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Wanktastic Warhammer 40,000 Battleship

Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 02:58am

Shown in this thread.

I was thinking of using it in a fanfic. Can anyone help me with information on it? I do not own any source in which it appears. Timeframe? Allegiance? Capabilities?
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Re: Wanktastic Warhammer 40,000 Battleship

Post by Zablorg » 2008-05-30 04:43am

Darth Hoth wrote: Allegiance?
Damn, it's a hard one man, but if I had to guess I'd probably say... Chaos? :P
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Post by Lone_Prodigy » 2008-05-30 04:47am

It appears during the comic series Bloodquest, it's commanded by a demon prince of Tzeentch. It was built using the resources of a single demon-world, and apparently two similarly-sized Imperium battlewagons engaged it in the comic.
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 05:01am

Zablorg wrote:
Darth Hoth wrote: Allegiance?
Damn, it's a hard one man, but if I had to guess I'd probably say... Chaos? :P
As Ghost Rider might have put it, no shit Sherlock.

For of course, we know Chaos to be a perfectly united and monolithic force in which individual factions do not warrant description, yes? :wink:
Lone_Prodigy wrote:It appears during the comic series Bloodquest, it's commanded by a demon prince of Tzeentch. It was built using the resources of a single demon-world, and apparently two similarly-sized Imperium battlewagons engaged it in the comic.
Wait... does the Imperium of Man have ships of that size?!
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Post by Ford Prefect » 2008-05-30 05:32am

Shit man, I had totally forgotten about that thread. That's like one of the only debates I've ever had (and it turns out that Zentei was right*, given that if it fought two Imperial ships of similar size, it was totally out of continuity). The ship in question was the flagship of one fallen Blood Angel, Leonatos. It appeared some time between the Gothic War and the 13th Crusade, and was destroyed at the climax of Bloodquest.


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Post by Steel » 2008-05-30 05:36am

I think this gets written off to a screw up due to the warp bending the image or something. If that really is the size of the ship in realspace, then it is at least 50 times the volume of one of the moons of mars, and considerably bigger than any known imperial warships. The smallest chaos destroyers are over 1km long, and the ships in front of the massive one look like the larger 3km+ cruisers.

The only numerous ships of that size are the eldar craftworlds. It is concievable that a daemon world could produce one of these massive ships, but the fact it was engaged successfully by Imperial ships its own size means that it is not actually the size of a craftworld.

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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 06:31am

So it is non-canon, then? A pity... I had plans for that ship, even more so if the Imperium also had them...
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Post by white_rabbit » 2008-05-30 06:55am

Darth Hoth wrote:So it is non-canon, then? A pity... I had plans for that ship, even more so if the Imperium also had them...
Not particularly,?
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Post by NecronLord » 2008-05-30 06:58am

It's not impossible to reconcile; there's bound to be some huge and majestic stuff hanging around the Cadian Gate that shames more mundane vessels of the Imperium's navy.
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Post by 18-Till-I-Die » 2008-05-30 07:45am

If it was built in the Eye, then i could easily see it being real.

Remember the Planet Killer? They figured it wouldnt even be possible to do that one, outside of the Eye, even though it worked fine outside of the Eye of Terror.
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 08:20am

Are there any scans available of the supposed Imperial equivalents? Anything that could be used to quantify their abilities?
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Post by Lancer » 2008-05-30 09:25am

There aren't any Imperial equivalents; whoever said that misread the book. It was met with two Imperial warfleets, not two Imperial ships of the same size.

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Post by Cykeisme » 2008-05-30 09:51am

If such things exist, and they weren't built through the magic of warpfuckery (i.e. in the Eye of Terror), the only way I can see them existing is if they're truly ancient relics from the Dark Age of Technology, and the ability to build anything approaching the sheer giganticoriness of those monumentally phallic pieces of awesomology was lost millenia even before the Great Crusade.

Like, a mere handful of them, and the ones in Imperial control are always parked outside the the Cadian Gate just in case the ones in Chaos control ever decide to come a-saunterin' out.
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 11:11am

Lancer wrote:There aren't any Imperial equivalents; whoever said that misread the book. It was met with two Imperial warfleets, not two Imperial ships of the same size.
No Imperial megaships? Boo hoo... :cry:
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Post by Teleros » 2008-05-30 12:41pm

Well it's just not stated that there are any. Add in a little artistic license (this is a fanfic we're talking about) and voila.

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Post by white_rabbit » 2008-05-30 12:51pm

The interpretation that there are two imperial megaships and fleets opposing comes I imagine from the holosphere tactical display that is shown, with one humongous shape representing Garshuls ride, and smaller ones showing a spread of other ships. Opposing it/intercepting it are two other humongous shapes of similar size, plus some other smaller bits.


I always imagined some sort of tremendous cheating went on, Garshul piled together an equivalent mass of junk, and pledged the first trillion dead to tzeentch if someone could see their way to transmuting it into a big ship.

Like the daemon in Hammer of Daemons, Garshul might have had a really nasty welcome waiting for him if he returned without the cash to pay his loan, :lol:

I'll scan the relevant pages responsible for the conjecture in, I suppose its appropriate, given I posted the huge ass ship piccy :D
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 12:55pm

Teleros wrote:Well it's just not stated that there are any. Add in a little artistic license (this is a fanfic we're talking about) and voila.
Well, it is, but it is a crossover, so I am under pressure to be "fair" in not misrepresenting either side. Thus, I am basically not inventing anything new.
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Post by white_rabbit » 2008-05-30 01:01pm

Darth Hoth wrote:
Teleros wrote:Well it's just not stated that there are any. Add in a little artistic license (this is a fanfic we're talking about) and voila.
Well, it is, but it is a crossover, so I am under pressure to be "fair" in not misrepresenting either side. Thus, I am basically not inventing anything new.
If you want an Ubership, its probably easier to have the chaos dudes snaffle a space hulk and pimp it out, its been done before, the things can be suitably, tremendously hugetastic, Purge the Unclean gives the known range of spacehulk mass from a single escape pod to things that are only outsized by the largest gas giants
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2008-05-30 01:33pm

My thanks for the tip; I shall look into the idea.
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Post by Bob the Gunslinger » 2008-05-30 02:13pm

NecronLord wrote:It's not impossible to reconcile; there's bound to be some huge and majestic stuff hanging around the Cadian Gate that shames more mundane vessels of the Imperium's navy.
Space marine legions had access to ships of that size back in the day. In Flight of the Eisenstein, there is a moon-sized ship ferrying Rogal Dorn around, so someone had top be able to build them huge.
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Post by Connor MacLeod » 2008-05-30 02:28pm

I thought there was disagreement on the actual scaling (The scaling primariyl dependent upon the vessels in the foreground. Some of those in the background are harder to identify, even though they superficially look like they're identical to the ones in the foreground.)

There's laso the issue that the foreground pictures are of an unknown distance from the big ship.

And, the smallest vessels that can enter the warp are a matter of debate. I've seen destroyers (or destroyer sized vessels) as small as half a kilometer, and implied vessels of a few hundred meters being warp capable.

The thread discussed all this before. It could be larger than conventional warships (quite a bit larger, but nto neccesarily the 70+ km stateD) but the arguments put forth in here also provide ample rationalization for it without tossing it out.

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Post by Connor MacLeod » 2008-05-30 02:51pm

oh and just for shits and giggles... depending on the vessels in foreground and background's sizes (say between 1-1.5 km at least.. probably 2x3 times that) I'd guess the Divine Right in the BFG rulebook is about 1-3 km tall... and about 9-15 km long (roughly).

Note that even if it were only 8-9 km long, the Emperor-class is probably closer in volume/mass to an Executor due to its size in other dimensions.

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Also, given the probable number of Battleships the Imperium has (as I've noted before) they probably have a fuckton of them. Though they are slower to build than the Empire can build an Executor. (Decades or centuries, depending on where they're built and by who.)
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Post by Bob the Gunslinger » 2008-05-30 02:59pm

The ship in Eye of Terror was warp capable, and it was less than half a kilometer in size. In fact, It may have been less than 100m in length--it has a crew of 2, including the navigator, and is consistently described in a manner more fitting for the Millennium Falcon than for a cap ship.
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Post by Connor MacLeod » 2008-05-30 03:06pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:The ship in Eye of Terror was warp capable, and it was less than half a kilometer in size. In fact, It may have been less than 100m in length--it has a crew of 2, including the navigator, and is consistently described in a manner more fitting for the Millennium Falcon than for a cap ship.
Given teh height in the novel, and assuming dimensions roughly typical fro most freighterS (like the trader in Eisenhorn) the thing is probably not much bigger than a Corellian Corvette, though it could be a few hundred meters if its length to hight ratio is different (ie more.. I doubt it would be much less.)

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Post by Lord Revan » 2008-05-30 03:06pm

The Eisenstein (a pre-heresy Death Guard Frigate) and it's just over 2km in length, so the imperium has built some true monsters in it's time.
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