using surgical/double agent tatics does st stand a chance???

[HolyReaperX01]

myself being a major stargate fan have come to appreciate the military capabilities of a civilisation w/ inferior technology vs. a civilisation w/ superior technology if allainces are made with the right people and the right tatics are use...

in my opinion the only real use of the federation would be to distract the Empire and use their peace-making skills to ally the rebels...the real fighting force would be left to the klingons and romulans....possibly w/ the borg trying to assimulate everyone both sw and st... the klingons and romulans would probably make some superweapons[at least in st standards] and amass a large fleet[again in st standards] the romulans going for the strategical points of conflict while the klingons[with there whole honor system and everything] would distract the Empire w/ a full on assualt...the Federation would work w/ the rebellion while simultaniously trying to negoitiate w/ the Empire...now i believe w/ that st stilll doesn't stand a chance worth sh*t but but it's better than what the trekkie fantasy people come up w/...

[Kartr_Kana]

they're not a distraction they're the bug on the windshield. Same goes for the Klingons, Romulans and everyone else.

The Romulans lack the speed to do any sort of surgical strikes and that's even if their cloak works. That is highly unlikely since subspace sensors we're last used IIRC by Xim the Despot, and have been replaced by even more powerful sensor systems.

The Klingons suffer the same cloaking problem and rush into massed turbolaser fire and are promptly atomized.

The Feddies abhor the Empire and it's capitalism, not to mention it's warlike nature. Plus they're not to happy about the slavery and genocide either. The Empire sees the UFP as a small sector state easily gobbled up for it's resources.

About the only thing the ST universe is good for is giving the Rebels another place to hid and a recruitment base.

[Ender]

myself being a major stargate fan have come to appreciate the military capabilities of a civilisation w/ inferior technology vs. a civilisation w/ superior technology if allainces are made with the right people and the right tatics are use...

Yeah, look at how the Arabs wiped out Israel. Wait a second...
Try breaking out a history book instead of a TV space opera. I haven't even read the rest of your post yet, this bit was just so dumb it needed to be smacked around first.

in my opinion the only real use of the federation would be to distract the Empire and use their peace-making skills to ally the rebels...the real fighting force would be left to the klingons and romulans....possibly w/ the borg trying to assimulate everyone both sw and st... the klingons and romulans would probably make some superweapons[at least in st standards] and amass a large fleet[again in st standards] the romulans going for the strategical points of conflict while the klingons[with there whole honor system and everything] would distract the Empire w/ a full on assualt...the Federation would work w/ the rebellion while simultaniously trying to negoitiate w/ the Empire...now i believe w/ that st stilll doesn't stand a chance worth sh*t but but it's better than what the trekkie fantasy people come up w/...

I fail to see why over running the Klingons or Romulans would be any more difficult for the Empire than it would be for them to take out the Federation. I think you do not grasp the difference in scale or capabilities here. Try reading this and understand that this is a comparison to a troop transport and a top of the line ST warship. SW warships are literally thousands of times more powerful than their transports, so the disparity is even worse.

[Samuel]

myself being a major stargate fan have come to appreciate the military capabilities of a civilisation w/ inferior technology vs. a civilisation w/ superior technology if allainces are made with the right people and the right tatics are use...

You mean with sides that have tech parity like the Asgard?

Of course, as Ender stated, the Egyptians did that with the Soviets (to fight Isreal) and it didn't work so well.

in my opinion the only real use of the federation would be to distract the Empire and use their peace-making skills to ally the rebels

How are they even going to learn about their existance?

[PeZook]

How is Stargate even an analogy to this conflict? The underlying strategic realities are completely different, and have nothing to do with some sort of inherent capabilities of lower tech civs vs. more advanced opponents...

[NecronLord]

myself being a major stargate fan have come to appreciate the military capabilities of a civilisation w/ inferior technology vs. a civilisation w/ superior technology if allainces are made with the right people and the right tatics are use...

Err. Ignoring that Stargate is fiction, not reality... Those guys have survived through sheer luck, divine intervention (Anubis) and the aid of enemies far more developed than their antagonists.

What's more, in a good number of the alternate realities shown, Earth gets conquered.

[lord Martiya]

myself being a major stargate fan have come to appreciate the military capabilities of a civilisation w/ inferior technology vs. a civilisation w/ superior technology if allainces are made with the right people and the right tatics are use...

Sorry, but Tau'ri in the beginning would stand no chance, if Goa'uld bothered to attack Earth (when Apophis DID, in Within the Serpent's Grasp and The Serpent's Lair, Tau'ri succeeded only for a combination of sheer luck and gross understimation by Apophis's part, while in another timeline, where the SG-1 mission didn't happened, he was literally slaughtering Earth forces). After that, they were covered for a while by the Asgard, and when a Goa'uld attacked again they were in technological PARITY, thanks to Asgard help. I admit that loyalist Jaffas tactics were DUMB, but if the dumb part can blast you from orbit and you have nothing that can harm his starships, your dumb enemy will always win unless of a miracle.

in my opinion the only real use of the federation would be to distract the Empire and use their peace-making skills to ally the rebels...

Beginning a prime target. It would be a GREAT USE of peace-making skills, even if the Rebels would not be disgusted by the Federation.

the real fighting force would be left to the klingons and romulans....possibly w/ the borg trying to assimulate everyone both sw and st...

The Borg would probably do that, but they would have BIG problems with Imperial firepower.

the klingons and romulans would probably make some superweapons[at least in st standards] and amass a large fleet[again in st standards] the romulans going for the strategical points of conflict while the klingons[with there whole honor system and everything] would distract the Empire w/ a full on assualt...

And every Imperial commander would use its superior shields, armor, firepower and sensors to blow up every 'superweapon' or large fleet.

the Federation would work w/ the rebellion while simultaniously trying to negoitiate w/ the Empire...

If Rebellion was not disgusted by various characteristic of Federation society (repression of free thinking and free market, transporters that effectively kills and copy people, maybe the attempted genocide of the Founders and that little ruse to drag the Romulan Star Empire in the Dominion War, if they discover those two facts) and not decided that the Empire is better, the Federation would be wiped out in the same moment the Empire had suspects of this alliance.

now i believe w/ that st stilll doesn't stand a chance worth sh*t but but it's better than what the trekkie fantasy people come up w/...

I don't see the difference.

[PeZook]

Sorry, but Tau'ri in the beginning would stand no chance, if Goa'uld bothered to attack Earth (when Apophis DID, in Within the Serpent's Grasp and The Serpent's Lair, Tau'ri succeeded only for a combination of sheer luck and gross understimation by Apophis's part, while in another timeline, where the SG-1 mission didn't happened, he was literally slaughtering Earth forces).

If we're comparing the two strategic realities, you can't fail to point out the obvious fact that SGC could easily block the enemy's fastest transportation system (the stargate) with a simple addition of the iris, and our ground weapons were able to slaughter Jaffa en masse, allowing SGC to actually carry out their reconeissance missions. Furthermore, thanks in no small part to the above two matters, Earth actually can offer something to defecting Jaffa (a safe haven) and get an opportunity to study and replicate goa'uld technology thanks to their ability to outmaneuver the bugs.

The federation doesn't have any of these advantages. They can't cut off the Empire through a chokepoint, they can't outmaneuver and study them, and they can't easily gain samples of their tech. Using one show as a benchmark of how things would go in another is completely pointless.

[lord Martiya]

I know of the advantages that the SGC had against the Goa'uld (the iris, ground weapons meant to kill vs weapons meant to scare scientifically ignorant people, ability to outmanouver the Goa'uld and study them and their technology), I didn't pointed out them because at the time of The Serpent's Lair Apophis could still win bombing Earth from orbit, as apparently was doing his counterpart from the alternate reality in There But for the Grace of God (I remember a reference to those bombing). And I know that my operation was pointless, I simply love debunking dumb arguments using their bases.

[HolyReaperX01]

i never said that the st universe would do much better but u have to admit my stratagies are better than what trekkies would come up w/ like finding the isd's vunerable shield frequencys and tuning the transporter system to it and beaming photon torpedoes or some technobabble like that and w/ the whole stargate thing i wasn't trying to compare the two i was simply making a point that it is possible[thought not very pluasible] for inferiors to gain a foothold somewhere among the many footholds the superior have[even if it's something as old and "primitive as deception"] and personally i agree w/ u all the st galaxy would hold for maybe a week if that...maybe a better question would be how much longer would they last if they used tatics instead of fantasy story scripts...

[Kartr_Kana]

No you're not rehashing the stupidity of many Trekkies, but you are still mired in the same stupidity that the ST universe is anything more than an interesting insect to be crushed on a whim by the Empire.

Star Gate is completely lucky and they have an ally who is so technologically superior that they can protect planets in the milky way while they themselves are fighting a war for survival in their own galaxy! ST has nothing like that, even if they did ally with the Rebels. You pointing out that as an "example" makes no sense at all. And you'd be better off looking for real world examples that actually happened instead of fictional ones that happen because that's what the writers want to happen.

[Ghost Rider]

Just locking because it's fucking absurd reading your drivel and lack of knowledge of how to even try to write in the English language.