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Canadian/US Border Town Security 'Concern'

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Saw a report about this on one of the evening news programs in the US tonight, though the only recent story/commentary I could find was from The Telegraph's site:
America's frontier plan verges on absurd

By Philip Sherwell in Derby Line, Vermont, Sunday Telegraph

Last Updated: 1:17am BST 15/07/2007

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Dividing line: Kathy Prue is in the US, while Mary Roy is in Canada

Straddling the US-Canadian border, the elegant granite edifice of the Haskell Library and Opera House has served as a symbol of cross-border amity since 1901.

Patrons from both sides of the border enter the building in America, but check out their books from the desk in Canada. And for next month's Frank Sinatra tribute in the auditorium, half the guests will be sitting in the United States as a performer croons on stage in Canada.

The neighbouring streets seamlessly link the village of Derby Line in the northeastern US state of Vermont and its sister community of Stanstead in Quebec. Families here are often split by what has long been regarded as one of the world's friendliest frontiers.

But this bucolic and sleepy corner of the world is now the latest - and rather implausible - front line in the war on terror as America tries to secure its borders in the post-September 11 world.

Border officials want to block the open streets to stop illegal crossings - to the anger of locals who for generations have hopped across the frontier without a second thought.

The official reason is to halt trafficking of illegal immigrants, but the backdrop is the growing US concern about the danger that terrorists might slip across its porous, and often ill-marked, 5,525-mile northern border.

Canada's more liberal immigration laws are viewed with suspicion by some in the Bush administration, especially as the country last year uncovered a terror plot in Toronto, hatched by a group of Muslim immigrants.

The joint American-Canadian International Border Enforcement Team has now asked officials in Derby Line and Stanstead to come up with proposals for blocking vehicle traffic.

"We are doing ourselves a disservice in the protection of our country and our citizens if we leave these streets open," said Rosendo Hinojosa, the acting border patrol chief. "This is a possible port of entry for terrorists and their weapons and we have to make sure it is not exploited."

But Keith Beadle, one of Derby Line's three village trustees and himself a former US customs inspector who lives on a street that would be blocked, calls the proposals an "over-reaction".

"Times have changed for sure, but the border patrol also has more manpower and technology than before. This measure would just push the problem into the countryside, which is harder to patrol," he said.

"If you give up a freedom like this, you'll never get it back. It seems that all people have to say now is 9/11 to justify a crackdown. And you are made to look un-American if you disagree."

The US border patrol caught 56,883 people trying to slip into America from Canada between 2001 and last year - most from countries where it is easier to obtain a Canadian visa than one for America.

Attention has focused on Derby Line since border agents pulled over two van drivers on the street next to the library recently and found 21 illegal immigrants, mainly from Pakistan, Afghanistan and India. On the very night earlier this month that locals gathered at the opera house to complain to border agents about the new plans, two human traffickers were caught with two illegal immigrants on a nearby street.

Road signs instruct drivers who cross the frontier here to head first to the local US and Canadian border posts, to register. Patrols enforce the policy, alerted to border crossings by closed circuit cameras that set off an alarm, but there is clearly scope for getting round the safeguards.

Under the new proposals, the roads would be blocked to vehicles - possibly by reinforced flower pots - forcing locals to detour to the nearby official crossing point.

The building is demarcated by a strip of black tape. Checking out books behind the front desk (just inside Canada), librarians Mary Roy and Kathy Prue are testament to how fused the two communities are - Mrs Roy is an American whose children were born in Canada; her friend is a Canadian whose children were born in the US.

"This is a tiny little place and people have got along just fine here for years," said Mrs Roy. "It really does strike people here as a bit over the top."

Even pinpointing the border is difficult. Halfway along a quiet residential street lined with manicured lawns and wood and brick homes, a US border patrolman could only tell The Sunday Telegraph that the international boundary was "somewhere down this road, but I'm not exactly sure where".
Posted without any other comment but to say that I intend to visit this place someday! Hopefully before they start closing the streets. :roll:
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"If you give up a freedom like this, you'll never get it back. It seems that all people have to say now is 9/11 to justify a crackdown. And you are made to look un-American if you disagree."
I have to say that is seemingly ridiculous practice is becoming disturbingly more and more acceptable in North American policy these days. I guess it's been criticized to death around here, but for it to be pulled out yet again in this cirumstance is rather sickening.
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Adept wrote:
"If you give up a freedom like this, you'll never get it back. It seems that all people have to say now is 9/11 to justify a crackdown. And you are made to look un-American if you disagree."
I have to say that is seemingly ridiculous practice is becoming disturbingly more and more acceptable in North American policy these days. I guess it's been criticized to death around here, but for it to be pulled out yet again in this cirumstance is rather sickening.
I think it's more US political behavior as opposed to North American to be disparaging those who question anything remotely related to The War On Terror or whatever the hackneyed buzzwords are that they are using to describe it these days.

In any case, from what I've seen and read related to the story, none of the two towns' residents in interested in blocking off the streets, including the US residents. No one really seems to see this issue as an issue at all, other than the government.

It's not as if there are no other places to sneak across, especially where there isn't a town or other settlement, where the residents might take notice.
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I think it's more US political behavior as opposed to North American to be disparaging those who question anything remotely related to The War On Terror or whatever the hackneyed buzzwords are that they are using to describe it these days.
Indeed. I guess I mentioned "North American policy" because I feel the reality is that the US dominates most of the significant decisions that affect the continent, even in dealings with Mexico and Canada.

This whole episode and article, however, reminded me also of the disturbing number of Americans who still are labouring under the delusion that some of the 9/11 hijackers entered the States via Canada. Even when confronted by Ashcroft's report confirming that NONE of the hijackers entered from Canada, suspicious delusion is still leveled our way.
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This whole episode and article, however, reminded me also of the disturbing number of Americans who still are labouring under the delusion that some of the 9/11 hijackers entered the States via Canada. Even when confronted by Ashcroft's report confirming that NONE of the hijackers entered from Canada, suspicious delusion is still leveled our way.
Colour (heh ;)) me cynical, but I think there are certain parties in our government who focus on the 'problem' with the Canadian border to both justify the inaction WRT and distract attention from fixing the very real problems we have on our southern border.

Because if we had effective controls on our southern border, then businesses would be forced to pay higher wages to attract and keep workers, and we can't have that, can we? :roll:
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I think a better solution would be to have the entrances and exit's to the town controlled rather then start blocking off streets. freedom to travel everywhere in the town....
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Six years ago, there was a terror plot to crash four planes into four buildings. The plan goes off without a hitch.

Last year, there was a terror plot to blow something up in Toronto. The plot failed because the perpetrators were arrested before they could do any damage.

And we're the security risk?
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The joint American-Canadian International Border Enforcement Team has now asked officials in Derby Line and Stanstead to come up with proposals for blocking vehicle traffic.
How about building a wall, just like in Berlin? :roll:

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Of course they should build a wall. Thick enough to keep those dangerous liberal commie thoughts out....
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Why is the government insisting on this waste of resources?

Alternatively why don't they do what would be necessary to peacefully assimilate Canada into the US?

The long-term benefits would be worth it, and in the short-term Canada is no longer a "security risk" or whatever.

Worst case, we can just dust off War Plan Crimson and do things the quicker but more difficult way.
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Uh... because Canada is a sovereign nation that is not responsible to bow and scrape to appease the United States?

Are you fucking serious?
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I have a feeling that all this "suspicion" the Bush Administration has of Canada is an example of inactivity used as a substitute for activity....
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Howedar wrote:Uh... because Canada is a sovereign nation that is not responsible to bow and scrape to appease the United States?

Are you fucking serious?
There is a small movement for it - I personally would just like to see such a left swing in the U.S. Congress. Id get a kick out of it.
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FedRebel wrote:Why is the government insisting on this waste of resources?

Alternatively why don't they do what would be necessary to peacefully assimilate Canada into the US?

The long-term benefits would be worth it, and in the short-term Canada is no longer a "security risk" or whatever.

Worst case, we can just dust off War Plan Crimson and do things the quicker but more difficult way.
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Alternatively why don't they do what would be necessary to peacefully assimilate Canada into the US?

The long-term benefits would be worth it, and in the short-term Canada is no longer a "security risk" or whatever.
Nothing against Americans by this comment, but you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming to "assimilate" me into America. No fucking way! Canada is far ahead of the US in many social ways. Just as one example, I can get married here to my male partner and it's completely legal and of equal standing to a heterosexual marriage. In the States? Only in Massachusetts and everywhere else I"d be considered "invalid". Fuck that, you can take the US and their religious theocracy based laws and shove it up your ass.
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Glocksman wrote:Colour (heh ;)) me cynical, but I think there are certain parties in our government who focus on the 'problem' with the Canadian border to both justify the inaction WRT and distract attention from fixing the very real problems we have on our southern border.
I think some groups also make a few token gestures in the direction of having the Canadian border monitored so they don't get called racist for wanting to lock down the Mexican border entirely.
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Yes, if I were a terrorist smuggling something dangerous into the country, I'd totally do so through a tourist trap like that town. :roll:
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Howedar wrote:Uh... because Canada is a sovereign nation that is not responsible to bow and scrape to appease the United States?

Are you fucking serious?
He probably thinks that Canadians would be overjoyed to become part of the United States. Because, you know, everyone in the world secretly wants to be an American and will embrace Americanism with open arms if they only get the chance. That's the premise beneath the Iraq War after all.
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