Would SC Marine's guns penetrate stormtrooper armor?

[Dillon]

I remember reading in the Terran background story in the SC instruction manual, that the rounds traveled at hypersonic speeds.

Would that be enough to penetrate stormtrooper armor? Is it possbile they're even stronger than E-11's?

And if so, what does it say about the Zerg hides that ricochet those rounds?

[NecronLord]

Probably. Even if it didn't the stormie would be dead, as the Hydrostatic Shock (IIRC that's the term) would rip his organs to bits.

They're ludicrous.

[Sea Skimmer]

It claims 8mm rounds at hypersonic speed, even if the Marines armor weighed a couple tons they'd be knocked over by a single burst. The manual also says their railguns, yet they have muzzle flashes and even flash hiders. The weapons are near certainly just some form of conventional medium caliber machine gun.

[Exonerate]

Not railguns, gauss rifles. Although they're nearly the same thing.

[darthdavid]

Mabye they use a combo of convential ordinace and gauss rifle tech to deliver maximum death?

[Sea Skimmer]

Mabye they use a combo of convential ordinace and gauss rifle tech to deliver maximum death?

That would be incredibly stupid, offer no advantages and work extremely poorly if at all, the gun gasses would likely rapidly erode barrel.

[Zed Snardbody]

It doesnt matter. A SC Marine could just step on the storm trooper, they are a coulple kilometers tall after all

[darthdavid]

Yeah, they did get scaling a little off didn't they? A marine as big as a flippin star fighter, when the star fighter is closer to you than the marine,

[Connor MacLeod]

I remember reading in the Terran background story in the SC instruction manual, that the rounds traveled at hypersonic speeds.

Would that be enough to penetrate stormtrooper armor? Is it possbile they're even stronger than E-11's?

Not by a long shot.

SW has projectile weapons that travel at hypersonic velocity as well (ref: Shatterpoint.) and this is I believe on very low tech worlds as well as advanced ones. Yet we know from the VD's that stormtrooper AND Clonetrooper armors are both very resistant to SW projectile weapons (immune even, at least to personal weapons.)

Aside from that we know that Stormtrooper armor can withstand at least 900-1000 kg*m/s worth of momentum with only a scratch (of course, this is just the armor in some cases. Certain attacks might still kill the trooper inside regardless.) Mike did the calculations (which showed up on the "hate mail" page under the IXJac debate.) So unless the SC rifle rounds mass nearly a kilogram, its unlikely they will penetrate (they might still knock around the person inside, but tis might very well be limited by the effect on other known targets hit by said gunfire.)

And if so, what does it say about the Zerg hides that ricochet those rounds?

Depends on the mass of the projectile. If we assume roughly 4 grams (completely arbitrary, I believe thats what the mass of a 7.62 mm round is roughly, but there is no reason to assume this applies to the gauss round.) they might exhibit resistances of roughly 7-9 kg*m/s of momentum and between 12-15 kilojoules of kinetic energy.

[Exonerate]

It doesnt matter. A SC Marine could just step on the storm trooper, they are a coulple kilometers tall after all

No they're not idiot, BCs are the size of a small house.

[Mutant Headcrab]

Not railguns, gauss rifles. Although they're nearly the same thing.

Forgive my scientific ignorance, but what's the difference? I had always assumed that they were the same kind of thing?

[Balrog]

It doesnt matter. A SC Marine could just step on the storm trooper, they are a coulple kilometers tall after all

No they're not idiot, BCs are the size of a small house.

The BW intro would say otherwise

[Sea Skimmer]

Forgive my scientific ignorance, but what's the difference? I had always assumed that they were the same kind of thing?

They both propel a projectile with an electromagnetic force and in that way are quite similar, but the method by which they create that electromagnetic force is different. A railgun launches the projectile down a pair of rails while a gauss gun uses a series of coils around the barrel to do it.

[Exonerate]

It doesnt matter. A SC Marine could just step on the storm trooper, they are a coulple kilometers tall after all

No they're not idiot, BCs are the size of a small house.

The BW intro would say otherwise

You're wrong, the planets are just the size of a street block.

[SPOOFE]

Even if it didn't the stormie would be dead, as the Hydrostatic Shock (IIRC that's the term) would rip his organs to bits.

No it wouldn't. In the Brood War intro, we saw a Zergling take several hits from these suppsed "hypersonic" bullets, and it didn't budge an inch. Unless we assume that Zerglings weigh several dozen tons (and, judging by the ease at which a 'Ling got knocked back ten-fifteen feet by a patrolling jeep, I doubt it), that conclusively shows that SC Marine bullets do not have the kinetic energy of much more than a low-powered modern pistol round.

[NecronLord]

Even if it didn't the stormie would be dead, as the Hydrostatic Shock (IIRC that's the term) would rip his organs to bits.

No it wouldn't. In the Brood War intro, we saw a Zergling take several hits from these suppsed "hypersonic" bullets, and it didn't budge an inch. Unless we assume that Zerglings weigh several dozen tons (and, judging by the ease at which a 'Ling got knocked back ten-fifteen feet by a patrolling jeep, I doubt it), that conclusively shows that SC Marine bullets do not have the kinetic energy of much more than a low-powered modern pistol round.

That wasn't the question I was answering. If they worked the way the manual says they do, then that would be the effect.

Would that be enough to penetrate stormtrooper armor?

Yes, it would, or rather it would kill the stormtrooper regardless. Do they actually have those guns? Aparrently not.

[Connor MacLeod]

Yes, it would. Do they actually have those guns? Aparrently not.

Proof?

[Singular Quartet]

Yes, it would. Do they actually have those guns? Aparrently not.

Proof?

Why? He was answering the question: If the rounds actually did work that way, it would possibly penetrate the armor, but it would likely kill the occupant. They do not, however, have these guns, and therefore an actual SC marine weapon would not actually kill a stormie or clone.

[NecronLord]

Yes, it would. Do they actually have those guns? Aparrently not.

Proof?

See above. It would not neccesserily penetrate in the exact definition, but would have the same net effect. Dead stormtrooper.

[Seggybop]

Even without the insane scaling, the marines can still step on the troopers and smash them.

[Singular Quartet]

Even without the insane scaling, the marines can still step on the troopers and smash them.

http://www.blizzard.com/images/ghost/sc ... /art15.jpg

No, that just makes them bigger targets

[Sea Skimmer]

Even without the insane scaling, the marines can still step on the troopers and smash them.

[img]http://www.blizzard.com/images/ghost/sc ... 15.jpg[img]

So we should take concept art over games cut scenes, which show an unarmored human as only about six inches shorter then armored marines?

[Balrog]

Have we ever seen an unarmored and an armored human together in the cutscenes?

[Ghost Rider]

Have we ever seen an unarmored and an armored human together in the cutscenes?

Yes...when they boarded the Science Vessel and got ambushed by the Zerg.

[SPOOFE]

That wasn't the question I was answering. If they worked the way the manual says they do, then that would be the effect.

My apologies, I wasn't trying to contest what you wrote... rather, I used your comments as a springboard to point out that there's a Big Fucking Contradiction between what the manual says and what the game cutscenes show.