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A while back ago I decided to 'ban myself' from posting columnist articles from "Townhall.com" a conservative website that makes finding truly ludicrous and cringe worthy statements like shooting fish in a barrel. Recently however I found an article that I just could NOT pass up. It tells the cautionary tale of how evil Liberal Hollywood is once more trying to brainwash America with leftist propaganda! Yes, thats right AVATAR is nothing more the Liberal brainwashing sending an Anti-American, Anti-capitalist, Anti-Christian message to the youth of the nation!!!

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You probably don't need a long synopsis of James Cameron's half-billion-dollar epic "Avatar," in part because even if you haven't seen it, you've seen it. As many reviewers have noted, Cameron rips off Hollywood cliches to the point you could cut and paste dialogue from "Pocahontas" or "Dances With Wolves" into "Avatar" without appreciably changing the story.


In short, "Avatar" tells the tale of a disabled Marine, Jake Sully, who occupies the body of a 10-foot-tall alien so he can live among the mystical forest denizens of the moon world Pandora. Sully is sent in mufti, like a futuristic Lawrence of Arabia, to further the schemes of the evil corporate nature-rapists desperate to obtain the precious mineral "unobtainium" (no, really). Jake inevitably goes native, embraces the eco-faith of Pandora's Na'Vi inhabitants and their tree goddess, the "all mother," and rallies the Pandoran aborigines (not to mention the Pandoran ecosystem itself) against the evil forces of a thinly veiled 22nd-century combine of Blackwater and Halliburton.

The film has been subjected to a sustained assault from many on the right, most notably by Ross Douthat in the New York Times, as an "apologia for pantheism." Douthat's criticisms hit the mark, but the most relevant point was raised by John Podhoretz in the Weekly Standard. Cameron wrote "Avatar," says Podhoretz, "not to be controversial, but quite the opposite: He was making something he thought would be most pleasing to the greatest number of people."

What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.

Of course, that sounds outlandish and absurd, but that's the point, isn't it? We live in an age in which it's the norm to speak glowingly of spirituality but derisively of traditional religion. If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests. Make the oversized Smurfs Rousseauian noble savages and everyone nods along, save for a few cranky right-wingers.

I'm certainly one of those cranky right-wingers, though I probably enjoyed the movie as cinematic escapism as much as the next guy.

But what I find interesting about the film is how what is "pleasing to the most people" is so unapologetically religious.

Nicholas Wade's new book, "The Faith Instinct," lucidly compiles the scientific evidence that humans are hard-wired to believe in the transcendent. That transcendence can be divine or simply Kantian, a notion of something unknowable from mere experience. Either way, in the words of philosopher Will Herberg, "Man is homo religiosus, by 'nature' religious: as much as he needs food to eat or air to breathe, he needs a faith for living."

Wade argues that the Darwinian evolution of man depended not only on individual natural selection but also on the natural selection of groups. And groups that subscribe to a religious worldview are more apt to survive -- and hence pass on their genes. Religious rules impose moral norms that facilitate collective survival in the name of a "cause larger than yourself," as we say today. No wonder everything from altruism to martyrdom are part of nearly every faith.

The faith instinct may be baked into our genes, but it is also profoundly malleable. Robespierre, the French revolutionary who wanted to replace Christianity with a new "age of reason," emphatically sought to exploit what he called the "religious instinct which imprints upon our souls the idea of a sanction given to moral precepts by a power that is higher than man."

Many environmentalists are open about their desire to turn their cause into a religious imperative akin to the plight of the Na'Vi, hence Al Gore's uncontroversial insistence that global warming is a "spiritual challenge to all of humanity." The symbolism and rhetoric behind Barack Obama's campaign was overtly religious at times, as when he proclaimed that "we are the ones we've been waiting for" -- a line that could have come straight out of the mouths of Cameron's Na'Vi.

What I find fascinating, and infuriating, is how the culture-war debate is routinely described by antagonists on both sides as a conflict between the religious and the un-religious. The faith instinct manifests itself across the ideological spectrum, even if it masquerades as something else.

On the right, many conservatives have been trying to fashion what might be called theological diversity amid moral unity. Culturally conservative Catholics, Protestants and -- increasingly -- Jews find common cause. The left is undergoing a similar process, but the terms of the debate are far more inchoate and fluid. What is not happening is a similar effort between left and right, which is why the culture war, like the faith instinct, isn't going away any time soon.
And of course, if I am going to post an article from Townhall, I might as well go thorugh the whole 9Yards and post some of the more wonderful clips form the Comments section...
The following as always make oyu wonder if any of these people ever saw the Movie, are are just repeating what they read form their last right-wing bullet-points E-mail
Hollywoodhas turned into a bunch of lunatic fringe radical leftwing socialist extremist. Seems every movie coming out of this cesspool these days has an underlying message of anti-capitalism and ant-christianity. Who are these demons who sit around and come up with this garbage? Michael Moron Moore, Oliver Stonehead Stone, James Cameron.
The special effects are fantastic. The message is, as Jonah points out, dredged up liberal pap.
Nobody in hollywood wants to hear a story about American values. But Americans might.
Unlike the wildly popular Christian movies that use values to drive the story, Cameron must use special effects to sugar coat a nasty message.
I was going to boycott Avatar, but then I got a letter from the Obama Stimulus Police saying I had to go because otherwise I was not holding up my end of the bargain and would need to be re-educated in Uncle Barry's Summer Camp for Right-Wing Nuts™.
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Each country must be thought of as a Darwinian experiment in natural selection/survival of the fittest. If the USA doesn't rule the world, it will only be someone worse - like RCB says, murderers who have substituted the false God of the State for the Loving God of Creation.

Societies that so tolerate every conceivable feelgood impulse do not last. They have to stand for something to build and survive in a hostile world. Widespread encouragement of homosexuality marks the end of the national traits of character necessary for survival. What have homos built? NAMBLA (and quilts I suppose). What else do homos do in society? Destroy everything they touch.

I don't fault David #11 above, and Cameron, and the ex-nihilistic American left for taking their first tentative steps on their spiritual journeys. What do primatives always worship? rocks, trees, sky, etc. Then they evolve through human and animal sacrifice through to Christ -some being sidetracked by False Gods such as "All Mother" .

Ever notice how the Gaia movement has recreated Old and New Testaments? State of Grace, Fall (internal combustion), Profi{phe}ts (Algore), and Redemption via Sacraments (recycling, light bulbs), and a Saviour (Gene Shoemaker). It fails because it doesn't require the difficult choices necessary for character formation. And it ends up being just another mass murderer: Ban DDT for ZERO scientific reason - kill 2 million/year. Ah, yes, the American left does love its eugenics.

Is it not obvious that if God's Kingdom is to be brought forth on Earth, it is through the Christian nation USA. What other nation wins a war, and gives the spoils back to the people we've emancipated. To those who would criticize the US, what nation has done our equal?
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You know, these are extactly the kinds of people I can see offering English schools and roads and Jesus to the Na'Vi and then wondering why the blue aliens don't want to give up their home in exchange for those wonderful gifts!
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Plot for Avatar 2 being Christian missionaries trying to convert the Na'Vi confirmed.
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The film has been subjected to a sustained assault from many on the right, most notably by Ross Douthat in the New York Times, as an "apologia for pantheism."
Really? A movie where the natives worshipped a single diety that had power over all living things?
Cameron wrote "Avatar," says Podhoretz, "not to be controversial, but quite the opposite: He was making something he thought would be most pleasing to the greatest number of people."
I think this is true (he did need to recoup costs after all). Of course the fact that people are complaining about it means that it still pissed off some people.
What would have been controversial is if -- somehow -- Cameron had made a movie in which the good guys accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts.
Or the villians. Of course it doesn't fit with the plot at all and doesn't work well with any current version of heroism.
We live in an age in which it's the norm to speak glowingly of spirituality but derisively of traditional religion. If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests. Make the oversized Smurfs Rousseauian noble savages and everyone nods along, save for a few cranky right-wingers.
No, it isn't just Roman Catholicism- any major religion would generate the same effect. Note the only reason the Navi religion is accepted is because it is correct.
That transcendence can be divine or simply Kantian, a notion of something unknowable from mere experience. Either way, in the words of philosopher Will Herberg, "Man is homo religiosus, by 'nature' religious: as much as he needs food to eat or air to breathe, he needs a faith for living."
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Some of us try not to be anything at all like that.
And groups that subscribe to a religious worldview are more apt to survive -- and hence pass on their genes. Religious rules impose moral norms that facilitate collective survival in the name of a "cause larger than yourself," as we say today. No wonder everything from altruism to martyrdom are part of nearly every faith.
Except that the majority of our evolutionary history as humans was as hunter gatherers and they are not noted for the idea of a cause larger than themselves.
What I find fascinating, and infuriating, is how the culture-war debate is routinely described by antagonists on both sides as a conflict between the religious and the un-religious. The faith instinct manifests itself across the ideological spectrum, even if it masquerades as something else.
Because a large section of the left is secular and does not use religion as a justification for its actions.

As for the last comment... wow. I love the evolution of religious beliefs. About the only thing close to sensible might be the comment on DDT, but everything else in there makes my brain hurt.
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And yet again, I am embarrassed by my fellow Christians lack of wits. :cry:
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Guys, this:

But Americans might.
Unlike the wildly popular Christian movies that use values to drive the story, Cameron must use special effects to sugar coat a nasty message.


Seriously?
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Wait, "wildly popular Christian movies"? Well, there was Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, but I'm having trouble naming a second one that was significantly popular.
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Obviously he meant "wildly popular Christian movies[--well, for Christian movies, anyway...]"

That or he's just an imbecile. Who would've thought?
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Wait, "wildly popular Christian movies"? Well, there was Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, but I'm having trouble naming a second one that was significantly popular.
Ben Hur for one, though it came out in the fifties.
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The only 'Wildly Popular Christian Movie' I can think of is the new Narnia franchise, and even that's stretching it. Christians do many things well, but making entertaining movies with broad market appeal isn't one of them.
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Maybe he's thinking of the Kirk Cameron movies on the Left Behind series?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:The only 'Wildly Popular Christian Movie' I can think of is the new Narnia franchise, and even that's stretching it. Christians do many things well, but making entertaining movies with broad market appeal isn't one of them.
I don't know about that. I'm sure a director who goes to church every Sunday can still make a good movie; Mel Gibson's a radically conservative Catholic in many ways, but Braveheart had mass appeal. "Christian movies" like that Kirk Cameron shit won't ever have broad appeal, but all that proves is that those movies are crap. To accept that statement, you have concede the definition of the word Christian to the fundamentalists, and I don't think there's any reason to do that.
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LadyTevar wrote:Maybe he's thinking of the Kirk Cameron movies on the Left Behind series?
I doubt it could be called a success when LaHaye and that other writer sued the producers (apparently for the film not being a blockbuster or whatever).
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There's the Fireproof film that opened to more than 800 theaters and grossed over $30m.
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If the Na'Vi were Roman Catholics, there would be boycotts and protests. Make the oversized Smurfs Rousseauian noble savages and everyone nods along, save for a few cranky right-wingers.
I doubt aliens with a Crystal Dragon Jesus religion would have been as badly recieved as this guy thinks. Look at nBSG.
Nicholas Wade's new book, "The Faith Instinct," lucidly compiles the scientific evidence that humans are hard-wired to believe in the transcendent. That transcendence can be divine or simply Kantian, a notion of something unknowable from mere experience. Either way, in the words of philosopher Will Herberg, "Man is homo religiosus, by 'nature' religious: as much as he needs food to eat or air to breathe, he needs a faith for living."

Wade argues that the Darwinian evolution of man depended not only on individual natural selection but also on the natural selection of groups. And groups that subscribe to a religious worldview are more apt to survive -- and hence pass on their genes. Religious rules impose moral norms that facilitate collective survival in the name of a "cause larger than yourself," as we say today. No wonder everything from altruism to martyrdom are part of nearly every faith.
Because you can't possibly get those things in a philosophy that isn't centered on sucking some imaginary being's cock. Oh wait. I also like the usual naturalistic fallacy that if religion comes naturally to us this makes it somehow good as opposed to our brains being badly designed.
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On this I actually think he may be touching on something legitimate; I've said before that some themes of the lunatic fringe of the environmental movement do remind me more than a bit of Christian doomsayers. There's the sneering at the sinful and decadent masses and anticipation of the day when their sinful decadence will make the gods come down and put the arrogant mortals in their place Peak Oil/Global Warming/what have you will ruin our shit for starters. I think it comes down to the same kind of personality type being expressed in different ways. Namely arrogant assholes with a poor appreciation of nuance who like to believe they are superior to the muggles and are drawn to simplistic morality like consumption somehow being inherently evil as opposed to something we should moderate for utilitarian reasons. Both movements have pretty generous doses of reactionary luddism in there too.
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What I don't get is... what does the article mean by "apologists for pantheism"?

What do pantheists need to be apologizing for..?
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Samuel wrote:
The film has been subjected to a sustained assault from many on the right, most notably by Ross Douthat in the New York Times, as an "apologia for pantheism."
Really? A movie where the natives worshipped a single diety that had power over all living things?
If the deity is not clearly depicted as the Christian God then they are clearly a pantheist pagan blood cult ready to serve up their next offering to Baal, didn't you get the memo?
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Garlak wrote:What do pantheists need to be apologizing for..?
Being heathens? :?
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Garlak wrote:What I don't get is... what does the article mean by "apologists for pantheism"?

What do pantheists need to be apologizing for..?
Not sure if you're just being sarcastic, but apologetics means to argue in favor of, not necessarily saying you're sorry.
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Yeah, but the word is used connotatively in cases where you're arguing for someone who does have something to apologize for, even if only "look, I know you think I'm a completely outmoded idea, but..."

Thus, when C.S. Lewis is called a "Christian apologist," as opposed to a "thinker" or "theologian" or whatever, it's a pretty good sign that whoever did the calling is fairly deep in the secular-rationalist camp.
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Actually, the original meaning of "apologist" is "someone who speaks in defense of", or just "defender". The connotation that the person is defending something outmoded or wrong is relatively recent. In particular, the term "Christian apologetics" derives from the older meaning; it is not a derogatory term created by non-believers. It is also distinct from "Christian theologian", since the former is specifically concerned with justification for belief, while the latter is not. Hence a Christian theologian might analyze the minutia of the Sermon on the Mount for a practicing Christian, while a Christian apologist would argue that Jesus was genuinely the son of God.
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Hmm. OK, I'm wrong.

That said, the "defender" aspect still tends to shade into "you have something to apologize for" territory. Ideas and historical figures that are widely considered above reproach will have few apologists, because their record is quite capable of defending itself, with no help from new specialists. Ideas and people that do have lots of apologists are likely to be the ones with a checkered reputation, such that a person would have seemingly compelling reasons not to like them.

For instance, in today's age of rationalism, Christianity finds itself in need of apologists (like Lewis) to a degree far greater than it did in previous eras when it was better respected by the general public.

So when some fundie talks about "apologists for pantheism," there's still a reasonable question "what would the apologists feel obliged to defend about it?"
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Simon_Jester wrote:Thus, when C.S. Lewis is called a "Christian apologist," as opposed to a "thinker" or "theologian" or whatever, it's a pretty good sign that whoever did the calling is fairly deep in the secular-rationalist camp.
That would come as a fairly big surprise to the many Christians who refer to him as an Apologist and who read Apologetics, which incidentally is a huge genre. Also you got [url="http://www.carm.org/]Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry[/url] who, from their intro, don't really seem to be on the liberal side of things. Better yet apologetics.org which specifically refers to C.S. Lewis and his works, if you're interested in the more moderate (though apparently still anti-Darwinian) approach to things.

Moreover Apologetics has nothing to do with the word apology, it simply means that you defend a certain point of view in an argument of long standing. Thus you could easily speak of apologetics for evolution, which is what you are doing everytime you argue against creationism, would you say that you then apologise for evolution? This is the sort of linguistic slovenliness that has people fired for saying niggardly.
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Norseman wrote:Moreover Apologetics has nothing to do with the word apology, it simply means that you defend a certain point of view in an argument of long standing. Thus you could easily speak of apologetics for evolution, which is what you are doing everytime you argue against creationism, would you say that you then apologise for evolution? This is the sort of linguistic slovenliness that has people fired for saying niggardly.
I disagree; it's more like "gay", the most common meaning of which evolved over time. The word "apologist" may not have originally had anything to do with "apology", and it still may not with the people who apply it to themselves; but to many other people the meaning "someone who apologizes for the flaws of religion" just fits too well. Plenty of people us "apologist" that way, and are understood to have meant it that way and not using the classic meaning.

Firing people over "niggardly" however is different, because the meaning of the word hasn't changed.
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JLTucker wrote:There's the Fireproof film that opened to more than 800 theaters and grossed over $30m.
So, about as much as Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back then?
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