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BBC America Greenlights "CSI: Ankh-Morpork"

Post by Zaune » 2018-10-31 12:10pm

Well, it's really called "The Watch", but you get the idea.
New Punk Rock Thriller is Based on Sir Terry Pratchett’s “Discworld” Novels

New York – October 30, 2018 – On the heels of hit series Killing Eve and the introduction of the first female Doctor on Doctor Who, BBC AMERICA announced today the greenlight of the new original scripted series, The Watch, based on Sir Terry Pratchett’s wildly popular “Discworld” novels, which have sold more than 90 million books worldwide. The (8 x 60) series is produced by BBC Studios for BBC AMERICA. The Watch is distributed by BBC Studios.

The Watch is a punk rock thriller inspired by the legendary ‘City Watch’ subset of “Discworld” novels. This disruptive, character-driven thriller centers on Terry Pratchett’s misfit cops as they fight to save a ramshackle city of normalized wrongness, from both the past and future in a perilous quest. Modern and inclusive, The Watch features many famous “Discworld” creations including City Watch Captain Sam Vimes, the last scion of nobility Lady Sybil Ramkin, the naïve but heroic Carrot, the mysterious Angua and the ingenious non-binary forensics expert Cheery together with Terry Pratchett’s iconic characterization of Death.

The Watch was commissioned for BBC AMERICA by President and GM Sarah Barnett, and Nena Rodrigue, EVP of Original Programming, Acquisitions and Production. Co-produced with Narrativia and written by Simon Allen (The Musketeers, Das Boot and New Tricks), The Watch is executive produced by Hilary Salmon (Luther, Silent Witness and Three Girls), Ben Donald for BBC Studios and Rob Wilkins for Narrativia. Phil Collinson (Doctor Who) also joins the team as executive producer.

“The Watch has been startlingly reimagined for television by writer Simon Allen, while still cleaving to the humor, heart and ingenuity of Terry Pratchett’s incomparably original work,” commented BBC AMERICA President, Sarah Barnett. “BBC AMERICA embraces what’s fresh and exhilarating in TV; we believe The Watch will astonish audiences.”

Writer Simon Allen said: “With events in our own world making the insanity of ‘Discworld’ seem outrageously familiar, there couldn’t be a better time to bring Terry’s fun, fire and fury back to the small screen or a better place than BBC AMERICA. I’m grateful to them, BBC Studios and especially Rob Wilkins at Narrativia who has been a constant source of inspiration on this epic and emotional journey.”

Hilary Salmon, Executive Producer and Head of BBC Studios Drama Production London, said: “The Watch is a distinctly British but defiantly global exhilarating, thriller that is disruptive in its approach to the fantasy genre and also big on the themes of mortality, inclusion, alternative facts and justice. It’s a dizzying riot of hope, joy, suspense and audaciously dark humor. We can’t wait to work with BBC AMERICA to bring it all to life for existing fans and brand new audiences.”

Rob Wilkins, Executive Producer and Managing Director of Narrativia, said: “Many years ago Terry made the brave decision to allow brand new Watch stories to be told with his existing characters. It’s taken a long time for anything to happen because we guard these characters with our very lives! So many of Terry’s biggest ideas seem more vital and urgent now than ever before and I am thrilled to be working with Simon and such a talented team, who understand the unique genius of their creator. They have really keyed into the subversive qualities of Terry’s voice and they clearly adore ‘Discworld’ as much as I and millions of fans around the world do.”

The new series joins an outstanding offering of original scripted programming at BBC AMERICA including the Emmy®-nominated Killing Eve starring Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer, the iconic series Doctor Who starring Jodie Whittaker, and the Golden Globe®-winning Luther starring Idris Elba.
And no, I don't know what they mean by "Punk Rock Thriller" either.
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Re: BBC America Greenlights "CSI: Ankh-Morpork"

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-10-31 12:58pm

Startlingly reimagned?
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Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2018-10-31 04:08pm

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-10-31 05:47pm

Its going to have to be somewhat reimagined to fit the format of a TV series like this, I imagine.

Just once, I wish we could do without the knee-jerk "WAHHH, THEY CHANGED IT SO ITS RUIIINNED!" refrain from the fanbase the moment an adaptation is announced. But I know that wish is futile.

I'll give it a chance. If its good, good. If it sucks, no big deal. Just don't watch it. I think Mr. Pratchett's reputation is fairly secure at this point.
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Post by Zaune » 2018-10-31 06:17pm

I too am reserving judgement until we have at least a trailer. But they'd better not screw this up.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-10-31 06:58pm

Yeah, the Watch series is my favorite of Pratchett's work (especially Guards! Guards! and Night Watch), and is long over due for an adaptation.
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Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-11-01 07:28am

This will really depend on how cheap and lazy they are and whether or not we'll see the equivalent of Netflix's 'Bright', IE, 'Orc Cops' in modern day LA with no real explanation on why this world isn't as different as it should be.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2018-11-03 05:17pm

There are some interesting bits in the article:
punk rock thriller
No clue what this means.
the mysterious Angua
I'm curious how long they are going to try and keep what she a mystery to the viewers who haven't read the books.

non-binary forensics expert Cheery
Everything I can remember about Cheery has being definitely female. So I'd like to understand how someone could interpret Cheery as non-binary.
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2018-11-01 07:28am
This will really depend on how cheap and lazy they are and whether or not we'll see the equivalent of Netflix's 'Bright', IE, 'Orc Cops' in modern day LA with no real explanation on why this world isn't as different as it should be.
That would be a major change from the Discworld of the books. Sure, taking a fantasy IP and putting it in a modern world is not unheard of, but it's not something I'll be worried about until I see some confirmation that it's what's happening.

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-11-03 05:21pm

Ank-Morpork is kind of a weird hodge-podge of a bunch of different cities and times, where Pratchett threw in anything that made for an interesting story or idea.
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-11-03 06:16pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2018-11-03 05:17pm
non-binary forensics expert Cheery
Everything I can remember about Cheery has being definitely female. So I'd like to understand how someone could interpret Cheery as non-binary.

Indeed, Cheery's problem that she wanted to be binary in a non-binary culture. Dwarfs all presenting as masculine. Her situation though is a sort of a fantasy equivalent metaphor for transgender/non-binariness though.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2018-11-03 06:32pm

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2018-11-03 06:16pm
Indeed, Cheery's problem that she wanted to be binary in a non-binary culture. Dwarfs all presenting as masculine. Her situation though is a sort of a fantasy equivalent metaphor for transgender/non-binariness though.
I've always thought of Discworld dwarves as all presenting as male, but I can see why calling them non-binary could fit better. Which answers my question: Cheery starts off seeing herself as non-binary due to tradition.

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Post by Steve » 2018-11-15 03:58am

One article writer's descriptions aren't enough to frighten me off.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2018-11-15 04:44am

Steve wrote:
2018-11-15 03:58am
One article writer's descriptions aren't enough to frighten me off.
Even when it's a press release on the website of the company making the series ?

Though there is nothing in it that I'm actually worried about. At worst, punk rock thriller is something I just don't understand yet.

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Post by Zaune » 2020-01-18 07:00am

Well, we have more details... And it doesn't look good.
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Zaune wrote:
2020-01-18 07:00am
Well, we have more details... And it doesn't look good.
And things I have problems with.
"Cheery will be presented as non-binary human who was orphaned and raised by dwarves as a child"
WHAT? That's CARROT, not Cheery. Cheery was a FULL DWARF, who happened to like presenting as a FEMALE.

Why is Angua that SHORT?! And how is a open front chain 'vest' going to protect your vitals, Carrot?? At least he's tall and ginger, like he's supposed to be.

" Lady Sybil Ramkin, who has turned to vigilantism to go after the criminals the Watch no longer has the power to pursue themselves."
What the unholy fuck are they talking about? And why is she a "Last Noble"?
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Post by Majin Gojira » 2020-01-18 04:05pm

The Sybil thing really rings alarm bells for me.
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Post by Batman » 2020-01-18 04:28pm

Angua being tiny would actually make sense (I don't recall what the books say about that)-for Discworld shapechangers conservation of mass is a thing (hence vampires turning into an entire 'flock' of bats) so she'd either have to be a rather smallish woman or a 'really' beefy wolf.
But I agree that this does not look like what I want my Watch adaption to look like.
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Post by SpottedKitty » 2020-01-18 07:08pm

LadyTevar wrote:
2020-01-18 02:54pm
Cheery was a FULL DWARF, who happened to like presenting as a FEMALE.
IIRC the traditional gender of a Discworld dwarf is "dwarf". And are they even going to use her full name?
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Why is Angua that SHORT?! And how is a open front chain 'vest' going to protect your vitals, Carrot?? At least he's tall and ginger, like he's supposed to be.
Well, her hair colour's almost right (described as "ash-blonde") but there's not nearly enough of it. And IIRC Carrot is supposed to be so muscular across the shoulders he's almost triangular-shaped, with (I think) his hair in a barely-there extreme buzzcut.
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" Lady Sybil Ramkin,
She's supposed to have a body type generally described as "a galleon under full sail". No mention I can see of swamp dragons, unless that's what she used as a weapon in the last photo in the Gizmodo article. :banghead:

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Post by Batman » 2020-01-18 07:33pm

Guys? Combining quote and spoiler tags still doesn't work
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Post by SpottedKitty » 2020-01-18 07:38pm

Batman wrote:
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Guys? Combining quote and spoiler tags still doesn't work
Drat, sorry, forgot about that. I thought the glitch was "always shows" instead of "never opens", so when the preview looked OK, I thought it worked.
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Post by Batman » 2020-01-18 07:47pm

It apparently works in the preview and for your 'own' posts but still seems borked otherwise, at least for me.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'

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Post by bilateralrope » 2020-01-18 09:40pm

It sounds like someone had a completely unrelated story they wrote. Then someone decided to shove it into Discworld to try and make it sell better.
SpottedKitty wrote:
2020-01-18 07:38pm
Batman wrote:
2020-01-18 07:33pm
Guys? Combining quote and spoiler tags still doesn't work
Drat, sorry, forgot about that. I thought the glitch was "always shows" instead of "never opens", so when the preview looked OK, I thought it worked.
I've seen both ways. I've also seen the spoiler button cause the timestamp on a quote to appear/disappear when you click it.

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Post by SpottedKitty » 2020-01-18 09:50pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2020-01-18 09:40pm
It sounds like someone had a completely unrelated story they wrote. Then someone decided to shove it into Discworld to try and make it sell better.
Sort of like what happened to the first "Starship Troopers" film? Bleah...
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Post by Batman » 2020-01-18 09:56pm

I can confirm the disappearing time stamp issue
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'

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Post by bilateralrope » 2020-01-20 08:44am

I wonder if someone was scared about the audience reaction to depicting Cheery as she is in the books. Discworld dwarves have very little sexual dimorphism that appears male to the human perspective. Cheery refuses to cut off her beard because doing that would be to deny that she is a dwarf. If you wanted to depict her accurate to the books, you'd probably have to go with an actor that appears male. That's going to clash with how people imagined her every time she is on screen, instead of letting people not think about it. Then there are the people who watch this without having read any of the books.

I'm hoping that Gizmodo got the plot details wrong.

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