BREAKING NEWS: Explosion at Norway Prime Ministers Office

[Marcus Aurelius]

This is a horrifying situation & I hope gov't agencies throughout Europe & the US keep an eye out to prevent copycats from striking.

Unfortunately, the extremist in this case had the intellect necessary to plan & pull of such a devastating attack. He may have let himself get taken alive in the hopes of sensationalizing his trial.

He was evidently a fanatical Roman catholic, so I would guess he didn't kill himself because the RCC is strongly against suicide. I mean murder regardless of the number of victims is something you can get absolution from, but after a suicide you are dead and unable to repent your sins...

[That NOS Guy]

Breaking news is that he has confessed through his court appointed lawyer.

Other thing would be the details of the manifesto talking about a new group of "templar knights" which he claims he is a part of. (Not to be confused with his masonic membership). That would mean that there people out there who helped him.

Looking at his manifesto, he claims he's the commander. I'm honestly unsure if anyone else joined in this fantasy of his.

[CaptainChewbacca]

So, apparently he had recently purchased six tons of fertilizer for his farm, but I guess it didn't end up in his fields. According to the wholesaler it was a typical order for a farm, nothing suspicious.

Has this fertilizer been accounted for, or did the man leave 'presents' around norway?

[Norseman]

So, apparently he had recently purchased six tons of fertilizer for his farm, but I guess it didn't end up in his fields. According to the wholesaler it was a typical order for a farm, nothing suspicious.

Has this fertilizer been accounted for, or did the man leave 'presents' around norway?

Three tons recovered from the farm itself. Not sure what he did with the rest of it, how much would he need for a fair sized carbomb?

[Sea Skimmer]

You couldn't put more then a thousand pounds in a car, and that'd be really cramming it in. This bomb looks like far less then that. If he'd wanted to make a big bomb he would have and could have rented a delivery van. I suspect he did not because the bomb wasn't the main goal, and a parked van would be more likely to be noticed.

[Irbis]

...I always saw Norway as very safe country, very shocking and disgusting

I see several articles on the net and other forums that says that the massacre on the island Utøya would never have happened with US gun laws and security in place.

Yeah, seeing how people are already trying to spin it is disgusting. When it became obvious it isn't Muslim terrorist massacrer, most pro-gun forums I read begun spinning their 'illegal gun' tired chant, despite all indications showing both were fully legal.

And yes, it wouldn't have happened that way. Because, IMHO, it would be twice as bad, easily, a submachine gun instead of his semi-auto rifle (as that's what the current report is) when he was firing point-blank into the crowd could claim many more lives. Lax as Norway's gun law is, it doesn't give nowhere near as big palette of killing options as most US states.

So apparently the guard witch saw nothing wrong in either the explanation or with the ID that the fake police officer showed allowed this psychopath to go on the boat over to the island. I think he would have been able to pass a US checkpoint in the same way if it had happened over there.

Well, what he was supposed to do? I don't know if it's the case in Norway, but usually, being security officer means needing license or blank legal slate, and scuffles with police aren't usually conductive to that. Heck, police is often their first line of backup, so he might have subconsciously glossed over the suspicions. Such a thing never happened in Norway or Sweden, IIRC (well, there was one such attack in Finland...) so there was nothing that would trigger concrete reaction.

[Lord Pounder]

The masonic thing seems to be getting downplayed a lot. Sky News mentioned it once that he was a member but immediately said that his membership to the global funny handshake brigade meant nothing. Having in my youth been a member of similar organisations I'm not so sure strings weren't pulled.

I've lived with terrorism most of my life, lost friends and family to terrorism, and it's still a shock when atrocities like this happen. I'm not a gun nut or anything but stricter gun laws will not prevent something like this happening again, if a person is really that determined there and millions of ways to cause murder harm and chaos.

What disgusts me if the double standards of certain media, before the blood of the first victim was even cold the blame was laid on Islamic terrorism then as soon as it turns out to be a white christian lead terrorism they go silent on motives. I really wonder how these people sleep at night the goal of journalism should be to report the news, not create it or go at it with a political agenda.

[ComradeClaus]

@ComradeClaus
You are an idiot who repeatedly show your ignorance of history whenever you get the opportunity. Please just shut up.
It does not compare. At all.

Let's see, passed every regents global studies/history class from 7-12 grade (Straight A++/ 99% grade average) even recieving a scholarship for my marks. Also getting among the highest grades for history in the school's history. Plus was in the top 3 in every year of science (A+/ 95% avg) In college majored in European History (minored in Asian history). Also I'm in negotiations to get my first book publshed. (A book on what else? EUROPEAN history)

So I don't know my stuff?! Ignorant of history?! Me?! You're living in a fantasy world. I can't afford to look up EVERY piece of info to prove naysayers wrong & I refuse to waste my time on those who don't deserve it. Your delusions... do not compare... at all.

Back to the topic:

The fact he actually confessed, with his lawyer present, pretty much confirms he wants as much publicity as possible, to bad he's going to get it. He should get a trial with NO MEDIA coverage allowed, then stuck in a dank pit somewhere & forgotten.

Well, the media have corporate sponsors funding them & the chanels that air them right? & Said businesses have political agendas, right?

Tragic, but that's how the world works. Back in June 17 2003, Dan Rather spent 10 seconds mentioning the 50th anneversary of the Berlin Uprising, that was it, not even European Journal (Deutsche Welle TV) covered it. But Tiennamen Square is always discussed. I guess it didn't matter that Soviet tanks crushed hundreds of protestors. And media never covers stuff like JCS1067 despite the influence it had on postwar events.

[That NOS Guy]

Let's see, passed every regents global studies/history class from 7-12 grade (Straight A++/ 99% grade average) even recieving a scholarship for my marks. Also getting among the highest grades for history in the school's history. Plus was in the top 3 in every year of science (A+/ 95% avg) In college majored in European History (minored in Asian history). Also I'm in negotiations to get my first book publshed. (A book on what else? EUROPEAN history)

So I don't know my stuff?! Ignorant of history?! Me?! You're living in a fantasy world. I can't afford to look up EVERY piece of info to prove naysayers wrong & I refuse to waste my time on those who don't deserve it. Your delusions... do not compare... at all.

So, what precisely is your book about? I mean, far be it for me to question your towering intellect, but if you have to use "IIRC" for Alexander II's serf liberation measures, I'd wager you're a poor historian.

Moving forward, the situations are not remotely comparable since multiple bombings means, well, multiple bombings in a single area not a bombing in one place and a shooting in another. Please do shutup.

[Admiral Drason]

Okay mister smarty pants why don't you read up on the assassination of the Arch Duke to realize that the first attempt on his life was not a clever ruse to divert him into a trap. The assassin just happened to be at a cafe that the arch duke was driving by and he saw it as a target of opportunity. The first attempt was supposed to kill him. Just a nitpick to your perfect record breaking historic knowledge.

[That NOS Guy]

Okay mister smarty pants why don't you read up on the assassination of the Arch Duke to realize that the first attempt on his life was not a clever ruse to divert him into a trap. The assassin just happened to be at a cafe that the arch duke was driving by and he saw it as a target of opportunity. The first attempt was supposed to kill him. Just a nitpick to your perfect record breaking historic knowledge.

Where the hell is the Archduke mentioned in this thread?

[Admiral Drason]

Okay mister smarty pants why don't you read up on the assassination of the Arch Duke to realize that the first attempt on his life was not a clever ruse to divert him into a trap. The assassin just happened to be at a cafe that the arch duke was driving by and he saw it as a target of opportunity. The first attempt was supposed to kill him. Just a nitpick to your perfect record breaking historic knowledge.

Where the hell is the Archduke mentioned in this thread?

Oh never mind I re read what he wrote and it was about Tzar Alaxander, I eat my own words and concede.

[That NOS Guy]

When Comradeclaus said that using a diversion has been used several times in history in which he refrenced the assassination of the Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand as a historic master plan where a diversion is used which isn't the case. I didn't correct him on it until he decided to tell us how special he is.

Tsar Alexander II is not Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand. Your heart is in the right place though.

[FSTargetDrone]

...I always saw Norway as very safe country, very shocking and disgusting

It still is. Though it's especially terrible for those directly involved, it's important not to let rare events like this cloud one's view of safety.

[ComradeClaus]

Let's see, passed every regents global studies/history class from 7-12 grade (Straight A++/ 99% grade average) even recieving a scholarship for my marks. Also getting among the highest grades for history in the school's history. Plus was in the top 3 in every year of science (A+/ 95% avg) In college majored in European History (minored in Asian history). Also I'm in negotiations to get my first book publshed. (A book on what else? EUROPEAN history)

So I don't know my stuff?! Ignorant of history?! Me?! You're living in a fantasy world. I can't afford to look up EVERY piece of info to prove naysayers wrong & I refuse to waste my time on those who don't deserve it. Your delusions... do not compare... at all.

So, what precisely is your book about? I mean, far be it for me to question your towering intellect, but if you have to use "IIRC" for Alexander II's serf liberation measures, I'd wager you're a poor historian.

Moving forward, the situations are not remotely comparable since multiple bombings means, well, multiple bombings in a single area not a bombing in one place and a shooting in another. Please do shutup.

I used "iirc" because it's so damned hot here I can hardly remember how to spell my name (it's over 10 letters long) right now let alone whether it was Alexander the 1st or 2nd that got assasinated. Hell, even british get Charles 1st & 2nd mixed up sometimes regarding whom got beheaded.The book I'm getting published is about logistics & production relationships in war. Another is a what-if book similar to "Luftwaffe Victorious" by mike Spick. Except mine doesn't negate the premise like his POS. Really, his was a toptal waste of a dollar. At least I know how NOT to write a book!

[That NOS Guy]

I used "iirc" because it's so damned hot here I can hardly remember how to spell my name (it's over 10 letters long) right now let alone whether it was Alexander the 1st or 2nd that got assasinated.

Oh boy, over 10 letters. My name is 17. I'm also sitting in the middle of historically bad heat wave. Suck it. If you can't remember the particulars of the 1881 assassination of the Tsar Liberator, let alone the specifics of the Decemberist uprising, there's no helping you.

Hell, even british get Charles 1st & 2nd mixed up sometimes regarding whom got beheaded.

I suppose that's fine for your common man, but not the crack historian you make yourself out to be. See, having standards is having hard.

The book I'm getting published is about logistics & production relationships in war. Another is a what-if book similar to "Luftwaffe Victorious" by mike Spick. Except mine doesn't negate the premise like his POS. Really, his was a toptal waste of a dollar. At least I know how NOT to write a book!

I'm just not going to believe that you're actual reputable scholar as I have very little evidence for it in your responses. I recall in his forward to Wages of Destruction Tooze was very into talking about how great his high school grades where, because that is clearly an arbiter of how good one is at understanding history. I mean really, who does that and expects to be taken seriously?

Also, retract or back up your claim that the attacks are similar to the ones you cited historically, we do occasionally have rules here, and chief among them is Debate Rule 5.

[fgalkin]

I used "iirc" because it's so damned hot here I can hardly remember how to spell my name (it's over 10 letters long) right now let alone whether it was Alexander the 1st or 2nd that got assasinated. Hell, even british get Charles 1st & 2nd mixed up sometimes regarding whom got beheaded.The book I'm getting published is about logistics & production relationships in war. Another is a what-if book similar to "Luftwaffe Victorious" by mike Spick. Except mine doesn't negate the premise like his POS. Really, his was a toptal waste of a dollar. At least I know how NOT to write a book!

You seriously expect us to believe that you have written a book when you have failed to master basic spelling, grammar, and capitalization? Don't insult our intelligence.

Your mention of the absolutely worthless Regents exam suggests that you are probably a high school-er who wants to learn about the awesomeness of the Third Reich in college, with a helping of ninjas on the side. That might be fine on other forums, but on SDN, we have a rule about this

Be Honest. Around here, dishonesty is much worse than rudeness. We take a particularly dim view of anyone who pretends to be someone he's not, or who brags about false accomplishments.

You best be prepared to provide support for your claims, or else your stay here shall be a short and unpleasant one.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Edi]

Take this history pissing contest the fuck out of this thread immediately, or there will be consequences. This is the only warning I'm going to give on this subject.

[Irbis]

The masonic thing seems to be getting downplayed a lot. Sky News mentioned it once that he was a member but immediately said that his membership to the global funny handshake brigade meant nothing. Having in my youth been a member of similar organisations I'm not so sure strings weren't pulled.

...Since when Mason Lodges engage in terrorist killings?

I mean, it's possible they filled his head with conservatism and hate, if reports about Scandinavian lodges are true, but outright string pulling? I can't see that, it's not Al Qaeda

I've lived with terrorism most of my life, lost friends and family to terrorism, and it's still a shock when atrocities like this happen. I'm not a gun nut or anything but stricter gun laws will not prevent something like this happening again, if a person is really that determined there and millions of ways to cause murder harm and chaos.

I'd have to respectfully disagree here. Already his lack of ammunition and automatic guns saved dozens of lives, had Norway had stricter gun laws it's possible that every single of these kids would have been alive now. What he could have carried past the guard that would have allowed him to kill 80+ people? Bowie knife?

What disgusts me if the double standards of certain media, before the blood of the first victim was even cold the blame was laid on Islamic terrorism then as soon as it turns out to be a white christian lead terrorism they go silent on motives. I really wonder how these people sleep at night the goal of journalism should be to report the news, not create it or go at it with a political agenda.

Yeah. I can also add sickening change of tune from 'dirty Islamic raghead bomb Mecca' to 'poor misunderstood madman who is absolutely leftist/atheist' present is some media outlets and almost all right wing commenters :/

It still is. Though it's especially terrible for those directly involved, it's important not to let rare events like this cloud one's view of safety.

Agreed.

[His Divine Shadow]

A norweigan posted this on another forum, very inspirational stuff:

In the safest, most boring country, the worst lone gunman shooting happens. The worst in the world, in history. But it will not make our country worse. The safe, boring democracy will supply him with a defense lawyer as is his right. He will not get more than 21 years in prison as is the maximum extent of the law. Our democracy does not allow for enough punishment to satisfy my need for revenge, as is its intention. We will not become worse, we will be better. We lived in a land where this is possible, even easy. And we will keep living in a land where this is possible, even easy. We are open, we are free and we are together. We are vulnerable by choice. And we will keep on like that, that's how we want to live. We will not be worse because of the worst. We must be good because of the best.

[bobalot]

This terrorist had a manifesto. Here are some of his "primary objectives"

9. Many individuals (especially category A, B and C traitors who until now has just “gone with the flow”) will re-evaluate the premises for their support to multiculturalism (destruction of our European cultures) or at least the premises for allowing mass-Muslim immigration/the ongoing Islamisation and will re-consider if it is really worth the trouble

10. Contribution for creating a broader acceptance for defending and support European culture without being target of EUSSR labelling techniques (bigot, fascist, Nazi, racist).

11. Marketing the resistance movement

12. Making moderate cultural conservatives more approachable, by the establishment, by broadening or expanding the very definition of extreme right wing axis etc.

13. Many individuals (politically neutral) may start to have reservations against working in government buildings (near concentrations of category A or B traitors) which will help polarise the left and right.

Here's a howler:

I did screw two girls in Prague though, but that was mainly because it was a realistic chance that I would end up dead during the process of establishing a weapons connection. I won’t make any effort to try to completely justify it though. Human males are imperfect by default as they are plagued by their biological needs. Nevertheless, screwing around outside of marriage is after all a relatively small sin compared to the huge amounts of grace I am about to generate with my martyrdom operation.

It descends into the insane:

I have been thinking about my post-operational situation, in case I survive a successful mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial. When I wake up at the hospital, after surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted on me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be waking up to a world of shit, a living nightmare. Not only will all my friends and family detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize. They will possibly do everything they can to distort the truth about me, KT and our true objectives, and attempt to make even revolutionary conservatives detest me. They will label me as a racist, fascist, Nazi-monster as they usually do with everyone who opposes multiculturalism/cultural Marxism. However, since I manifest their worst nightmare (systematical and organized executions of multiculturalist traitors), they will probably just give me the full propaganda rape package and propagate the following accusations: pedophile, engaged in incest activities, homosexual, psycho, ADHD, thief, non-educated, inbred, maniac, insane, monster etc. I will be labeled as the biggest (Nazi-)monster ever witnessed since WW2. I have an extremely strong psyche (stronger than anyone I have ever known) but I am seriously contemplating that it is perhaps biologically impossible to survive the mental, perhaps coupled with physical torture, I will be facing without completely breaking down on a psychological level. I guess I will have to wait and find out.

There is no doubt about it. A right-wing Christian terrorist.

[weemadando]

Allegedly there's a bit in there about explaining changes in habits and behavior by saying that you're playing WoW. Doing overseas travel? Visiting guildies. People ask why you're not hanging around anymore? Doing raids.

[weemadando]

A norweigan posted this on another forum, very inspirational stuff:

In the safest, most boring country, the worst lone gunman shooting happens. The worst in the world, in history. But it will not make our country worse. The safe, boring democracy will supply him with a defense lawyer as is his right. He will not get more than 21 years in prison as is the maximum extent of the law. Our democracy does not allow for enough punishment to satisfy my need for revenge, as is its intention. We will not become worse, we will be better. We lived in a land where this is possible, even easy. And we will keep living in a land where this is possible, even easy. We are open, we are free and we are together. We are vulnerable by choice. And we will keep on like that, that's how we want to live. We will not be worse because of the worst. We must be good because of the best.

FUCK YES.

I want to shake that man's hand.

As someone who grew up in Tassie and went through the shock, dread and other aftermath of Port Arthur ... I'm always glad to see level heads and reason in response yo these events. Be proud of what your country stands for and don't let a terrorist event like this change you.

[Big Orange]

The IRA and UVF were/are Christian terrorists in Northern Ireland, grotesquely mirroring the Shia and Sunni terrorist groups in Iraq after the collapse of Baathism.

[Eleas]

A norweigan posted this on another forum, very inspirational stuff:

In the safest, most boring country, the worst lone gunman shooting happens. The worst in the world, in history. But it will not make our country worse. The safe, boring democracy will supply him with a defense lawyer as is his right. He will not get more than 21 years in prison as is the maximum extent of the law. Our democracy does not allow for enough punishment to satisfy my need for revenge, as is its intention. We will not become worse, we will be better. We lived in a land where this is possible, even easy. And we will keep living in a land where this is possible, even easy. We are open, we are free and we are together. We are vulnerable by choice. And we will keep on like that, that's how we want to live. We will not be worse because of the worst. We must be good because of the best.

Hell yes. Let this attitude become the true legacy of what the asshole did.