Killing a T-1000

[SylasGaunt]

The collector's booklet that came with the T2 ultimate edition DVD also said it was the freezing and shattering that did it.

[BenRG]

I'm wondering if it was the heat of the molten steel that killed the T-1000 in T2. Could have the problem been that it was in a tank of liquid metal? It sounds odd, but a combination of concussion damage, the freezing, the heat and being immersed in liquid metal (even if it is molecularly different from the material the T-100 is made of) might have 'confused' the component nanobots/molecules and made them wander off in different directions, unable to find the central mass anymore.

If this sounds stupid, ignore it. It has been a long day. However, I like this little brainstorm result and I want to share it.

[Darth Wong]

I'm wondering if it was the heat of the molten steel that killed the T-1000 in T2. Could have the problem been that it was in a tank of liquid metal? It sounds odd, but a combination of concussion damage, the freezing, the heat and being immersed in liquid metal (even if it is molecularly different from the material the T-100 is made of) might have 'confused' the component nanobots/molecules and made them wander off in different directions, unable to find the central mass anymore.

If this sounds stupid, ignore it. It has been a long day. However, I like this little brainstorm result and I want to share it.

Why overlook a more obvious explanation in favour of this one?

[His Divine Shadow]

Considering what Qui-gon Jinn's lightsaber did to (at least steel) blast doors in TPM, lightsabers impart a tremendous amount of thermal energy along the blade. One wonders why the Jedi don't get burned just being near them.

Magic, obviously

Force-shield, official jedi power.

[His Divine Shadow]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

But Lightsaber blade do produce any thermal effects, in some EU they are actually cold. While they burn through objects, they do not generate heat. It's the whole enigma of a lightsaber.

This is why I'm starting to hate Star Wars. No one can seem to make up their damn minds about how things are.

I think it's obvious it's been cleared up for a great while, the Lightsaber blade is so efficient it does not release any waste heat beyond it's glow until it strikes a solid material.

[Oberleutnant]

T-800s with plastic skin (easy to detect)

A typo perhaps? I think it was the T-600s who had the plastic skin.

There's one thing about the first Terminator film that has been bugging me for ages: Was that a T-800 which infiltrated the resistance base in Sarah's dream scene? It definetely wasn't Arnold!

[neoolong]

T-800s with plastic skin (easy to detect)

A typo perhaps? I think it was the T-600s who had the plastic skin.

There's one thing about the first Terminator film that has been bugging me for ages: Was that a T-800 which infiltrated the resistance base in Sarah's dream scene? It definetely wasn't Arnold!

You know, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when the enemy knows that everyone that looks like Arnold is a terminator.

[FX]

I had always assumed the Terminator from the dream sequence was a T 800. I remember in T2 Arnold spouted his full type as a T800 body model 101. To me this meant that they had a lot of different faces/body styles to hide the endoskeleton under. Personally I'd make a number of them fat and/or old because they would be scrutinized less, and underestimated physically more often.

[Oberleutnant]

T-800s with plastic skin (easy to detect)

A typo perhaps? I think it was the T-600s who had the plastic skin.

There's one thing about the first Terminator film that has been bugging me for ages: Was that a T-800 which infiltrated the resistance base in Sarah's dream scene? It definetely wasn't Arnold!

You know, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when the enemy knows that everyone that looks like Arnold is a terminator.

I shouldn't have added that last line. I merely tried to be helpful for those who haven't neccessarily seen the first film, but I failed to express myself clearly enough. Because it's so late, I can put the blame on lack of sleep...

Let me rephrase my question: Was the Terminator in Sarah's dream scene a T-600 or T-800?

I find it weird that Skynet created to so many identical "Arnold T-800s" for infiltration duties and made them speak accented English.

[Oberleutnant]

I had always assumed the Terminator from the dream sequence was a T 800. I remember in T2 Arnold spouted his full type as a T800 body model 101. To me this meant that they had a lot of different faces/body styles to hide the endoskeleton under. Personally I'd make a number of them fat and/or old because they would be scrutinized less, and underestimated physically more often.

That would be an interesting explanation for what "model 101" means...

[neoolong]

A typo perhaps? I think it was the T-600s who had the plastic skin.

There's one thing about the first Terminator film that has been bugging me for ages: Was that a T-800 which infiltrated the resistance base in Sarah's dream scene? It definetely wasn't Arnold!

You know, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when the enemy knows that everyone that looks like Arnold is a terminator.

I shouldn't have added that last line. I merely tried to be helpful for those who haven't neccessarily seen the first film, but I failed to express myself clearly enough. Because it's so late, I can put the blame on lack of sleep...

Let me rephrase my question: Was the Terminator in Sarah's dream scene a T-600 or T-800?

I find it weird that Skynet created to so many identical "Arnold T-800s" for infiltration duties and made them speak accented English.

The books or comics say that the terminator was based on a model, that you guessed it, looks just like Arnie. They don't seem to have a facial reconfiguration program so probably a lot of the terminators end up looking the same. It doesn't really matter because their job is to kill, so the faces wouldn't be that recognizable since most that see it, die.

There are probably more faces, like the terminator in Terminator 1 in the future sequence.

Screamers had something similar. Where different types look like different people.

[BenRG]

I always thought that it was 'Cyberdyne Systems Model 101, series 800'. That would mean that 101 is the model number (probably referring to the endoskeleton type or maybe the CPU version). Series 800 refers to those Terminators with vat-grown flesh as camoflage.

[Pcm979]

The not-Arnold model could have been an Infiltrator.

[The Nomad]

Well, I'd say that Culture's ground forces ass-rape the T-1000 pretty easily.

Humans : combat suits ( efficient against everything but high-powered ground weaponry, sensors, effectors, superhuman strenght - much more than 4 men, anti-grav... 'nuff said ) and handguns more powerful than Zakalwe's plasma rifle ( near - kiloton range according to my estimations )...

Drones : supersonic flight and diehard manoeuvrability ( in Excession, an Elench drone, slightly inferior to Culture's ones, reached supersonic speeds in standard atmosphere within a vessel's corridors ) , force fields, stealth, effectors, nanomissiles able to completely level a house, gigawatt or even terawatt ranged CREWs ( lasers ), millisecond reaction times ( conservative estimate extrapolated from the realspace reaction times of the Minds )

E-Dust : mimetic abilties, swarm mode, ( apparently ) mirror fields, at least good resilience to laser cannons, near-invulnerability to bullets, lasers, effector, nanomissiles and reaction times...

[Admiral Valdemar]

EDust assassins are fucking nasty, I don't even rate a single Skynet unit up there with them apart from the T-1G. The T-1000 is weird in that each molecule works by itself and when the alloy is a whole, it is obviously more intelligent and stronger, it's NOT made of nano-machines like EDust, it's pseudo science which is worse than Trek! The T-1G sounds worse, but it also reminds me of EDust with the mind reading abilities, control of electrical items and morphing of form and production of weapons.

[Pcm979]

EDust assassins are fucking nasty, I don't even rate a single Skynet unit up there with them apart from the T-1G. The T-1000 is weird in that each molecule works by itself and when the alloy is a whole, it is obviously more intelligent and stronger, it's NOT made of nano-machines like EDust, it's pseudo science which is worse than Trek! The T-1G sounds worse, but it also reminds me of EDust with the mind reading abilities, control of electrical items and morphing of form and production of weapons.

In fact it's very similar to an idea put forward in Prey, Micheal Chrichton's newest book, where a nanoswarm is programmed to have collective memory. The idea is that the swarm as a whole can innovate, but when dispersed merely has the ability to group together again.

[Admiral Valdemar]

EDust assassins are fucking nasty, I don't even rate a single Skynet unit up there with them apart from the T-1G. The T-1000 is weird in that each molecule works by itself and when the alloy is a whole, it is obviously more intelligent and stronger, it's NOT made of nano-machines like EDust, it's pseudo science which is worse than Trek! The T-1G sounds worse, but it also reminds me of EDust with the mind reading abilities, control of electrical items and morphing of form and production of weapons.

In fact it's very similar to an idea put forward in Prey, Micheal Chrichton's newest book, where a nanoswarm is programmed to have collective memory. The idea is that the swarm as a whole can innovate, but when dispersed merely has the ability to group together again.

Hmm, keep seeing that novel, may buy it now, sounds a bit like Phantoms. If we ever made such machines then we'd better make sure there are failsafes in them like this to stop them making the surface of Earth a grew goo. EDust was originally made as the ultimate building material.

[The Nomad]

Of course we have to remember that the purpose of an E-Dust Assassin is sheer terror, not true efficiency. As far as professional termination is concerned, killer drones ( if there are any, which is relatively likely ), knives-missiles or even stealthy ships ( eg GCU ) would do wonders.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Of course we have to remember that the purpose of an E-Dust Assassin is sheer terror, not true efficiency. As far as professional termination is concerned, killer drones ( if there are any, which is relatively likely ), knives-missiles or even stealthy ships ( eg GCU ) would do wonders.

True, hence it keeping that one passive CCTV camera on for the terrorists to see who or what had done this. Tha nanomissiles were a sure sign too.

[The Nomad]

Imagine turning an E-Dust Assassin into a planet killer Grey goo would do wonders, and since they're microbots, not true nanobots, radiations would barely help to cleanse the contaminated area, especially if the goo can use anti-ray fields and nanomissiles for self-defense...

That's something I'd like to hear about in the next Culture novel ...

[BenRG]

I'm wondering if it was the heat of the molten steel that killed the T-1000 in T2.

(...)

If this sounds stupid, ignore it. It has been a long day. However, I like this little brainstorm result and I want to share it.

Why overlook a more obvious explanation in favour of this one?

Is it more obvious? I thought of the 'confusion' theory primarily because the novellisation implied pretty clearly that the T-1000 was essentially invulnerable to kinetic energy damage. Because of that, I always automatically discout the ke theory.

[Sriad]

I'm wondering if it was the heat of the molten steel that killed the T-1000 in T2.

(...)

If this sounds stupid, ignore it. It has been a long day. However, I like this little brainstorm result and I want to share it.

Why overlook a more obvious explanation in favour of this one?

Is it more obvious? I thought of the 'confusion' theory primarily because the novellisation implied pretty clearly that the T-1000 was essentially invulnerable to kinetic energy damage. Because of that, I always automatically discout the ke theory.

I actually like some of this theory. It seems to me like a healthy T-1000 wouldn't be destroyed by a dip in molten metal. It would be seriously damaged, but it could probably form a vacuum insulation layer between it's skin and interior (think thermos here, but in reverse) long enough to climb out. It would be severely damaged afterwards, but it seems like it could work.

The reasons it didn't in the movie were the extensive damage, mostly from the LN, and it's larger than normal surface area, thanks to the grenade.

[Vendetta]

Screamers had something similar. Where different types look like different people.

There were only a very limited number of them though, and they were all designed to inspire sympathy, raher than look huge and intimidating. At least the infiltrators were, dressed up as children and wounded soldiers. Once the varieties had been recognised, you knew who to shoot.

[Stravo]

What possesed you to answer something from more than 6 months ago?!

[Vendetta]

The thread was linked to from elsewhere. By the time I get to the end, I'd long forgotten it was dead.

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