Norade wrote:Care to show me why a colony wouldn't do as i have suggested? Care to cast any shadow of a doubt at all over my logic?
Now you ask me to prove a negative, that's just glorious. Also, I already showed you why your logic fails, no, let me be more precise:
You're starting with the assumption that ST transporters and scanrays can't penetrate rock and then you try to shoehorn any examples into fitting that. That's called Begging the Question. You're putting the cart before the horse. Instead of drawing conclusions from the available evidence, you just start with the conclusion and selectively pick up or discard the evidence.
Substandard.
There's a shaft, sensors can go down it, what would prevent them from taking the obvious course of action besides your saying they wouldn't?
Prove that directing scans and beams specifically down the shaft played any role in this episode. The only obstacle that is explictely mentioned in the episode is a shield surrounding the facility, not the rocks above it.
And then once again prove that transporter beams can bend and bounce around corners.
I don't own the movie and finding the scene in question online is proving difficult, so excuse my not being able to go over the entire thing in detail. 'll have the movie shortly though and then I'll be able to review the scene in question.
Spending one minute on Memory Alpha to look it up would have sufficed. Just one minute. Don't chastise me for your laziness.
Even getting close to the reactor the levels should be rather low. It's not as if you want to kill the crew should they ever need to get near the damned thing. A damaged ISD would almost certainly produce more radiation, ions, graviquarkitons, or what ever treknobable particle of the week will stop the transporters working.
Isn't it telling you completely ignore that I disproved your "low level radiation blocks transporters" bullshit and instead concentrate on this irrelevant tangent?
Take a flashlight, find a mirror shine the flashlight into it, proof. Yell into a gorge, hear the echo, proof. Look at how radar works, proof. Look at how sonar works, proof. I've shown ample evidence that modern sensors all based around this and in all likely hood sensors in the future will work in much the same way, by sending out a signal, bouncing it off something, and getting it back. How do you think sensors work?
You're the one who keeps saying they wouldn't penetrate rock without a shred of evidence while I provided evidence that they in fact do.
Subterreanean Mining Colony on Janus VI! Hell, they do even manage to scan through the Solid Neutronium of the Doomsday Machine. How much more canon evidence do you want that ST sensors and transporters do indeed penetrate solid matter? So stop with these Red Herrings.
Also here's an easy question, what is the highest observed thickness of rock we've seen anything beam through without significant issue. Try picking a target where there is no colony or other manned facility that would likely have devices in place to make beaming in easier.
As soon as you provide even a shred of evidence that such devices are in effect in such locations, you fool. Don't evidence count for anything here anymore?
I can't wait to see you titled and show trialled troll.
For what? Am I the guy here making repeatedly claims and refusing to back them up while trying to browbeat another poster with blatant backseat modding and thread hijacking? Why don't you go and report me to Vympel if you're so eager to get me sanctioned?