Jedi Vs. Priors [SG1 S9 Spoilers]

[Darksider]

One day, on the wookie homeworld, a Stargate appears, and a prior comes through.

The Jedi have a Bad FeelingTM about the Prior, so they decide to take him out.

How does the prior do against

1 standard AOTC-ROTS level Jedi
1 standard TPM level Jedi
2 Standard Clone Wars Jedi
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Tag team of Obi and Anakin
Master Yoda

[Chris OFarrell]

"Hallowed are the Ori"

The Priors "Force Push" looks a hell of a lot worse then anything I've seen Jedi do, based on how far those poor Jaffa in "Beachhead" got thrown...

[Darksider]

Well, wasn't Anubis' "son" supposed to be roughly prior level? He never did anyting beyond the abilities of a Jedi. Not to mention that the whole "shoot him while he's destracted" trick wouldn't have worked on a jedi because of the force precog.

Also, as for the force push in "beachhead," In the Clone Wars Cartoon, Yoda can move Trade Federation Landing ships around with the force, and shove MTTs back into the landing ships.

[Elheru Aran]

Clone Wars is supposed to be viewed as a 'historicial document', seen during the New Republic era or something; it's been exaggerated to a rather fair degree. Of course, just how much this is, is debatable; you can depend upon any discussion of Clone Wars' canon status to become a lengthy debate upon whether *this* or *that* is permissible (ie: Super Badass Motherfucker Mace, SBMF Grievous, etc). It's probably better to go with film canon and the novel adaptions....

[The Grim Squeaker]

Clone Wars is supposed to be viewed as a 'historicial document', seen during the New Republic era or something; it's been exaggerated to a rather fair degree. Of course, just how much this is, is debatable; you can depend upon any discussion of Clone Wars' canon status to become a lengthy debate upon whether *this* or *that* is permissible (ie: Super Badass Motherfucker Mace, SBMF Grievous, etc). It's probably better to go with film canon and the novel adaptions....

True, but I like to think that it's the way Jedi should be without their hands tied behind their back, i.e ultra bad ass mother fuckers who can take on thousands of clones single handedly, if clone troopers were as good as they are shown in the series then the ridicolously low numbers (3 mil) could almost be reconciled.

Anyway I can't see the harm of using CW characters for uber vs's (Must resist Mace vs Alucard thread, Lightsaber not holy... ARghhhhhhhh)

[Lancer]

Well, wasn't Anubis' "son" supposed to be roughly prior level? He never did anyting beyond the abilities of a Jedi. Not to mention that the whole "shoot him while he's destracted" trick wouldn't have worked on a jedi because of the force precog.

Also, as for the force push in "beachhead," In the Clone Wars Cartoon, Yoda can move Trade Federation Landing ships around with the force, and shove MTTs back into the landing ships.

not totally. He still needed a few more treatments before reaching the level of pre-ascension ancients.

Also, a Prior was able to shield himself from orbital bombardment as well as a point-blank blast from a gatebuster, and even used the energy of the weapons blasts to expand his forcefield.

[NecronLord]

Priors have shown the ability to output more KE than any canonical jedi has ever done. Flinging a jedi that high and far would kill them. For some reason, SBMF Mace aside, they can't fly.


Prior wins.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Well, wasn't Anubis' "son" supposed to be roughly prior level? He never did anyting beyond the abilities of a Jedi. Not to mention that the whole "shoot him while he's destracted" trick wouldn't have worked on a jedi because of the force precog.

Clearly, you've never seen ROTS, and the dead Jedi snuck up on and overwhelmed by Clone Troopers. Or the dead Jedi scattered through the arena on Geonosis in AOTC, all of which were overwhelmed by conventional enemies with conventional weapons.

[Elheru Aran]

Also, a Prior was able to shield himself from orbital bombardment as well as a point-blank blast from a gatebuster, and even used the energy of the weapons blasts to expand his forcefield.

In all fairness, we never saw the Prior *after* the nuke went off; all we saw was the glowing-hot Gate laying on a bed of red-hot rocks. It may be that after a certain size was reached, the forcefield was able to sustain itself, or the Prior's staff survived the blast (unimaginable as that may be).

[Lancer]

Also, a Prior was able to shield himself from orbital bombardment as well as a point-blank blast from a gatebuster, and even used the energy of the weapons blasts to expand his forcefield.

In all fairness, we never saw the Prior *after* the nuke went off; all we saw was the glowing-hot Gate laying on a bed of red-hot rocks. It may be that after a certain size was reached, the forcefield was able to sustain itself, or the Prior's staff survived the blast (unimaginable as that may be).

gatebuster aside, he still generated the forcefield that shielded him from the combined orbital bombardment of three Ha'taks and the Prometheus.

[Elheru Aran]

True enough; I was referring to your mention of him shielding himself from the gatebuster. Bit difficult to do considering he had already generated a shield, which the gatebuster was *within*, unless he could create a second bubble within the first shield.

[NecronLord]

Splitting Alucard stuff.

[Quadlok]

Could a Jedi mindtrick a prior? Consider, they have to be relatively weak willed to be so completely subsumed by the Orii in the first place. So how hard would it be for a Jedi to convince them that they are in fact a messenger of the Orii, rather than an enemy? From there, it would be a simple step to get them to self destruct or just go away.

[NecronLord]

Could a Jedi mindtrick a prior? Consider, they have to be relatively weak willed to be so completely subsumed by the Orii in the first place.

What makes you think willpower has anything to do with it?

So how hard would it be for a Jedi to convince them that they are in fact a messenger of the Orii, rather than an enemy?

Pretty damn hard.

From there, it would be a simple step to get them to self destruct or just go away.

A simple step? Heh heh heh.

Let's assume that while this is happening the Prior doesn't do the force-neck-snap that people on this board love to assume Jedi will quickly resort to, but times ten.

[Quadlok]

Could a Jedi mindtrick a prior? Consider, they have to be relatively weak willed to be so completely subsumed by the Orii in the first place.

What makes you think willpower has anything to do with it?

I don't know, something about 'the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.'

So how hard would it be for a Jedi to convince them that they are in fact a messenger of the Orii, rather than an enemy?

Pretty damn hard.

Is their any evidence for this?

From there, it would be a simple step to get them to self destruct or just go away.

A simple step? Heh heh heh.

Let's assume that while this is happening the Prior doesn't do the force-neck-snap that people on this board love to assume Jedi will quickly resort to, but times ten.

The priors seem to a bit slow to anger, and don't seem to kill people unless they've absolutely rejected their message.

[Lancer]

The priors seem to a bit slow to anger, and don't seem to kill people unless they've absolutely rejected their message.

as evidenced by their willingness to wipe out entire populations because a few holdouts don't go Orii after a week, right?

[NecronLord]

I don't know, something about 'the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.'

They're not weak minded. Even if you were to claim that all RL religious people are weak minded, this doesn't apply to the Priors. Their gods can be empirically proven to exist.

Is their any evidence for this?

The Priors we have seen are taken from community leaders. Why the hell would they be weak minded when Padme supposedly wasn't?

The priors seem to a bit slow to anger, and don't seem to kill people unless they've absolutely rejected their message.

No. They kill anyone who rejects the Orii immediately. They are much faster to anger than the Jedi.

[Quadlok]

The priors seem to a bit slow to anger, and don't seem to kill people unless they've absolutely rejected their message.

as evidenced by their willingness to wipe out entire populations because a few holdouts don't go Orii after a week, right?

You mean the plague they introduced that they then cured when they got their way? Or the planet they destroyed when a delegation of the Jaffa leadership rejected them?

[NecronLord]

Or the planet they destroyed when a delegation of the Jaffa leadership rejected them?

They've done that at least twice.

[Quadlok]

I don't know, something about 'the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.'

They're not weak minded. Even if you were to claim that all RL religious people are weak minded, this doesn't apply to the Priors. Their gods can be empirically proven to exist.

The priors seem to be completely incapable of independent thought or emotion, and I'm willing to bet that the Orii chose them to serve as priors due to their above average receptiveness to their control. Yes, the Orii exist, but so does the Force, and Jedi/Sith are capable of manipulating each other to some extent.

Is their any evidence for this?

The Priors we have seen are taken from community leaders. Why the hell would they be weak minded when Padme supposedly wasn't?

We saw one prior who was a community leader, and he had been shown to be completely and utterly brainwashed before being priorized.

The priors seem to a bit slow to anger, and don't seem to kill people unless they've absolutely rejected their message.

No. They kill anyone who rejects the Orii immediately. They are much faster to anger than the Jedi.

They sure as fuck don't. They come to a planet, tell people how its gonna be, then wait a couple weeks before forcing the issue. OR era Jedi seem to slash first and ask questions later when it comes to potentially hostile unknowns.

[NecronLord]

The priors seem to be completely incapable of independent thought or emotion,

Prove it.

and I'm willing to bet that the Orii chose them to serve as priors due to their above average receptiveness to their control.

You don't seem to understand. It's not mystical. They could turn anyone into a prior.

Yes, the Orii exist, but so does the Force, and Jedi/Sith are capable of manipulating each other to some extent.

A PC is capable of hacking a PC, therefore a PC is capable of hacking a dog's brain.

We saw one prior who was a community leader, and he had been shown to be completely and utterly brainwashed before being priorized.

We've seen two, try to keep up. As this is a spoiler thread - Garak is now a Prior too. And Garak was turned into a prior without being throughly indocrinated.

They sure as fuck don't. They come to a planet, tell people how its gonna be, then wait a couple weeks before forcing the issue.

They give them a chance to understand what they're rejecting. Lethal action follows a rejection almost instantly.

OR era Jedi seem to slash first and ask questions later when it comes to potentially hostile unknowns.

So, they slash, the lightsaber bounces of a shield, and their head gets shot a hundred foot into the air while their body gets smashed against the ground?

And no. They only act agressively when assaulted. If they acted the way you claim, they would have placed a lightsaber to Watto's neck, and just taken his stuff.

[Quadlok]

You know what, I'm going to back down on this, because my main problem is that I just hate the whole Goddamn Orii storyline with a fiery passion, and so would likely attempt to argue that a redshirt could kill one of the bastards just because I so desperately want to see their pasty asses kicked.

[Plushie]

You know what, I'm going to back down on this, because my main problem is that I just hate the whole Goddamn Orii storyline with a fiery passion, and so would likely attempt to argue that a redshirt could kill one of the bastards just because I so desperately want to see their pasty asses kicked.

A bit hostile there...

[18-Till-I-Die]

Excuse me but what the Ori/Priors? I havent seen SG1 in a while, since like last season, and this is a spoiler thread so if someone could throw me a bit of info.

I'm just interested, these people sound rather odd but interesting.

[Darth Yoshi]

The Ancients are from another galaxy, after fleeing due to an idealogical dispute involving their knowledge and power and how to properly use it. The Alterans/Ancients were the intellectuals and scientists. The Ori believed that since they had the power, they should be worshipped. I think the common belief is that the Ori are responsible for the plague that forced the Ancients into Ascension.

Now, the Ori have sent Priors to convert the heathen masses. They can't do it themselves, because the Ancients are keeping the Ori from manifesting in the local galactic cluster. The Ancients aren't doing anything about the Priors because they believe in free will, so if you want to worship the Ori that's your business. Except for Orlin, who has retaken mortal form again to help Earth.