The Necrons vs The Imperium

Xavier Kallstrom · Post by **Xavier Kallstrom** » 2005-10-01 05:17pm

A full blooded war as the necrons wake to assault the Imperium under Emperor Darth Vader. What happens?

Necron numbers: 12,000,000

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-10-01 05:30pm

Imperium... like Imperium of Man? Did Darth Vader just replace the Emperor?

Or Imperium like Galactic "I'm A Moron That Can't Spell Empire" Empire?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-10-01 05:30pm

SPLAT goes the Imperium

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-10-01 05:48pm

Either way, if NecronLord to be believed, the Empire or Imperium is raped so hard that the statute of limitations will go beyond the Heat Death.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2005-10-01 05:49pm

Don't all-out Necrons have ships that cross the galaxy faster than you or I blink? With that sort of gargantuan ownage going down in the mobility department they could be throwing buckets of gravel and still win through sheer uncatchability.

defanatic · Post by **defanatic** » 2005-10-01 07:56pm

So what about Necrons vs the Empire?

We already have Necrons vs the Imperium (we call it Warhammer 40,000).

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2005-10-01 08:02pm

defanatic wrote:So what about Necrons vs the Empire?

We already have Necrons vs the Imperium (we call it Warhammer 40,000).

If it's 12mil necrons, Vader and Emperor are on borrowed time. The IoM is only facing a handful of woken necrons scattered acrossed space. Any time 'The Necrons' is used with 'are fully awakened' means there generally is no hope for whatever they're pitted against.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2005-10-01 11:37pm

Indeed consider the Necrons/Yngir won the War against the Old Ones. Defeated an foe whose weapons where amongest other tools the Eldar, (Who Brought sumonable Warp GODS to the Battlefield) The Orks who brought well Orkiness to the battlefield. (But these Orks where all being guided by their creators, Still had the Brain-Boyz to lead them and keep them united rather than the more chaotic likely to fight each other as much as the enemy Orks of the Modernday) The Old Ones who thought nothing of altering the Orbit of Planets, and the make up of it's continents and other geological parts. (Assuming 40K and Fantasy are the same universe)

And other races that may have already become extinct. The Fully awakened Necrons destroyed the Old Ones, as I said. Next to the Old Ones the Empire is a childs toy, I'm afraid Vader is soon shown the error of his ways, shortly before becoming dinner.

Of course Necronlord can likely tell us the many and wonderful things the Necrons can do directly but I doubt he will need to go into full detail:p

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2005-10-02 03:50am

How do the Necrons compare to extreme sci-fi organizations like the Culture or the Xeelee?

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-10-02 04:01am

Crom wrote:How do the Necrons compare to extreme sci-fi organizations like the Culture or the Xeelee?

Respectably, IIRC. I don't have exact numbers, though. While they're not universe-spanning, they're certainly galaxy-spanning...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 05:38am

The Xeelee own them. They run away from the Culture. Time Lords, Daleks, etc, are also capable of whipping them like little nonces.

Fortunately for the SW galaxy in this scenario, the necrons, assuming they're lead by the Deceiver, are likely to simply bypass all defences and take over with minimal casualties.

If they're lead by the Nightbringer, The Dragon, or any of the others, they're likely to bypass all defences and go straight for unguarded civillian populations.

Either way, their collosal speed advantage means that they're in a position to dictate the terms of any engagement.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-10-02 10:04am

Sorry if this is off topic...

How would the full-on Necrons stand up to Civilization (Lensmenverse)? Do they have some defense against psionic abilities; i think they do have those Pariah psychic robots, dont they?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 10:10am

18-Till-I-Die wrote:How would the full-on Necrons stand up to Civilization (Lensmenverse)? Do they have some defense against psionic abilities; i think they do have those Pariah psychic robots, dont they?

I don't even know if the Lensmen have any means of attacking robots psionically. It's possible that all they could try and attack mentally would be the C'tan, and that's probably not going to do down so well for them.

No, at the height of their power they didn't have Pariahs. Pariahs are new.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-10-02 10:22am

NecronLord wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:How would the full-on Necrons stand up to Civilization (Lensmenverse)? Do they have some defense against psionic abilities; i think they do have those Pariah psychic robots, dont they?
I don't even know if the Lensmen have any means of attacking robots psionically. It's possible that all they could try and attack mentally would be the C'tan, and that's probably not going to do down so well for them.

No, at the height of their power they didn't have Pariahs. Pariahs are new.

Ah ok, right cause Pariahs are from the human 'blank' psykers...

Um, the Children of the Lens might be able to wipe out a C'Tan. The Eddorians seem rather more powerful than a C'Tan. The Eddorians had evolved to a point where, either through some technological means or phsyical/psychic one, they could no longer be killed in a physical sense and could scarcely be even attacked psychically. The Arisians, who were almost as old as the Eddorians, had to create the Children to act as a focusing 'lens' to unify the minds of every Lensmen in the galaxy (some trillions, maybe tens of trillions or more) into one huge weapon to finally take down the Eddorians with one immense final blast of psychic energy. And it seemed they just were able to, based on the description the Eddorian psychic shield was resisting this planet-destroyig bolt of energy rather well for at least a few seconds or minuets before finally giving out.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 10:24am

Full power C'tan wipe their asses with planet killers. You know that, right?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-10-02 10:24am

Crom wrote:How do the Necrons compare to extreme sci-fi organizations like the Culture or the Xeelee?

You need non-standard weapons to hurt the Xeelee.

Xeelee nightfighters (one of the Xeelee ship types which is most known) is constructed out of material which has at least two different set of physics to the rest of the world. Unless energy densities were the fundemental forces of physics start breaking down into a single super-force and space-time itself starts goign wierd are being chucked at the Xeelee, they arent going to notice it.

You could have the entire GE fleet(probably including Deathstars!) blasting away at a Xeelee nightfighter and not hurt it.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-10-02 10:28am

NecronLord wrote:Full power C'tan wipe their asses with planet killers. You know that, right?

I was aware they ate stars, i wasn't sure they were strong enough to shrug off a DS type blast.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 10:34am

18-Till-I-Die wrote:I was aware they ate stars, i wasn't sure they were strong enough to shrug off a DS type blast.

They can create a full scale black hole to use as a weapon. You're into Marvel-Comics level absurdity with these things.

Xavier Kallstrom · Post by **Xavier Kallstrom** » 2005-10-02 10:38am

My mistake:

I meant Empire, under Sith lords and such

Not the Emperor's Imperium.

My mistake

Falkenhayn · Post by **Falkenhayn** » 2005-10-02 11:17am

Xavier Kallstrom wrote:My mistake:

I meant Empire, under Sith lords and such

Not the Emperor's Imperium.

My mistake

"The Deciever takes one ship to coruscant, three seconds later he eats Palpatine's soul like so many cocktail weenies, takes over the Empire."

A few embellishments on my part.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2005-10-02 01:12pm

In Ascension, a single un-named C'tan can damage a sun, presumably by draining it, so quickly, i.e. seconds, that it supernovas a week later.

And its meal was interrupted by its ride getting blown up later on.

I don't see the Empire surviving the Necron onslaught if the C'tan are involved. And if this is a reinvigorated C'tan imperium, we are talking low end a thousand C'tan, based of Farseer Machas internal monologue in Ascension.

oh, and they also get those neat Super-Lords.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 01:55pm

white_rabbit wrote:In Ascension, a single un-named C'tan can damage a sun, presumably by draining it, so quickly, i.e. seconds, that it supernovas a week later.

Ascension you say? This the Dawn of War novel?

And its meal was interrupted by its ride getting blown up later on.

I don't see the Empire surviving the Necron onslaught if the C'tan are involved. And if this is a reinvigorated C'tan imperium, we are talking low end a thousand C'tan, based of Farseer Machas internal monologue in Ascension.

Is this where the 'Lords of Life' title comes from?

oh, and they also get those neat Super-Lords.

Where was that, anyway?

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2005-10-02 02:01pm

Heh, its like I've got this little bell, and can make him come running

Yep, DoW novel number two. Eldar, Astartes, and a sprinkle of Necrons.
Mainly Mr Gotos love affair with the Eldar and marine psykers though.

Is this where the 'Lords of Life' title comes from?

apologies, that one turned out to be more " Lords of the Materium"

she actually says something like "they had only life, and no soul"

Where was that, anyway?

Kal Jericho, and since the bastards discontinued Warhammer monthly, we are going to have to wait for them to commission another graphics novel worth of stuff before we can easily get hold of it.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-02 02:05pm

white_rabbit wrote:Heh, its like I've got this little bell, and can make him come running

You know, being able to summon a soul-eating alien of billions of years antiquity and unimaginable power in one's casual speech isn't always considered a blessing.

Yep, DoW novel number two. Eldar, Astartes, and a sprinkle of Necrons.
Mainly Mr Gotos love affair with the Eldar and marine psykers though.

Must buy. Is it related to winter assault directly?

apologies, that one turned out to be more " Lords of the Materium"

Damn. Damn blast it. I really liked that title.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2005-10-02 02:13pm

You know, being able to summon a soul-eating alien of billions of years antiquity and unimaginable power in one's casual speech isn't always considered a blessing

I'll manage somehow

Must buy. Is it related to winter assault directly?

Sort of, the Farseer Taldeer in Winter assault, according to the novel, is a Biel-tan farseer, and she's got part of the Swordwind with her (WA the game seems to ahve them as Ulthwe IIRC)

Macha, the farseer from the original game, leads a force, along with Biel-tans Dark reapers, to this planet, where a C'tan is entombed, the Necrons in Winter Assault are probably the awakening necrons of said C'tan, which is held in stasis by Living metal constructs, reverse engineered and altered by the Eldar to be psychic absorbers, mimicing the presence of a powerful and controlled Eldar empire, which the C'tan won't wake up to. ill-controlled and psychic combat would mean opportunity, and the fall of the eldar.