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Knife wrote:He conceded, so I won't belabor the point. However, his defense of Palin seems to underscore Palin's own insecurities. She really can't handle either criticism nor investigation inherent in politics. She really wasn't ready for prime time, either by being up to date on actual issues nor have her ego in check enough to whether political discourse.
Imagine if McCain had actually won the election. His administration would be so mired in Palin's scandals that they'd practically be useless.
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I would assume that McCain would have HAD to either limit her exposure to and from the halls of power or would have had to quietly ask her for her resignation by now. That said, her problems would have massively spilled out to him too and he'd have quite the headache over it. Again, she was really not ready for prime time and national level politics. She seems to not even have been ready for state level politics. I guess you can make the assumption, her being a former beauty queen, she was used to people liking her and not used to stiff (no pun intended) opposition in the political sense. If I have read the political climate right in Alaska for the last few years, she rose fairly quickly and while had to suffer some political fighting, it was mostly inner party (GOP) strife and not much real opposition; you can correct me if I am wrong. She was basically just in the right place at the right time rather than a hard, down and dirty fight to power.

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Nothing about Palin seems particularly surprising. There are plenty of regional politicians who would fall apart on the national stage, in part because their local constituencies often excuse behaviour that would be found unacceptable or even illegal when subjected to wider scrutiny. Just look at Joe Arpaio in Arizona.

The real question is why anyone in the Republican party actually thought she would make it on the national stage. You need only listen to her for five minutes to realize she sounds like an idiot and is incapable of any kind of free-form discussion on any topic of importance. Without pre-chewed talking points, she can't keep her empty little head above water.
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Well, i guess she was intended mostly as window-dressing. You know, they already had an "wise expert"-type with McCain, so they did not need a second one.

Palin is always remebering me of Edmund Stoiber - he was Ministerpräsident (comparable to Governor) of Bavaria for 14 years, and then he wanted to go into national politics and ran for Bundeskanzler (somewhat comparable to President) - and failed utterly.
Just as Palin, he can not give a coherent speech (he is worse at it than Bush was), has zero charisma and is often seen as stupid. While i think he is not that stupid, he was totally outclassed inh national politics - and unlike Palin, he had previous experinence with those (states have more influence on national politics in Germany).

Unlike Palin, he managed to get out without ruining his career. His party lies in ruins (but still gets over 50% in bavarian elections - the CSU (christian social union/party) has won every elecion since 1957), he is not as influental as before, but he managed to become an EU commissioner.
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Darth Wong wrote:The real question is why anyone in the Republican party actually thought she would make it on the national stage. You need only listen to her for five minutes to realize she sounds like an idiot and is incapable of any kind of free-form discussion on any topic of importance. Without pre-chewed talking points, she can't keep her empty little head above water.
Looking at things in hindsight, I am convinced that she was added to Mc Cains ticket PURELY to shore up Republican voters. Looking at the polls before the convention and before she was announced, Mc Cain Clearly looked doomed. Mostly because a Large amount of far right Republicans simply didn't trust him.

Enter Palin, a Far Right Fundi, a Women, a "folksi" independent gun loving governor with lots of "real world experience" In a nut shell, Everything the far right see Mc Cain as NOT being.

Overnight Mc Cains approval rating sore, the amount on the far right who say the aren't going to vote for Mc Cain all but evaporates in a matter of days. In the days the follow Mc Cain looks strong and suddenly seems to have a chance to Catch Obama.

So IMHO, Palin was never about anything other then a pure publicity stunt to shore up his base. In that regard she worked, if Mc Cain picked virtually anyone else, save a true far right wacko like Palin, I would wager Big Money that his defeat wold have been Even Larger. So in a nut shell Palin was from the start, nothing more then a "Hail Merry Pass" that worked just long enough to make Mc Cain seem credible again. I
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The real question is why anyone in the Republican party actually thought she would make it on the national stage. You need only listen to her for five minutes to realize she sounds like an idiot and is incapable of any kind of free-form discussion on any topic of importance. Without pre-chewed talking points, she can't keep her empty little head above water.
Looking at things in hindsight, I am convinced that she was added to Mc Cains ticket PURELY to shore up Republican voters. Looking at the polls before the convention and before she was announced, Mc Cain Clearly looked doomed. Mostly because a Large amount of far right Republicans simply didn't trust him.

Enter Palin, a Far Right Fundi, a Women, a "folksi" independent gun loving governor with lots of "real world experience" In a nut shell, Everything the far right see Mc Cain as NOT being.

Overnight Mc Cains approval rating sore, the amount on the far right who say the aren't going to vote for Mc Cain all but evaporates in a matter of days. In the days the follow Mc Cain looks strong and suddenly seems to have a chance to Catch Obama.

So IMHO, Palin was never about anything other then a pure publicity stunt to shore up his base. In that regard she worked, if Mc Cain picked virtually anyone else, save a true far right wacko like Palin, I would wager Big Money that his defeat wold have been Even Larger. So in a nut shell Palin was from the start, nothing more then a "Hail Merry Pass" that worked just long enough to make Mc Cain seem credible again. I
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Darth Wong wrote: There was no shortage of Bible thumpers in the Republican Party which he could have chosen to shore up his base. Palin's only particular advantage was her gender.
Also probably the only one dumb enough to jump at being McCain's veep. For most anyone else in the Republican party who was actually qualified being his running mate would have been a massive blotch on their record in the eyes of their party, if not a political death sentence.
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IIRC, Palin had been 'discovered' by Bill Kristol on one of those National Review/Weekly Standard 'getaway cruises' and was heavily pushed as VP by him as a means to connect with the Repub 'social conservatives' who by and large didn't trust nor like John McCain.

IOW, Palin was all about shoring up the Repub social/religious conservative base along with the novelty factor of being a female Republican VP candidate.
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They probably really wanted someone they thought they could rely on to push the party line, after the scare they had with McCain trying to get Lieberman for his VP candidate.
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Uraniun235 wrote:They probably really wanted someone they thought they could rely on to push the party line, after the scare they had with McCain trying to get Lieberman for his VP candidate.
They also needed someone who made it look like the Republicans weren't exclusively the Rich White Man party.
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Uraniun235 wrote:They probably really wanted someone they thought they could rely on to push the party line, after the scare they had with McCain trying to get Lieberman for his VP candidate.
They also needed someone who made it look like the Republicans weren't exclusively the Rich White Man party.
So they picked a Rich White Woman who was also a) stupid and b) crazy. Sometimes, the comedy just writes itself.
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Serafina wrote:Well, i guess she was intended mostly as window-dressing. You know, they already had an "wise expert"-type with McCain, so they did not need a second one.

Palin is always remebering me of Edmund Stoiber - he was Ministerpräsident (comparable to Governor) of Bavaria for 14 years, and then he wanted to go into national politics and ran for Bundeskanzler (somewhat comparable to President) - and failed utterly.
Just as Palin, he can not give a coherent speech (he is worse at it than Bush was), has zero charisma and is often seen as stupid. While i think he is not that stupid, he was totally outclassed inh national politics - and unlike Palin, he had previous experinence with those (states have more influence on national politics in Germany).

Unlike Palin, he managed to get out without ruining his career. His party lies in ruins (but still gets over 50% in bavarian elections - the CSU (christian social union/party) has won every elecion since 1957), he is not as influental as before, but he managed to become an EU commissioner.
You're being quite unfair to Stoiber - he actually is a great manager and one of the smartest persons I have ever met. I may not like the guy, but he is definitely way smarter than Palin - for one, he aced his university exams with a score that less than 0.02% of students in his field manage. And that was in law. Also, under his leadership, his state became the best-situated state in Germany.

So yeah, please don't insult him by comparing him to Palin.
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Thanas wrote:
Serafina wrote:Well, i guess she was intended mostly as window-dressing. You know, they already had an "wise expert"-type with McCain, so they did not need a second one.

Palin is always remebering me of Edmund Stoiber - he was Ministerpräsident (comparable to Governor) of Bavaria for 14 years, and then he wanted to go into national politics and ran for Bundeskanzler (somewhat comparable to President) - and failed utterly.
Just as Palin, he can not give a coherent speech (he is worse at it than Bush was), has zero charisma and is often seen as stupid. While i think he is not that stupid, he was totally outclassed inh national politics - and unlike Palin, he had previous experinence with those (states have more influence on national politics in Germany).

Unlike Palin, he managed to get out without ruining his career. His party lies in ruins (but still gets over 50% in bavarian elections - the CSU (christian social union/party) has won every elecion since 1957), he is not as influental as before, but he managed to become an EU commissioner.
You're being quite unfair to Stoiber - he actually is a great manager and one of the smartest persons I have ever met. I may not like the guy, but he is definitely way smarter than Palin - for one, he aced his university exams with a score that less than 0.02% of students in his field manage. And that was in law. Also, under his leadership, his state became the best-situated state in Germany.

So yeah, please don't insult him by comparing him to Palin.
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Well, it seems mys post has been cut of for some reason (propably my own stupidity :? )

Well, thats what it was supposed to look like:
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Serafina wrote:Well, i guess she was intended mostly as window-dressing. You know, they already had an "wise expert"-type with McCain, so they did not need a second one.

Palin is always remebering me of Edmund Stoiber - he was Ministerpräsident (comparable to Governor) of Bavaria for 14 years, and then he wanted to go into national politics and ran for Bundeskanzler (somewhat comparable to President) - and failed utterly.
Just as Palin, he can not give a coherent speech (he is worse at it than Bush was), has zero charisma and is often seen as stupid. While i think he is not that stupid, he was totally outclassed inh national politics - and unlike Palin, he had previous experinence with those (states have more influence on national politics in Germany).

Unlike Palin, he managed to get out without ruining his career. His party lies in ruins (but still gets over 50% in bavarian elections - the CSU (christian social union/party) has won every elecion since 1957), he is not as influental as before, but he managed to become an EU commissioner.
You're being quite unfair to Stoiber - he actually is a great manager and one of the smartest persons I have ever met. I may not like the guy, but he is definitely way smarter than Palin - for one, he aced his university exams with a score that less than 0.02% of students in his field manage. And that was in law. Also, under his leadership, his state became the best-situated state in Germany.

So yeah, please don't insult him by comparing him to Palin.

Um...i actually wanted to write that he is not as stupid as he seems to be (and i did in a short sentence)
While i think he is not that stupid
I may not approve of his actions, but at least he had few major screwups (Transrapid; JJ1, smoking law) - and those were due to ideology, not bad management.

He just reminded me of Palin due to his social skills - after all, he WAS infamous for them.

But you are right, comparing him to Palin IS unfair, not that i think about it.

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Here's Palin's resignation speech, as read by William Shatner:

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Elfdart wrote:Here's Palin's resignation speech, as read by William Shatner:

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Elfdart wrote:Here's Palin's resignation speech, as read by William Shatner:

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Youtube for those outside the US that can't get Hulu. I caught the last half of her speech last night on the Cobert show and he did a good bit on how she wrote it. He pulled random words out of a hat and strung them into a speech. Which is pretty much what she sounded like.
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Palin reminds me of the Australian politician Pauline Hanson. It always struck me the neither one was really ready for what they tried to do.
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