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Since the T-1000 seems to be popular right now, in these debates we'll throw it into the sceme of things again.

*the twins are not in this*
matrix reloaded, the keymaker is running his ass off, and morph and trinity are in chase, the T-1000 oozes through the door (where in the movie the twin stuck his arm) He is working for the marodevinchian(sp?)

Can moprh and trinity even get out of the parking lot? Can they kung fu him quickly so they can make an escape so the highway chase scene can occur?
If they can get to the highway how would the story turn out different? Would the T-1000 chase them down and kill them?

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the t-1000 has the same abilities as in T2. No more no less! It doesn't know its in the matrix, so what is real is real to it. It can't learn to munipulate anything.

Everything else is in play, the agents are still in hot persuit aswell.
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Morpheous can cut the T-1000 up and leave it regenerating while Trinity and the Keymaster arrange an exit. While the T-1000 is effectively immortal in the Matrix, it can still be slowed down by being cut into small peices that gather in a puddle.
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Does that liquid metal give you an boner you can never get a rid of? Hence the unquenchable wanking?
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Does that liquid metal give you an boner you can never get a rid of? Hence the unquenchable wanking?
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SirNitram wrote:Morpheous can cut the T-1000 up and leave it regenerating while Trinity and the Keymaster arrange an exit. While the T-1000 is effectively immortal in the Matrix, it can still be slowed down by being cut into small peices that gather in a puddle.
Why would it be immortal in the matrix?
I said that it has the same abilities and weaknesses as in the real world. no more no less.
It can still be killed
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Well he refuses to accept the official comic as evidence in another thread, refuses to admit that the polyalloy skin of the T-X was burned away (no to him she was damaged so it...vanished?) and refuses to differenciate between burning diesel and helicopter fuel.

Then there's his threads on Dutch vs. T-1000, and then there's his old Matrix threads where he argued with Wong that Agents and Zionists are "really tough" in the Matrix, even though everyone else was arguing, and Morpheus even said that they bend the physics rules of the Matrix for their feats.

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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Morpheous can cut the T-1000 up and leave it regenerating while Trinity and the Keymaster arrange an exit. While the T-1000 is effectively immortal in the Matrix, it can still be slowed down by being cut into small peices that gather in a puddle.
Why would it be immortal in the matrix?
I said that it has the same abilities and weaknesses as in the real world. no more no less.
It can still be killed
Because it will not comprehend death. Because the Matrix can't kill you unless you accept that. It will just keep coming at you until... Well.

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
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I'm assuming that he's treating the T-1000 like its abilities (including damage to no longer being able to function) is transplanted from T2 to the Matrix.

So think of it as a program with a physical avatar with the exact physics attributes given the real-world T-1000 in T2 (at least I think this is what he's getting at).
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SirNitram wrote:
Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Morpheous can cut the T-1000 up and leave it regenerating while Trinity and the Keymaster arrange an exit. While the T-1000 is effectively immortal in the Matrix, it can still be slowed down by being cut into small peices that gather in a puddle.
Why would it be immortal in the matrix?
I said that it has the same abilities and weaknesses as in the real world. no more no less.
It can still be killed
Because it will not comprehend death. Because the Matrix can't kill you unless you accept that. It will just keep coming at you until... Well.

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
i just finished saying that it has the same abilities as in the real world, it can be killed the same ways it was in T2, and probably more we hadn't thought of, or scene yet.
it has the same ABILITIES no more no less!

as for Primuses smug remarks,
lets keep that to a seperate thread, and not hijack this one, thanks
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Omega-13 wrote:i just finished saying that it has the same abilities as in the real world, it can be killed the same ways it was in T2, and probably more we hadn't thought of, or scene yet.
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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Omega-13 wrote: Why would it be immortal in the matrix?
I said that it has the same abilities and weaknesses as in the real world. no more no less.
It can still be killed
Because it will not comprehend death. Because the Matrix can't kill you unless you accept that. It will just keep coming at you until... Well.

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
i just finished saying that it has the same abilities as in the real world, it can be killed the same ways it was in T2, and probably more we hadn't thought of, or scene yet.
it has the same ABILITIES no more no less!

as for Primuses smug remarks,
lets keep that to a seperate thread, and not hijack this one, thanks
Doesn't make much of a difference. Morph will slow it down by going ninja-speed with a sword on it, then they peel out. The T-1000 can't do the ghosting trick to rapidly get in and out of vehicles, so it's in real trouble trying to get ahold of them.

It could, in theory, hijack a truck, but the regular Agents will have far better luck.
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SirNitram wrote:

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
not sure about that,
the pole through the back of the T-1000 didn't phase it, it immediately grabbed it, and closed up,
and it wasn't even expecting it.

A sword that weighs a lot less, might not even go in that much,
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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
not sure about that,
the pole through the back of the T-1000 didn't phase it, it immediately grabbed it, and closed up,
and it wasn't even expecting it.

A sword that weighs a lot less, might not even go in that much,
Wait a minute, Morpheus slices through the side of an SUV with his katanna and you don't think he'll be able to slice and dice the T-1000???
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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:

That being said, it can be left so far behind it's not funny.
not sure about that,
the pole through the back of the T-1000 didn't phase it, it immediately grabbed it, and closed up,
and it wasn't even expecting it.

A sword that weighs a lot less, might not even go in that much,
Ah, yes, you'll now provide proof the T-1000 can provide great resistance to a sword that casually sliced into an SUV. The T-1000 can regenerate the slices, but bits will be falling off. It can't phase through the hits.
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Doesn't make much of a difference. Morph will slow it down by going ninja-speed with a sword on it, then they peel out. The T-1000 can't do the ghosting trick to rapidly get in and out of vehicles, so it's in real trouble trying to get ahold of them.

It could, in theory, hijack a truck, but the regular Agents will have far better luck.
I think the main difference here is that the Agents and 'twins' loose ground because they have to avoid everything.
such as, Johnson fell off the front of the car, and when he got up, he moved to the side so he didn't turn into a pancake (strange move considering he can just appear elsewhere)
a terminator would just get hit would it not? Or even dive through the front windshield like we saw arnold do in T1, when chasing Sarah and Reece
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Ah, yes, you'll now provide proof the T-1000 can provide great resistance to a sword that casually sliced into an SUV. The T-1000 can regenerate the slices, but bits will be falling off. It can't phase through the hits.
Well the T-1000 was throw against concrete walls and smashed right through one without a dent.
Got a headbutt right in the face from the t-800 without a dent.

Not to mention the pole didn't phase him.
He is very dense if he wants to be.
Arnold was in a deadlock with him in the galleria with the shotgun, coudln't budge him. He had to be dense to hold arnold in place.
If you through that thin alloy that SUV sides are made out of against walls like arnold did, with a lot of force, ,or have a t-800 headbutt one, i'm sure you'd see a big difference
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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Doesn't make much of a difference. Morph will slow it down by going ninja-speed with a sword on it, then they peel out. The T-1000 can't do the ghosting trick to rapidly get in and out of vehicles, so it's in real trouble trying to get ahold of them.

It could, in theory, hijack a truck, but the regular Agents will have far better luck.
I think the main difference here is that the Agents and 'twins' loose ground because they have to avoid everything.
such as, Johnson fell off the front of the car, and when he got up, he moved to the side so he didn't turn into a pancake (strange move considering he can just appear elsewhere)
a terminator would just get hit would it not? Or even dive through the front windshield like we saw arnold do in T1, when chasing Sarah and Reece
The T-800 is a far more sturdy frame than the liquid T-1000. Cite some proof that the T-1000 wouldn't be splattered.. Literally.. By the impact.

The T-1000 is an assassin... It's a sucky-ass combatant, which this scenario needs.
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SirNitram wrote:

The T-800 is a far more sturdy frame than the liquid T-1000. Cite some proof that the T-1000 wouldn't be splattered.. Literally.. By the impact.

The T-1000 is an assassin... It's a sucky-ass combatant, which this scenario needs.
thats the problem with everyone, they don't even remember the movies, they just think "liquid metal" and they think it splatters

read what I just wrote above to answer this.
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Ah, yes, you'll now provide proof the T-1000 can provide great resistance to a sword that casually sliced into an SUV. The T-1000 can regenerate the slices, but bits will be falling off. It can't phase through the hits.
Well the T-1000 was throw against concrete walls and smashed right through one without a dent.
Got a headbutt right in the face from the t-800 without a dent.
And this influences how it will be cut or not... How? Blunt trauma against liquid isn't going to work well, duh.
Not to mention the pole didn't phase him.
He is very dense if he wants to be.
Arnold was in a deadlock with him in the galleria with the shotgun, coudln't budge him. He had to be dense to hold arnold in place.
Wow, he can be heavy. So is an SUV.
If you through that thin alloy that SUV sides are made out of against walls like arnold did, with a lot of force, ,or have a t-800 headbutt one, i'm sure you'd see a big difference
And none of this deals with how the T-1000 is supposed to resist being cut by a blade that effortlessly slices through the side of an SUV. It deals with blunt trauma. Do you realize there's a difference?
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Swords wont do anything. they cut so fast and cleanly that the T1000 would be uneffected. How? The sword slices through the LiqMetal but doesnt knock bits off cause of the mass difference, it would be slices a real body only easier. the body would be divided in two but not seperates. The T1000 would recover immediately.
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Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:

The T-800 is a far more sturdy frame than the liquid T-1000. Cite some proof that the T-1000 wouldn't be splattered.. Literally.. By the impact.

The T-1000 is an assassin... It's a sucky-ass combatant, which this scenario needs.
thats the problem with everyone, they don't even remember the movies, they just think "liquid metal" and they think it splatters

read what I just wrote above to answer this.
Even if I give you this(Headbutting a T-800 is NOT equal to being hit by a car at highway speeds, whatever you want), how is it gonna get in front of the car?
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kojikun wrote:Swords wont do anything. they cut so fast and cleanly that the T1000 would be uneffected. How? The sword slices through the LiqMetal but doesnt knock bits off cause of the mass difference, it would be slices a real body only easier. the body would be divided in two but not seperates. The T1000 would recover immediately.
Cut off the arms, arms fall to ground. Recover time is NOT instant, we see it having to take a few seconds before each wound 'closes'.
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Stravo wrote:Wait a minute, Morpheus slices through the side of an SUV with his katanna and you don't think he'll be able to slice and dice the T-1000???
See what I mean? :roll: You can almost hear the sounds of lotion squishing as he works it furiously.
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And none of this deals with how the T-1000 is supposed to resist being cut by a blade that effortlessly slices through the side of an SUV. It deals with blunt trauma. Do you realize there's a difference?
it didn't cut through the side of an SUV, it carved a gash in the side of the thin paneling, that is only about 1 cm thick, a material that is not very dense, compared to the T-1000 which is much more dense, and sturdy.
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Even if I give you this(Headbutting a T-800 is NOT equal to being hit by a car at highway speeds, whatever you want), how is it gonna get in front of the car?
Oh ok ok, i thought you wanted me to relate that to being cut by a sword.
If the T-1000 got hit, it would not SPLASH all over the place, like a water jug full of water, it would deform and the car would turn into a tin can, killing the driver and passengers
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