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British Christians, Jews and Muslims unite in hatred of gays

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BBC wrote: Faith rally over gay rights bill

Religious groups are to protest outside Parliament in an attempt to halt legislation banning discrimination against lesbians and gay men.


Organisers say the Sexual Orientation Regulations would limit their right to live according to religious beliefs.

In the House of Lords, peers are to debate a motion calling for the regulations, already in force in Northern Ireland, to be annulled.

Outside, Christians, Jews and Muslims will gather for a torch-lit protest.

The rally is to be held in Old Palace Yard opposite the St Stephen's entrance to the House of Lords, Westminster from 1730 GMT to 2000 GMT. It is due to start when the Lords debate the motion.

Several thousand people are expected to take part.

The legislation would ban discrimination in the provision of goods, facilities and services on the basis of sexuality.

Hotels could be prosecuted for refusing to provide rooms for gay couples and parishes obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.

Equally, gay bars would not be able to ban straight couples.

Thomas Cordrey, barrister and public policy analyst with the Lawyers' Christian Fellowship, said: "The debate in the Lords is a signal to the government of the need to acknowledge these regulations do not currently strike the correct balance between two competing rights.

"Christians have no desire to discriminate unjustly on the grounds of sexual orientation, but they cannot and must not be forced to actively condone and promote sexual practices which the Bible teaches are wrong.

"It is a fundamental matter of freedom of conscience," Mr Cordrey said.

Rally organiser Ade Omooba said: "Senior lawyers have expressed the view that unless these regulations are amended, they will outlaw discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, only to replace it with discrimination on the grounds of religion."

Under the new regulations, protestors say the right to religious belief could be discriminated against in the following examples:

* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim printer could be legally forced to print a flyer for a gay night club or gay pride march and would be denied the right to refuse carry out the work as a matter of religious conscience.

* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim teacher could be breaking the law if they seek to promote heterosexual marriage instead of homosexual civil partnership - even if homosexuality is at odds with the teacher's faith

* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim IT consultant could be forced to build a website promoting gay rights.

But gay rights group OutRage! accused religious leaders of "scaremongering, lies and hypocrisy".

Peter Tatchell told BBC News "These regulations do not legalise, or illegalise, people's beliefs.

"They do not impinge on what people believe, on opinions they express, on attitudes or values.

"People are still free to hold their beliefs, to live their lives according to their own morality and... their own religious beliefs. The law proposed does not change that one iota.

"All it does is extend to lesbian and gay people the same protection against discrimination as is already existing to protect women, black people and Christians, Jews, Muslims and other people of faith."

Isn't it just heart warming to see the assorted branches of the Abrahamic faiths setting aside their differences for once and united in demanding their right to continue to discriminate against a minority they've enthusiastically persecuted for millenia.
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I'm tired of people acting as though these three religions are really that much different from each other. Their basic character is the same; the only difference is in the details. The worst is when idiots refer to them as "The World's Three Great Religions".
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It is odd that anybody can seriously talk of Judaism as being 'greater' than Hinduism, Buddhism or even Sikhism which are all considerably larger, the first two massively so. You hear people doing so pretty regularly though.
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A Christian, Jewish or Muslim printer could be legally forced to print a flyer for a gay night club or gay pride march and would be denied the right to refuse carry out the work as a matter of religious conscience.
Since none of those activities are illegal in the country who's laws you are expected to follow, you've got no case.
* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim teacher could be breaking the law if they seek to promote heterosexual marriage instead of homosexual civil partnership - even if homosexuality is at odds with the teacher's faith
Prolytizing personal relationships either way should not be legal, as they are both a private matter.
* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim IT consultant could be forced to build a website promoting gay rights.
Which is also not illegal, and since your job is providing a service, you are expected to do so.

What a lying, conceeded dipshit.
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* A Christian, Jewish or Muslim IT consultant could be forced to build a website promoting gay rights.
:lol: That made me laugh my ass off. "Forced"? Well if you are contracted to make a gay website, go and fucking quit! :lol: What if this dipshit was "forced" to build a website promoting satanism, atheism or... evilution? I didn't see him object to that :lol:
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Given we allow same sex marriage i reckon this hasn't got a cat in hells chance of not passing.


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I honestly can't believe discrimination of this type isn't ALREADY illegal under other legislation.
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What I REALLY get steamed over is how most homophobes, whether religious, blue-collar or a bit of both in nature, seem to think that this amounts to homosexuals having MORE rights and privelages than heterosexuals. This apparently creates a huge class division that they are getting the short end of the stick on, just because they're trying to secure certain basic rights and opportunities.
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:What I REALLY get steamed over is how most homophobes, whether religious, blue-collar or a bit of both in nature, seem to think that this amounts to homosexuals having MORE rights and privelages than heterosexuals. This apparently creates a huge class division that they are getting the short end of the stick on, just because they're trying to secure certain basic rights and opportunities.
It's the same mentality of racists that say <insert minority here> have more privileges than they do. Just a different flavor.
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Stark wrote:I honestly can't believe discrimination of this type isn't ALREADY illegal under other legislation.
Indeed. I am all for freedom of speech - except for fundie morons like these. I hope they are ruthlessly oppressed by the police 'guarding' their protest, fuckers. :finger:
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General Zod wrote:
TithonusSyndrome wrote:What I REALLY get steamed over is how most homophobes, whether religious, blue-collar or a bit of both in nature, seem to think that this amounts to homosexuals having MORE rights and privelages than heterosexuals. This apparently creates a huge class division that they are getting the short end of the stick on, just because they're trying to secure certain basic rights and opportunities.
It's the same mentality of racists that say <insert minority here> have more privileges than they do. Just a different flavor.
And it's at least 95% the exact same assholes as your aforementioned racists, with the exception of their own brainwashed children.
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These protests have been barely mentioned on most of the news shows. Guess the even journalists are getting bored with them, heh
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How nice it is to see the people of the various Abrahamic religions come together and work for a common goal. :roll:

Damn intolerant people.
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Stark wrote:I honestly can't believe discrimination of this type isn't ALREADY illegal under other legislation.
I've actually run into a Jew who said that it should be illegal to say that the Holocaust never happened, because that's how hatred is spread. However, he believed that it would be wrong to punish people for saying that homosexuals are abominations who deserve death. I tried to explain the contradiction to him, without success.

Apparently, according to people like this, it is totally wrong to preach hatred against Jews. but when you preach hatred against homosexuals it's OK because you are just explaining the laws of God.
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Did you call him a moron? How do you deal with people like that in person?
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Galvatron wrote:Did you call him a moron? How do you deal with people like that in person?
I usually call them morons, but in a more carefully worded way than I do here. My behaviour in real-life is more tactful than it is here but I still tend to say the same basic things. I've said things like "You really should have spent more time in school" or "Too bad you never got a real education" to someone's face before.
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Do you get slapped around a lot?
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Isana Kadeb wrote:Do you get slapped around a lot?
No. I have a mesomorph build and I'm fairly solid-looking. Besides, I move in normal adult society, not the biker underworld or the dipshit high school environment where people just get into fights all the time with no legal consequences.
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And you live in Canada, which Americans generally picture as being like San Angeles from Demolition Man. :)
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Darth Wong wrote:
Galvatron wrote:Did you call him a moron? How do you deal with people like that in person?
I usually call them morons, but in a more carefully worded way than I do here. My behaviour in real-life is more tactful than it is here but I still tend to say the same basic things. I've said things like "You really should have spent more time in school" or "Too bad you never got a real education" to someone's face before.
I should try that, although I really can't say I have many opportunities. San Antonio's not big on fundamentalist bullfuckery.
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Isana Kadeb wrote:Do you get slapped around a lot?
No. I have a mesomorph build and I'm fairly solid-looking. Besides, I move in normal adult society, not the biker underworld or the dipshit high school environment where people just get into fights all the time with no legal consequences.
That's what I like about proper civilized society. Fistfights get you in Trouble Big T, not little t like in High School. Even little ol' stickboy me gets along nicely so long as I avoid situations I can't use my brain to solve or escape.
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Listen guys, if you say someone is stupid, you clearly get physically attacked. This is how adult society in the western world works, okay? :lol:
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Isana Kadeb may have asked a seemingly-stupid question but the point is that some people don't like being called morons to their face.

DW is lucky because he's built like a tank. But even so, he remembers to be tactful. And not everybody is a mesomorph that bodybuilds (and has a mind that's as sharp as razor wire... ok I'm done sucking up).
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Huh? Are you honestly in fear that if you say 'no, that's stupid' or 'go back to school' someone is going to hit you? How rough exactly is Melbourne? :shock:
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Stark wrote:Huh? Are you honestly in fear that if you say 'no, that's stupid' or 'go back to school' someone is going to hit you? How rough exactly is Melbourne? :shock:
It's not that Melbourne is rough, it's just that through no fault of my own I've met some rough characters.

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