Regime change in the Marvel universe

[mr friendly guy]

Marvel EIC Joe Quesada has always liked to say Marvel is more "realistic" than DC because of a few things such as how in Marvel the US president is George Bush istead of Lex Luthor.

So in this Marvel universe George Dubya decides regime change is needed. But instead of Iraq he goes for a more obvious regime, one which already has WMD.

Latveria run by the supervillain Doctor Doom.

So can they US effect regime change in Latveria. For interest assume 1) marvel USA with their military tech, but no superheroes invading 2) real USA.

Also the aim is to liberate Latveria, so no nuking unless Doctor Doom uses WMDs first. Can Bush overthrow Doom? Or will this turn into another Vietnam.

[Ghost Rider]

This before or after Doom uses his Cosmic Cube and Time platforms?

Literally the US army would easily overrun some small Balkan country...course most of the US will then get turned into a goat farm because Doom has to look out for his people.

I mean the US Army is cool, but when dealing with despots who have something nicer then a 50 ton nuke....none of Shrubby's advisors are even that dumb or nuts over caviar.

[mr friendly guy]

How about we deny Doom his time platform and cosmic cube as due to an act of bad writing, they become one (or a few ) episode wonders which are conveniently forgotten when the next writer comes along.

[Ghost Rider]

How about we deny Doom his time platform and cosmic cube as due to an act of bad writing, they become one (or a few ) episode wonders which are conveniently forgotten when the next writer comes along.

Actually that would deny Doom loads of his equipment. Really when you start cataloguing his stuff, you really either take the bizarre that he can access such stuff or he has no teeth...hell he has more then enough magic that if the US looks to final take Castle Doom he summons Shuma Gorath in the middle of Washington. As ridiculous as it sounds it gives reasons why no writers goes "Why doesn't a big country take over Latveria?"

If wondering the place is smaller then Luxemburg.

I mean his armor has a 2 ton nuclear bomb strapped in, his Doombots are mini nukes of themselves and his border is guarded by death lasers......yet most of his people vary between ignorant peasents who believe dark magic happens on Castle Doom, or saavy folk who know Doom protects them with tech.

Literally to discuss Doom in it's full effect you have to accept he has all his tech....which does mean he has Cosmic cube tech and time travel tech(and Time travel is his most common resource used back when he was introduced)

[mr friendly guy]

This is a bit on the side, but if Doom has a cosmic cube, why doesn't he just wills Reed Richards out of existence? Or he time travel to wipe out Reed while he was a baby. Can we at least assume his time travel has the same limitations as ST time travel, ie the Federation cannot just travel back in time and wipe out the Empire?

But if Doom summons Shuma Gorath in the middle of Washington, will that be considered a WMD, in which case the US retaliates with nukes?

Since his border is guarded by Death lasers, how would Marvel US overcome that. Surely not with human wave tactics.

[Ghost Rider]

This is a bit on the side, but if Doom has a cosmic cube, why doesn't he just wills Reed Richards out of existence? Or he time travel to wipe out Reed while he was a baby. Can we at least assume his time travel has the same limitations as ST time travel, ie the Federation cannot just travel back in time and wipe out the Empire?

Ego. And before someone says "Writer intent." No, really. He knows he has it, has told off Reed, and Reed asked why hasn't he...and he simply went "I prefer to destroy you here and now, what would be the point if I killed you as a child?"

With Richards it's a personal bet to see who's better. With the US, no such thing...he would literally make it into farmland.

But if Doom summons Shuma Gorath in the middle of Washington, will that be considered a WMD, in which case the US retaliates with nukes?

They'd worry a lot more about a Dark Elder God in their back yard then Latveria would worry about nukes. That would literally be a weapon of last resort. At that point Doom already lost and has decided to give the US one big fuck you before his country is slagged.

Since his border is guarded by Death lasers, how would Marvel US overcome that. Surely not with human wave tactics.

Why not? They can only kill so much.

[mr friendly guy]

So how about this scenario. The united states will over come Dooms defenses with high casualties. Doom bots with nuclear weapons on them wreck havoc (assuming he just uses it in his country), and the US either retaliates with nukes or eventually over runs Latveria. Then Doom gives the US a big fuck you, and tries to achieve mutually assured destruction.

If the superheroes intervene and saves the US, Doom does his time travel trick and wipes out the US, assuming of course the Superheroes don't intervene with that one.

Does that pretty much sums it up.

[Ghost Rider]

So how about this scenario. The united states will over come Dooms defenses with high casualties. Doom bots with nuclear weapons on them wreck havoc (assuming he just uses it in his country), and the US either retaliates with nukes or eventually over runs Latveria. Then Doom gives the US a big fuck you, and tries to achieve mutually assured destruction.

If the superheroes intervene and saves the US, Doom does his time travel trick and wipes out the US, assuming of course the Superheroes don't intervene with that one.

Does that pretty much sums it up.

Pretty much...here's a funny thought.

Doom is essentially some long winded hack that every country avoids like the plague, even though when he goes haywire he destroys vast amounts of property and cost in lives. Instead they rely upon four weirdos in NY to take him out.

Now some world leader you would've thought would glady have sent some special Ops team and just give the big fuck you to Doom, but never do .

This is the funny part, but something long accepted. Doom obviously can either bluff better then any poker player alive or has something nasty to allow most countries respect his tin pot dictatorship.

[GuppyShark]

What is the non-superhero military technology available to the Marvel USA but not available to our own?

All I can think of offhand:

S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarriers (Limited utility from what I've seen.)
A team of War Machines (lowtech Iron Men.)
Weapon X (If said program is still around.)

I don't see them doing very well against Doom at all.

[Drooling Iguana]

What is the non-superhero military technology available to the Marvel USA but not available to our own?

All I can think of offhand:

S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarriers (Limited utility from what I've seen.)
A team of War Machines (lowtech Iron Men.)
Weapon X (If said program is still around.)

I don't see them doing very well against Doom at all.

I thought that it was the Canadian government who had Weapon X.

[HemlockGrey]

I thought that it was the Canadian government who had Weapon X.

Oh, that's sweet of Marvel to give them something.

[mr friendly guy]

What is the non-superhero military technology available to the Marvel USA but not available to our own?

All I can think of offhand:

S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarriers (Limited utility from what I've seen.)
A team of War Machines (lowtech Iron Men.)
Weapon X (If said program is still around.)

I don't see them doing very well against Doom at all.

Can't they also manufacture Sentinels, but program them to fight Doom's army instead of mutants?

[18-Till-I-Die]

I think in some of the recent X-Men there was this Weapon X Plus or something...where they had an underground city and were screwing with evolution to create supermen.

IIRC, Fantomex was one of 'em. He's a weird guy with a spaceship type thing as his powers, like Maggot had his maggots the spaceship is part of Fanty on some level.

[NeoGoomba]

Is the US still considered the sole Superpower on Marvel Earth anymore? With the rise of Wakanda I would think that Black Panther's country would be the one doing regime changes.

And the US would do better to try and remove Moleman than to take power away from Doom