Back in the summer, a link to Darkstar's site was included in the "External Links" section at the bottom of the article. Most of the article was decently-written and included the standard "EU is canon" quotes, but I found it unacceptable that Scooter's brain-damaged propaganda would be listed as a source.
I fought to have it removed, citing the numerous clear statements from LFL employees that the EU is canon. Only the above-mentioned retards had no interest in logically debating this. Instead, they're Rules and Golden Mean whores, who promote a twisted perversion of "neutrality" that is all too common at Wikipedia. Instead of treating this as a matter of fact (determined exactly by what LFL decides to be its own company's fucking policy), these idiots treat the dispute as a matter of personal opinion. You see, it doesn't matter if George Lucas, Leland Chee, Steve Sansweet, and any number of insiders have been quoted supporting the canonicity of the EU. Different people (and by this they're really talking about the small minority of pathetic Trektard fanboys who stupidly and/or arrogantly dispute what LFL tells them) have their opinions on SW canon, and I just have to accept and respect that.
Using Wikipedia's own guidelines stating that External Links have to be factually correct, I challenged them to provide evidence supporting Scooter's claims. Not surprisingly, they were completely evasive, refusing to provide evidence because they supposedly already had, and I was just ignoring it. They continued with this even after I wrote up a summary of all the posts one of them had made (complete with specific dates) showing that he had done no such thing. The way these guys have acted is downright embarrassing. They have carried on with this behavior for months now, and the discussion page is ridiculously repetitive because of that (read it at the risk of losing brain cells).
Along with their WoI/evasions, these two idiots are in love with the ad hominem, and appeals to some retarded, supposed rules and customs at Wikipedia. You see, they're "experienced editors" who have spent a lot of time making edits to a bunch of other articles completely irrelevant to the debate. Most of my edits at Wikipedia have been on this one article, so I'm a n00b who focuses on only one issue, because I might have an axe to grind against poor ol' Scooter. As someone with few edits, I should work with the "community" rather than against it, and respect the "consensus" arrived at by experienced editors like them. While some other people have made a few posts on both sides of the debate, the last few months have basically been just me vs. the two of them. I didn't know two guys qualified as a "community" or "consensus."
I pointed out that although I had made relatively few edits at the main Wikipedia, I had made numerous edits on a wide variety of subjects at SW Wiki (Wookieepedia) under the same name. I've repeated this several times to them, and they KNOW this. But as recently as today, TheRealFennShysa brought up the lack of diversity in my edits. Because you know, SW Wiki is a completely different thing than regular Wiki. Even when the article in question is about SW.
In addition to this "experienced editor" bullshit, they try to shift the focus of the discussion from the facts and evidence, to how rude I am. Many times, they've tossed one of Wiki's pre-made warnings and ban threats at me, hoping to intimidate me into backing off.
Finally, after much bullshitting, they finally gave up on trying to defend the link's factual accuracy, and allowed the link to be removed. But, as is typical for losers across Wikipedia, they quickly added a "Controversy" section. In this section, they put BACK the link to Darkstar's site, and said that there were both people for and against the EU's inclusion in canon, with both sides claiming to be right. To cap it all off, they took a part of Steve Sansweet's "foggy windows" quote (the line where he quotes Obi-Wan about different POVs), and put it in that controversy section to make it look like Sansweet was saying that canon policy was open for interpretation. What Sansweet was actually referring to was the different artistic interpretations or practical changes that had to be made when translating SW to different mediums (such as game mechanics or the way a certain artist draws things), but these guys are taking it completely out of context. Completely dishonest bullshit.
TheRealFennShysa is a 39-year-old fanboy who's part of the staff at TFN (something he told me himself, it wasn't like I searched the internet for info about him). While his being part of the staff isn't surprising (TFN tends to attract idiots, as you're all aware of), I'm surprised that he supports the movie purists. It would be amusing, though pathetic, if McEwok were to hear about this and get involved, pitting his Wall of Ignorance against TheRealFennShysa's. This guy is a middle-aged man almost two fucking decades older than me, but my little sister can argue a point more effectively than he has.
As a side-rant, Wikipedia is absolutely pathetic. Since these guys are such sticklers for the "rules," I've been searching for a Wikipedia rule requiring evidence and reasoning to support any claims you post. Nothing so far. It's disgraceful that a purported "encyclopedia" has an environment where evasive, dishonest shitheads like these guys can thrive virtually unchecked, while I can be "warned" if I call them on their dishonesty without being meek and polite about it. Today, I posted in the Community Portal asking for information about evidence requirements at Wiki. I got this response:
Just for the record, I had a grand total of three words typed in caps. This guy seemed nice enough, and he didn't get involved in the debate and say something stupid. But JESUS CHRIST is this a pussy-ass site.Howdy. I followed from the argument/note at Wikipedia talk:Community Portal. I don't have any comments on the issue itself, I just wanted to quickly point out that ALL-CAPS and bold text are considered shouting within online forums (never a good idea, as shouting indicates that one has lost their calm). If I might, I recommend that instead you use italic type to emphasize your keywords. Thanks
For the past few months, I haven't bothered posting about this idiocy in a thread here at SD.net, figuring that these guys were such basic, low-level morons that it wouldn't interest anybody else. I also took a break from posting at Wiki or SW Wiki for the last month and a half because of real-life obligations, as well as to cut down from the stress (it's amazing how much better your day is when you can spend a couple hours relaxing or playing a computer game instead of dealing with these retards). But recently, when I had nothing better to do, I decided to lurk at another cesspool, GameFaqs, for the first time in a few months. If you're a masochist and enjoy pulling out your own hair, you might want to read the current Borg vs. Empire thread at GameFaqs's Star Trek board. I wouldn't reccommend wasting your time with the debate though.
SD.net was mentioned there but immediately dismissed as "biased" by Trektards who didn't even bother explaining how it was wrong. But the very same Wikipedia article I've been talking about was quoted and accepted as a source. The blithering retards there came to the conclusion that the EU wasn't canon because of it. Not that this was even related to the whole mess I'm talking about, they were typical reading-challenged Trektards who took the first line of Sansweet's quote about the movies being the only absolute canon, completely ignoring the parts where he said all the books were windows into the real SW universe and had nuggets of truth in them (they were such retards that they couldn't even come to the wrong conclusion in the "right way"). But getting back on topic, this shows the undeserved importance of Wikipedia. If you're a stupid teenager (or even a pathetic 39-year-old fanwhore), Wikipedia IS a valid source, and a good place to get information. This sad fact, along with the current existence of threads about other Trektard debates here in this forum, was what finally convinced me to post about this here.
Sorry if this is long, or in the wrong forum (move to Pure SW, or the HOS if that's where rants about these utter dumbasses belong). But if you have a Wiki account, please joint in and help on this article by making regular edits. With the "3 revert rule," I can only make so many changes per day. Since it's 2 against 1, and the current version is their's, these idiots always get the last word. It's not even just about the article itself, these dishonest assholes need to be called on their behavior.