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To Fear more, t-1000 or t-800
SITUATION : A NYC SWAt team has been assigned to protect you, they are moving you across a major intersection in the middle of rush hour towards their SWAT truck, when a massive 18 wheeler comes over a far hill, and comes barroling down towards you. It is 800 meters away and accelerating,
The SWAT team opens up on the truck,
the question is, this scenario has almost limitless possibilities for unfolding, who do you fear more, a T-800 driving the truck or a T-1000 driving the truck,
you have been targetted for termination
The SWAT team opens up on the truck,
the question is, this scenario has almost limitless possibilities for unfolding, who do you fear more, a T-800 driving the truck or a T-1000 driving the truck,
you have been targetted for termination
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I fear a T-800 more. As far as I can tell, the immediate probability of killing the T-800 or the T-1000 is essentially the same, and it isn't real horrible. I know where the Terminator is, and I have access to firepower.
If I kill the T-1000, Skynet may give up on me because even the mighty T-1000 couldn't do the job.
If I kill the T-800, Skynet may send a T-1000, which I will probably face on less favorable terms. I probably won't know of his whereabouts until it is too late.
If I kill the T-1000, Skynet may give up on me because even the mighty T-1000 couldn't do the job.
If I kill the T-800, Skynet may send a T-1000, which I will probably face on less favorable terms. I probably won't know of his whereabouts until it is too late.
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The T-1000 is obviously more dangerous. It's unknown how much punishment it can take before it loses its ability to reform, but the same amount of punishment would probably trash a T-800, and its superior power of disguise makes it much more dangerous in many respects.
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All the more reason to destroy it while you know its location.
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that is true, but it might rely too much on its stealth and not enough on firepower, it never really armed up in T2Darth Wong wrote:The T-1000 is obviously more dangerous. It's unknown how much punishment it can take before it loses its ability to reform, but the same amount of punishment would probably trash a T-800, and its superior power of disguise makes it much more dangerous in many respects.
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The T-1000 doesn’t need a whole lot of firepower. It's coming after you; it can just form a blade out of its arm and cut your head off. I'd be more afraid of the T-1000, because after the 18-wheeler is shot to shit, or blown up, you'll know where the T-800 is; it's the big thing with half its flesh blown off, heading towards you. T-1000, on the other hand, can slip away unnoticed as a silver puddle, form into a SWAT member, and get you when you think your safe in the swat truck.Omega-13 wrote:that is true, but it might rely too much on its stealth and not enough on firepower, it never really armed up in T2Darth Wong wrote:The T-1000 is obviously more dangerous. It's unknown how much punishment it can take before it loses its ability to reform, but the same amount of punishment would probably trash a T-800, and its superior power of disguise makes it much more dangerous in many respects.
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I think the only thing the T-800 has going for it is that it is scarier looking, bullets look like they do nothing, and he always looks pissed.
The T-1000 at least shows the wounds, this makes him look rather silly when he's chasing after you. Of course to make up for this he reforms, makes his arm into a blade and lobs your head off.
The T-1000 at least shows the wounds, this makes him look rather silly when he's chasing after you. Of course to make up for this he reforms, makes his arm into a blade and lobs your head off.
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I'd fear the T-1000 far far more. The T-800 can be damaged by 9mm fire, the T-1000 withstands shot gun blasts and a full magazine of 5.56 and keeps going.
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T-1000.
The disguise function of the T-800 is one setting, and while enough to kill a human, easily able to elude in terms of you know after one attempt.
The T-1000 you may never know what or who it will look like.
The disguise function of the T-800 is one setting, and while enough to kill a human, easily able to elude in terms of you know after one attempt.
The T-1000 you may never know what or who it will look like.
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That and we have no idea the upper end of the T-1000 regarding regular arms.
I mean they took some rather unusual means to hurt it...the T-800 is just a situation of firepower, the T-1000 is really an somewhat openended question.
I mean they took some rather unusual means to hurt it...the T-800 is just a situation of firepower, the T-1000 is really an somewhat openended question.
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T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire and infact they can sustained heavy fire from 5.56mm weapons with no apparent permanent harm.Sea Skimmer wrote:I'd fear the T-1000 far far more. The T-800 can be damaged by 9mm fire, the T-1000 withstands shot gun blasts and a full magazine of 5.56 and keeps going.
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But their appereance does suffer from getting shot and even though Arnie said in T2 that his wounds (bullet holes in his back) would heal, but that will take time and I don't know how severe damage can the T-800 heal in such a manner.Alyeska wrote:T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire and infact they can sustained heavy fire from 5.56mm weapons with no apparent permanent harm.Sea Skimmer wrote:I'd fear the T-1000 far far more. The T-800 can be damaged by 9mm fire, the T-1000 withstands shot gun blasts and a full magazine of 5.56 and keeps going.
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All the same, their resilience to projectiles of such calibre is well noted, but they are susceptible to damage from them eventually, the T-800 model 101 that was in T2 said so itself. The flesh would regrow though.Alyeska wrote:T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire and infact they can sustained heavy fire from 5.56mm weapons with no apparent permanent harm.Sea Skimmer wrote:I'd fear the T-1000 far far more. The T-800 can be damaged by 9mm fire, the T-1000 withstands shot gun blasts and a full magazine of 5.56 and keeps going.
The T-1000 however has no problems with such weapons other than kinetic shock from larger rounds which stuns it until it reboots the system taking only a second or so like with the T-800. Given a bit of time, the T-1000 had it not been frozen in T2, might have reformed from that grenade round, uh, had it also not fallen into that molten metal.
The best way to deal with a T-800 is to decapitate it, the neck is a weakpoint as are any joints, not so with the T-1000. The best way to deal with that, provided you're lucky enough to find out it is around first, is to fuck up the molecular structure of the mimetic polyalloy (it's not nanomachines, it is actually a smart metal. No, I don't know how it works either). Then all you have is a really clever splodge of quicksilver. Oh, separating parts of it is good too, loses computing power the less of it there is.
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That there might be the problem, the T-1000 has a longer lasting attack, where it lasts longer throughout the entire scenario, but the T-800 has a 'shock' value that the T-1000 doesn't have. If the T-1000 gets shot up by 5.56 or 9mm it falls over, stunned and reforms, the t-800 keeps walking and fighting, ,so it keeps up the pressure.Admiral Valdemar wrote:
The T-1000 however has no problems with such weapons other than kinetic shock from larger rounds which stuns it until it reboots the system taking only a second or so like with the T-800.
No doubt it would have reformed, why would it not have?Given a bit of time, the T-1000 had it not been frozen in T2, might have reformed from that grenade round, uh, had it also not fallen into that molten metal.
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Which is part of the reason why the T-1000 is an infiltration/assassination unit.That there might be the problem, the T-1000 has a longer lasting attack, where it lasts longer throughout the entire scenario, but the T-800 has a 'shock' value that the T-1000 doesn't have. If the T-1000 gets shot up by 5.56 or 9mm it falls over, stunned and reforms, the t-800 keeps walking and fighting, ,so it keeps up the pressure.
Frankly, I think Valdemar summed it up perfectly. A properly executed stealth attack is far better than brute force. And the mission you describe (one person target, guarded by several people) is exactly what the T-1000 is designed for. I'd be far more afraid if a T-1000 was after me. Not that I wouldn't be afraid of a T-800.
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It was more the time of reforming I was concerned about, it was in pretty bad shape and had already had its matrix screwed up by being frozen and shattered.Omega-13 wrote:That there might be the problem, the T-1000 has a longer lasting attack, where it lasts longer throughout the entire scenario, but the T-800 has a 'shock' value that the T-1000 doesn't have. If the T-1000 gets shot up by 5.56 or 9mm it falls over, stunned and reforms, the t-800 keeps walking and fighting, ,so it keeps up the pressure.Admiral Valdemar wrote:
The T-1000 however has no problems with such weapons other than kinetic shock from larger rounds which stuns it until it reboots the system taking only a second or so like with the T-800.
No doubt it would have reformed, why would it not have?Given a bit of time, the T-1000 had it not been frozen in T2, might have reformed from that grenade round, uh, had it also not fallen into that molten metal.
The T-800 is clearly a resislient machine- in T1 it got shot at, hit round the hit with a metal pole, hit by a car, knocked off a motor bike at speed, hit by a truck, and had both legs and an arm blown off and still kept coming. It can take a pounding.
In T2 it again took alot of bullets, being thrown through walls, having it's arm ground up by large mechanical cogs, having the T-1000 batter it silly with a pole and being pounded by whatever that thing was that the T-1000 kept using as a battering ram. It also survived having it's insides worked by said pole, and having said pole driven straight through it.
T-1000 can again take multiple gun shots, being thrown into things (such as walls), can survive serious impacts (such as the truck, helicopter), explosions (such as the truck), and though it was left damaged, survived being frozen and shattered. T-1000 also has that nifty ability to disguise itself as anyone, and doesn't need to acquire weapons. They come built in I guess in that sense, having a T-1000 stalk you would be far more terrifying.
In T2 it again took alot of bullets, being thrown through walls, having it's arm ground up by large mechanical cogs, having the T-1000 batter it silly with a pole and being pounded by whatever that thing was that the T-1000 kept using as a battering ram. It also survived having it's insides worked by said pole, and having said pole driven straight through it.
T-1000 can again take multiple gun shots, being thrown into things (such as walls), can survive serious impacts (such as the truck, helicopter), explosions (such as the truck), and though it was left damaged, survived being frozen and shattered. T-1000 also has that nifty ability to disguise itself as anyone, and doesn't need to acquire weapons. They come built in I guess in that sense, having a T-1000 stalk you would be far more terrifying.
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An I-bar, that's the battering ram.Sothis wrote:The T-800 is clearly a resislient machine- in T1 it got shot at, hit round the hit with a metal pole, hit by a car, knocked off a motor bike at speed, hit by a truck, and had both legs and an arm blown off and still kept coming. It can take a pounding.
In T2 it again took alot of bullets, being thrown through walls, having it's arm ground up by large mechanical cogs, having the T-1000 batter it silly with a pole and being pounded by whatever that thing was that the T-1000 kept using as a battering ram. It also survived having it's insides worked by said pole, and having said pole driven straight through it.
T-1000 can again take multiple gun shots, being thrown into things (such as walls), can survive serious impacts (such as the truck, helicopter), explosions (such as the truck), and though it was left damaged, survived being frozen and shattered. T-1000 also has that nifty ability to disguise itself as anyone, and doesn't need to acquire weapons. They come built in I guess in that sense, having a T-1000 stalk you would be far more terrifying.
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If you want to argue with what the T-800's own HUD said you can do it. I personally think it's worth believing . The T-800 is at risk from what are effectively pistol rounds.Alyeska wrote: T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire
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[/quote]Sea Skimmer wrote:If you want to argue with what the T-800's own HUD said you can do it. I personally think it's worth believing . The T-800 is at risk from what are effectively pistol rounds.Alyeska wrote: T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire
But at what stage of either Terminator film did we see gunfire damage a T-800? Aside from shooting away the skin, the T-800 seemed to cope fine in both films. His HUD was either wrong, or perhaps referring to skin damage.
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But at what stage of either Terminator film did we see gunfire damage a T-800? Aside from shooting away the skin, the T-800 seemed to cope fine in both films. His HUD was either wrong, or perhaps referring to skin damage.[/quote]Sothis wrote:Sea Skimmer wrote:If you want to argue with what the T-800's own HUD said you can do it. I personally think it's worth believing . The T-800 is at risk from what are effectively pistol rounds.Alyeska wrote: T-800s are not damaged by 9mm fire
The t800 is also an infiltration unit, damaged camouflage would damage it's mission immensely. Terminators exist for the mission.
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I'd definately fear the T-1000 more. It seems to be at least on par for strength and toughness and from my POV seems to be superior in agility, stealth and infiltration.
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The T-1000 is far more of a threat to you than the T-800.
For all the terror of a T-800 it isn't nearly as capable in the assassination role as the T-1000. Your chances of incapacitation of the T-800 are much more feasible than if you were facing a T-1000.
A T-1000 can appear as anyone it has touched, or even objects. The T-800 cannot do so.
For all the terror of a T-800 it isn't nearly as capable in the assassination role as the T-1000. Your chances of incapacitation of the T-800 are much more feasible than if you were facing a T-1000.
A T-1000 can appear as anyone it has touched, or even objects. The T-800 cannot do so.