisions. Managers in Germany see the councils as a way to head off labor problems and improve productivity.

To many Americans, the notion of works councils belongs alongside socialized medicine and six-week vacations as examples of the practices that have doomed Europe to near-zero growth. But another way to look at it is that works councils are part of a model that has helped preserve Germany’s industrial base and hold the country’s unemployment to a relatively low level: 5.2 percent, compared with 7.3 percent in the United States.

“It always depends on the people,” said Franz Schabmüller, owner of FS Firmenverwaltung, a group of 10 midsize manufacturing companies based in the Bavarian city of Ingolstadt. “If the works council has people of integrity who have the interests of the company at heart, then it can work well.”

One open question in Chattanooga is whether the 1,600 or so hourly workers at the VW factory would need to belong to a union like the U.A.W. to join a works council.

The U.A.W. said it would welcome a works council, but said that it would be legal only if a majority of workers had opted for a union. And many labor experts agree.

“If the company set up a representation system like that, a union would challenge it and they could probably win their argument that it’s a company-dominated union,” said Richard Hurd, a professor of industrial and labor relations at Cornell University. Such a union set up by the company would violate American labor law, he said.

Emotions in the plant are also rising. Recently the U.A.W. said it had signatures in support of union representation from a majority of the plant’s workers.

But some workers who signed cards have since balked at being part of the organizing effort. With the aid of an anti-union foundation, they are challenging the validity of the cards to the federal National Labor Relations Board.

Now workers opposed to the U.A.W. are circulating their own petition, supported by 30 percent of the plant’s workers.

To some opposed to the union, an attempt to bring European business practices to Chattanooga is a distraction from the bigger issue of whether the U.A.W., based in Detroit, can get a foothold in the South. Two other German automakers, BMW and Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz unit, also have factories in the South, in Spartanburg, S.C., and Vance, Ala. Neither plant is unionized or has an elected works council.

In Germany, works councils are not the same as unions, though the two often cooperate. The councils, whose members are elected by employees, have a right to be consulted on job cuts or other decisions about working conditions. They are barred by law from negotiating over wages. That is the prerogative of labor unions, which typically bargain on an industrywide basis.

In Germany, there is also no clear demarcation between unionized and nonunionized companies. Any person can join a union. The union acquires power only if enough employees join to form a critical mass able to call a strike or otherwise exert pressure on management.

At all but the smallest German companies, workers can elect committees that have a right to weigh in on policies that affect working conditions. At large companies, worker representatives even sit on supervisory boards that choose the chief executive and approve major decisions. If a company has at least 200 employees, it must pay the salary of a full-time worker representative.

And as things now stand, every Volkswagen factory in the world has a works committee except one: the plant in Chattanooga.

Even in Germany, corporate executives sometimes grumble about having to listen to employees and share information. But they also concede that the system allows bosses and employees to cooperate more effectively in times of crisis. One study showed that worker-management cooperation helped contain unemployment during a sharp economic downturn in 2009.

“Like all systems, it has advantages and disadvantages,” said Martin Leutz, a spokesman for Gesamtmetall, an industry association that negotiates wage agreements for many German manufacturers, including Volkswagen. “Fundamentally, we are of the view that mitbestimmung has proved its value.”

But would mitbestimmung work in America? Mr. Osterloh, the head of VW’s works council, thinks so.

But VW’s Chattanooga workers may be a tough sell. Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee and Gov. Bill Haslam are both conservative Republicans, no friends of trade unions. Mr. Corker told The Chattanooga Times Free Press that unionization of the VW plant “would be a negative for the future economic growth of our state.”

An earlier trip by the German labor leaders was called off for unrelated reasons. Mr. Osterloh said this week that he was trying to reschedule it and that Mr. Corker and Mr. Haslam were receptive to a meeting.

“I don’t even know if they know what a works council is,” Mr. Osterloh said in a telephone interview.

A spokesman for Mr. Haslam said on Thursday: “One of the things that makes Tennessee great is that it is a right-to-work state. Volkswagen is an outstanding employer that puts a lot of focus on employee satisfaction, and the company has been incredibly successful with the current structure in Chattanooga.”

Volkswagen, partly owned by the German state of Lower Saxony, has a long history of worker cooperation, and Mr. Osterloh is practically a member of top management. He said he spoke at least once a week to Martin Winterkorn, the VW chief executive.

“When there are problems with production, productivity or quality, those are all things that are talked about with the works council,” Mr. Osterloh said.

Jack Ewing reported from Frankfurt and Bill Vlasic from Detroit. Steven Greenhouse contributed reporting from New York.
As German I'm used to have elected representatives in the company management. I's been law since 1920 and has been quite effective to protect worker rights. Also it's quite useful to have someone telling management when they screw up.
I'm not sure if this will work in the US. Having representatives has a long tradition in Germany, and the idea of cooperation instead of confrontation when it comes to balance the interests of workers and employees has been part of society since the 19th century. So I doubt this will be much of an model for other US companies. Especially since even here companies try to reduce employee participation.
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Well, there's no harm in trying, is there?
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Zaune wrote:Well, there's no harm in trying, is there?
The UAW did a lot of damage to the US auto industry prior to the bail-out, and if they haven't learned their lesson, they are liable to try and kill their employer yet again. I sincerely hope they have learned their lesson.

That said, I have no opposition to a 'works council', as my main opposition is to the UAW itself.
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Would you care to detail the nature of this damage?
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Simon_Jester wrote:Would you care to detail the nature of this damage?
The biggest thing was the Jobs Bank (which was killed in 2008), which required that the auto makers pay 95% of wages and full benefits when employees were laid off. They made it so hard to fire people that there were reports of 20%+ absenteeism rates at factories, and as a result there were staffing levels that were such that some days people would be told to spend their entire day in the break room because they didn't have work for them (IE, enough people showed up that there were not enough slots on the line to have everyone working). The reason there were such staffing levels is that the UAW made it very, very hard to get any fired from a job for the big three.

It was these costs when added to the damage caused by management that didn't take a long view that forced the bail out to be needed. I don't blame the union for being the entire cause, but they certainly didn't help.
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I don't have any objection to it because I'm entirely in favor of attempting multiple approaches to problems in the business world. However, even though the UAW is not the powerhouse it used to be, it still pulls a lot of weight and usually pulls towards only its own brand of worker/management relations. Add on top of that a management attitude in the US towards labor and/or unions that has occasionally resulted in the two sides opening fire on each other or otherwise engaging in mayhen and murder (and yes, I do mean literal killing) and the obstacles towards this mitbestimmung is quite steep. Being European in origin probably doesn't help, either.
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I think what happened in the US is that the unions emerged in a very hostile environment, including active, violent suppression campaigns- and when the most intense and violent antiunion pressures eased off after FDR took office, the unions overshot. In some cases, badly.

Conversely, the reaction against that in 'right-to-work' states has swung the pendulum so far the other way that it imperils the ability of residents of those states to maintain middle-class lifestyles. Because having a union to advocate for you at work makes it a lot easier to keep middle-class salary and benefits.

I'm sort of sympathetic to a bunch of foreigners wandering into the middle of all this and going "um, guys? This is crazy, let's just..."
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I think a lot of people in the USA don't realize what a powerful tool this is. It essentially means that half the board of directors (minus 1 person) are elected by the workers.
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I wouldn't talk about that too loudly until it's a fait accompli if I were you. Someone might lobby Congress to pass legislation crippling it.
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Thanas wrote:I think a lot of people in the USA don't realize what a powerful tool this is. It essentially means that half the board of directors (minus 1 person) are elected by the workers.
Alternatively, they realize exactly what a powerful tool this is, and they don't like it, hence their opposition.
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On the one hand, I do support the rights of workers to make sure they are protected and not needlessly abused.

OTOH, The VW plant is already one of the highest paying jobs in the eastern Tennessee area, and has been a major, major factor is allowing the region to at least partially recover from the 2008-09 recession. Any long term negative effects that would result in VW going bust at the Chattanooga plant would kill hundreds if not thousands of other jobs at other companies throughout the region and set back area economic progress by several years. There are a staggering number of auto parts suppliers in the region as well, so anything that compromises the long term health of Chattanooga VW would not be good.
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Honestly, I doubt that the plant being unionized or having a worker's council will kill it. If this were a company like Walmart that would rather close a store than set the precedent of allowing labor organizers to operate, it would be a problem, but VW has a history of knowing how to work with responsible labor organization, so as long as the UAW doesn't blow it it should be all right.
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Simon_Jester wrote:but VW has a history of knowing how to work with responsible labor organization
History of VW's multinational work with labour organizations is hardly what I'd ever appeal to.
“The big companies recruited personnel from the armed forces and the police, and maintained spying operations against their employees in the factories and the unions,” the article states. “At Volkswagen and Chrysler, for example, they handed over lists of employees to the security agencies, sometimes together with their personnel files.”

But the collaboration went well beyond mere financial support. In November 1969, the O Globo article recounts, representatives of Volkswagen, GM, Chrysler, Firestone, Philips and other companies met in Sao Paulo with the local chief of the secret police organization DOPS (Department of Political and Social Order) and a representative of the army. Their aim was to establish a permanent body to coordinate repression of Brazilian workers.

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From the mid-1960s on, the foreign companies, concerned with militancy in their workforces and emboldened by the support of the military regime, began beefing up their internal security arrangements. Those set up by Volkswagen, which then employed some 30,000 workers in Brazil, were considered a model by the other multinationals.

They were organized by a real specialist, Franz Paul Stangl. A Nazi fugitive, Stangl had served the Third Reich by running the death camps at Sobibor and Treblinka. After escaping to Brazil in the early 1950s, he spent 15 years working for VW there, before his past was exposed and he was extradited to Germany, where he died in prison.

He was later replaced by Adhemar Rudge, a Brazilian army colonel who was fluent in German. “We never had terrorists in the factories,” Rudge told O Globo. “We prevented it, eventually with some sharing of information with the DOPS.”
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I appear to be wrong.

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If I am understanding the actual debate in Tennessee right now its not whether or not workers should be alowed onto the board, both the company and politicians are okay with that. The issue is due to federal law this would be illegal unless those workers are also part of a union (probably a hold over from union bosses wanting to control their members) which doesn't currently exist.

I don't see any reason a union's involvement should be enshrined by law any more than it should be prevented by law.
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Hmm... if they just have to belong to a union then it doesn't have to be the UAW, it could be a union for just that plant...
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Simon_Jester wrote:but VW has a history of knowing how to work with responsible labor organization
History of VW's multinational work with labour organizations is hardly what I'd ever appeal to.
“The big companies recruited personnel from the armed forces and the police, and maintained spying operations against their employees in the factories and the unions,” the article states. “At Volkswagen and Chrysler, for example, they handed over lists of employees to the security agencies, sometimes together with their personnel files.”

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From the mid-1960s on, the foreign companies, concerned with militancy in their workforces and emboldened by the support of the military regime, began beefing up their internal security arrangements. Those set up by Volkswagen, which then employed some 30,000 workers in Brazil, were considered a model by the other multinationals.

They were organized by a real specialist, Franz Paul Stangl. A Nazi fugitive, Stangl had served the Third Reich by running the death camps at Sobibor and Treblinka. After escaping to Brazil in the early 1950s, he spent 15 years working for VW there, before his past was exposed and he was extradited to Germany, where he died in prison.

He was later replaced by Adhemar Rudge, a Brazilian army colonel who was fluent in German. “We never had terrorists in the factories,” Rudge told O Globo. “We prevented it, eventually with some sharing of information with the DOPS.”
Not to be rude, but do you have something more current, say in the last 10 to 20 years.

And preferably something in the US, Canada, or Europe?
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They should join the Wobblies or the IWA instead of the UAW.

Also, states with more unionized workers tend to be much stronger economically than those with fewer unionized workers. But I suppose the Republicans have been more about oligarchy than a strong middle class and working class after the Dixiecrats hopped on board.

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So, yes, this Vee-Dub plants need to unionize and quick.
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Rycon67 wrote:Not to be rude, but do you have something more current, say in the last 10 to 20 years.

And preferably something in the US, Canada, or Europe?
Did you miss the word "history"? What is the point of talking about history if you wish to talk about current events?
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He's got a point, though. You're talking about decisions taken when most of VW's current senior management were probably still in school, if they were even born. The people who made those decisions aren't just retired, they are quite probably dead or very nearly so.

To be perfectly honest, if you have to go that far back to find something with which to criticise VW's conduct in its dealings with organised labour then you might as well bring up its ties to Nazi Germany while you're at it.
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Zaune wrote:He's got a point, though. You're talking about decisions taken when most of VW's current senior management were probably still in school, if they were even born. The people who made those decisions aren't just retired, they are quite probably dead or very nearly so.

To be perfectly honest, if you have to go that far back to find something with which to criticise VW's conduct in its dealings with organised labour then you might as well bring up its ties to Nazi Germany while you're at it.
If I was bringing that bit of VW's history up, there'd be slave labour, infanticide, torture and other things where the Brazilian shenanigans would simply pale in comparison. However, the 1960s and 1970s were the initial period of expansion for many modern multinationals, and a very critical one, too. It is important to remember just how they made their overseas fortunes. VW were involved with the union-cooption and anti-union practices in South Africa in the 2000s and union-busting in Mexico in the 1990s, for example, and I see no reason to give them any slack over their supposed "good history" which is not good at all. The introduction of the Auto 5000 model in the 2000s at VW's plants to boost profitability included pay slashes and a 42-hour work week. It is well-known that VW's numerous acquisitions which made it, for a time, a number 1 automobile megacorporation in the world, were creating units within the group with unequal wages, unequal labour conditions and the like. Attacks against union members were reported for example in Russia, where VW also operates a plant since 2000s.

Not that I'm giving any slack to any corporation which I know has a history of repressing the workers, dealing in conflict minerals, employing war criminals et cetera - and that concerns pretty much about every large company today.

So if you think the examples above demonstrate good history, what is "bad history" in your view? Machine-gunning your workers when they march, like with Ford in 1930s?
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Not that I'm giving any slack to any corporation which I know has a history of repressing the workers, dealing in conflict minerals, employing war criminals et cetera - and that concerns pretty much about every large company today.
And just about every large company that's ever existed in the history of capitalism.

I'm not making excuses for VW's actions in the 60s and 70s, I'm just saying there's got to be a limit on how long you hold grudges about this stuff, for purely practical reasons if nothing else.
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Zaune wrote:And just about every large company that's ever existed in the history of capitalism.
Exactly. You build fortunes on blood? Don't be surprised it will come to bite you in your fat supercapitalist ass half a century later. Seriously. What goes around comes back around.
Zaune wrote:I'm not making excuses for VW's actions in the 60s and 70s, I'm just saying there's got to be a limit on how long you hold grudges about this stuff, for purely practical reasons if nothing else.
Why? VW did pay to its Holocaust-era slaves and their family members after they banded together and demanded compensation for what was done to them like 60 years ago. For the Brazilians, that's barely 30-40 years in the past. The practical approach would be to demand compensation as soon as possible - though of course if you were "dissappeared" by a death squad, its kinda hard to demand one, so it falls to family members I guess. I bet there were people in the 1970s which held the very same approach regarding compensations to Holocaust victims. I am only happy that this type of thinking does not prevail.
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Re: VW Plant Opens Door to Union and Dispute

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If the German workers are able to live with this, so should the US workers. Anything else is pretty much offtopic as it does not involve the issue at hand.
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Re: VW Plant Opens Door to Union and Dispute

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The council idea seems nice. But if I had to choose between the two, I'd rather have a union.
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