Jedi Vs. Priors [SG1 S9 Spoilers]

[NecronLord]

Nice try dipshit. I choose to interpret 'average Jedi' in a battle vs scenario as those Jedi which are actually focused on battle and not librarians, healers, talkers, farmers and shock padawans. All of whom fall under the catagory of 'Jedi'.

Pfft. Well, until such time as I actually get a clarification from the thread starter saying that your bizzare interpretation of the word jedi is what was intended, I think I'll stick to my guns, and say that 'a normal jedi' is 'a normal jedi.'

They may very well be using their muscles for all I know, but that actual 'fact' of them moving their legs doesn't translate to how they are moving that fast. It's just simply not that cut and dry.

And you have still not rebutted a clear example of a jedi who is able to do one but considers the other very difficult, proving that the amount of force they can put out for running is not necesserily force they can employ in telekinesis.

How much simpler can I make that?

[Crown]

Nice try dipshit. I choose to interpret 'average Jedi' in a battle vs scenario as those Jedi which are actually focused on battle and not librarians, healers, talkers, farmers and shock padawans. All of whom fall under the catagory of 'Jedi'.

Pfft. Well, until such time as I actually get a clarification from the thread starter saying that your bizzare interpretation of the word jedi is what was intended, I think I'll stick to my guns, and say that 'a normal jedi' is 'a normal jedi.'

Pfft. And when you bother to define what 'normal' is asshole, I'll stick to mine. I see that you love to pull out all the Jedi retards introduced to us in the EU from your ass, remember what's good for the goose is good for the gander; Naga Shadow, Exur Kun, Palpatine the Undying, Darth Sion, etc, etc.

Face it, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, Yoda et al are average.

They may very well be using their muscles for all I know, but that actual 'fact' of them moving their legs doesn't translate to how they are moving that fast. It's just simply not that cut and dry.

And you have still not rebutted a clear example of a jedi who is able to do one but considers the other very difficult, proving that the amount of force they can put out for running is not necesserily force they can employ in telekinesis.

How much simpler can I make that?

Simple; provide a quote that demonstrates that Scout was doing anything remotely similar to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in the TPM; here and here. Pay attention, they not only 'move real fast' but become translucent, and blaster bolts pass right through them with no ill affect.

[NecronLord]

Pfft. And when you bother to define what 'normal' is asshole, I'll stick to mine. I see that you love to pull out all the Jedi retards introduced to us in the EU from your ass, remember what's good for the goose is good for the gander; Naga Shadow, Exur Kun, Palpatine the Undying, Darth Sion, etc, etc.

Sith, sith, sith, sith.

Face it, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, Yoda et al are average.

The finest jedi swordsman of his age, the chosen one, and the most devastating foe the dark side had ever known are... average? Why the fuck am I even bothering talking to you?

Simple; provide a quote that demonstrates that Scout was doing anything remotely similar to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in the TPM; here and here. Pay attention, they not only 'move real fast' but become translucent, and blaster bolts pass right through them with no ill affect.

Thank you, I've seen those threads many times. It's up to you to prove the following.

• That they were shoving themselves along, instead of just running in the same way every other jedi runs, but faster.
• While you're at it, you can prove that the blaster bolts went through them, as opposed to simply missing them...

[Crown]

Pfft. And when you bother to define what 'normal' is asshole, I'll stick to mine. I see that you love to pull out all the Jedi retards introduced to us in the EU from your ass, remember what's good for the goose is good for the gander; Naga Shadow, Exur Kun, Palpatine the Undying, Darth Sion, etc, etc.

Sith, sith, sith, sith.

Force users with no moral restrictions. It took a while for you to reveal your true colours, but fucking finally the veil has been lifted it that your one of these assholes who would actually say; the Jedi would lose because they wouldn't Force choke their opponent.

And let's not mention the fact that all of these people were defeated by Jedi anyway, whose Force Power was equal or greater to theirs.

Thank you, come again.

Face it, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, Yoda et al are average.

The finest jedi swordsman of his age, the chosen one, and the most devastating foe the dark side had ever known are... average? Why the fuck am I even bothering talking to you?

In the hopes that you might imporve your intelligence? I don't know, figure it out yourself. But here's an interesting observation for all of those playing the home game; NecronLord has resulted in playing the 'label game' rather than analytical, quantifiable game. Why? Because he'd lose.

Simple; provide a quote that demonstrates that Scout was doing anything remotely similar to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in the TPM; here and here. Pay attention, they not only 'move real fast' but become translucent, and blaster bolts pass right through them with no ill affect.

Thank you, I've seen those threads many times. It's up to you to prove the following.

[*]That they were shoving themselves along, instead of just running in the same way every other jedi runs, but faster.

I believe it was Connor MacLeod who told you that it was impossible to use foot traction to do these feets, and I believe that he got that from here, although I can't speak for him of course.

[*]While you're at it, you can prove that the blaster bolts went through them, as opposed to simply missing them...

NecronLord failing to read the evidence yet again. Colour me shocked. If you require further proof (besides using your eyes), ask Mike to join this thread.

[NecronLord]

The in-universe statment that Yoda is, and I'll write it in big letters so you can see...

THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI

somehow is 'name game' to you?

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NecronLord failing to read the evidence yet again. Colour me shocked. If you require further proof (besides using your eyes), ask Mike to join this thread.

You have a theory that it went through them. For all you know, the bolt simply missed him. Unless you can, you know, provide a full three dimensional positioning of the bolt, its path, and Qui-gon, which I didn't see in that thread..

[NecronLord]

In fact, no, not a theory. A supposition.

[Crown]

The in-universe statment that Yoda is, and I'll write it in big letters so you can see...

THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI

somehow is 'name game' to you?

Err, yes would be the short answer ... and the long answer would be; yyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss!

If for no other reason that Anakin was also 'stated' to have the potential to become more powerful, and it was also 'stated' that Luke and Leia were also more powerful than Anakin.

Do you understand the difference between 'statement' and 'demonstrated feats of said power that can be quantified' or not?

[NecronLord]

Yoda thought he was the most powerful. So did all the other jedi. They aren't talking about potential as they are in the other two instances (and I will note that it has been contended, though not necesserily proven, that the crushing forces put out by Vader at the end of RotS are the single most impressive feat of TK in the films) you cite. They're talking about how he preforms in comparison to them. Unless of course, you think you can prove that Yoda's assesment of his own abilities compared to those he mentored can be dismissed as irrelevant.

In what way are these jedi (all of whom have the power and ability to be ranked as masters, remember) in any way average?

[Crown]

Yoda thought he was the most powerful. So did all the other jedi. <snip>

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time dick weed. Which covers a very specific period of the Star Wars lore. And yet we also know from this period that the Jedi are less than what they were, that they had become weak and stagnant and had also lost Ancient knowledge; teaching of the Will's anyone?

In what way are these jedi (all of whom have the power and ability to be ranked as masters, remember) in any way average?

Destroying star systems, planets, ship eating Force storms, what you suddenly suffering from amnesia?

[NecronLord]

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time dick weed.

Oh? Really?

Finally, he [Yoda] saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...

Italics mine.

What's more, nowhere does this:

1 standard AOTC-ROTS level Jedi
1 standard TPM level Jedi
2 Standard Clone Wars Jedi

say:

4 Standard mythologised era of antiquity Jedi.

So what the fuck do they have to do with it?

Destroying star systems, planets, ship eating Force storms, what you suddenly suffering from amnesia?

I'm sorry, when has a jedi, ever done any of that? These things are sith powers. Not jedi powers. If you want to discuss Sith vs Priors, start another fucking thread.

This is like saying that 99 should affect the mean of the set {1,2,3} despite not being in the set...

[Crown]

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time dick weed.

Oh? Really?

Finally, he [Yoda] saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...

...
just-
didn't-
have it.
He'd never had it. He had lost before he started.
He had lost before he was born.
The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themsleves.
The had become new.
While the Jedi-
The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war.

Italics mine.

Coloured bolded section, mine.

Guess who's cause this helps you dishonest prick? Oh right, how about the person who said;

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time dick weed. Which covers a very specific period of the Star Wars lore. And yet we also know from this period that the Jedi are less than what they were, that they had become weak and stagnant and had also lost Ancient knowledge; teaching of the Will's anyone?

Oh that's right, me.

What's more, nowhere does this:

1 standard AOTC-ROTS level Jedi
1 standard TPM level Jedi
2 Standard Clone Wars Jedi

say:

4 Standard mythologised era of antiquity Jedi.

So what the fuck do they have to do with it?

For the umpteenth time; DEFINE WHO/WHAT/WHERE/WHEN/WHY THIS 'AVERAGE' JEDI IS/APPEARED/MAKES THEM 'AVERAGE'!

I made an assumption that the 'average' would only be 1/10th Yoda's level - based on feats that he did that I quantified being *extremely* fucking generously. Your fucking 'reply' to this was to bring up scum-sucker 'Scout' from Dark Rendevouz who in the books own telling was destined to the Agri Corps for being a dumbshit no tallent two bit Force user, but was saved from this fate by an act of Plot Device.

I said; if you are going to bring up every two-bit, one use, half ass EU example of all the Force user weaklings, that then gives me EVERY FUCKING RIGHT, to bring up every fucking example of WANK that the EU has ever spewed. Which would have the detrimental affect of making the movie Jedi seem average by comparison.

Destroying star systems, planets, ship eating Force storms, what you suddenly suffering from amnesia?

I'm sorry, when has a jedi, ever done any of that? These things are sith powers. Not jedi powers. If you want to discuss Sith vs Priors, start another fucking thread.

This is like saying that 99 should affect the mean of the set {1,2,3} despite not being in the set...

"Force users with no moral restrictions. It took a while for you to reveal your true colours, but fucking finally the veil has been lifted it that your one of these assholes who would actually say; the Jedi would lose because they wouldn't Force choke their opponent.

And let's not mention the fact that all of these people were defeated by Jedi anyway, whose Force Power was equal or greater to theirs."

I'm sorry, I can't be assed repeating a previous post that was already refuted only changing the language to make it sound different, like some dishonest fucks.

[Crown]

What's more, nowhere does this:

1 standard AOTC-ROTS level Jedi
1 standard TPM level Jedi
2 Standard Clone Wars Jedi

say:

4 Standard mythologised era of antiquity Jedi.

So what the fuck do they have to do with it?

Fine, let me answer the question;

TPM Jedi; Prior gets owned by a combination of TK or Force Speed.*
AotC-RotS Jedi; Prior still gets owned by Jedi.**
2 CW Jedi; One Jedi turns to the other and asks; did you just kill somebody? The other replies; huh? Oh yes, Prior got owned.***


*The only Jedi we saw in action during TPM were Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, both would make short fucking work of the Prior.

**Anakin easily performed feats equal to Yoda's feat in the TESB as a Padawan, in one estimate he even exceeds Yoda's feat by an order of magnitude; here I dare anyone, I double dare them to tell me that the 'average' Jedi in AotC is less than 1/100th Padawan Anakin!
***I assume we are talking about the Cartoons here so ...

[NecronLord]

Guess who's cause this helps you dishonest prick? Oh right, how about the person who said;

Me. Where does that say 'Yoda was actually not really anywhere near as powerful as past jedi'

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time

Which is, remember, the time we're talking about, dickweed.

I made an assumption that the 'average' would only be 1/10th Yoda's level - based on feats that he did that I quantified being *extremely* fucking generously. Your fucking 'reply' to this was to bring up scum-sucker 'Scout' from Dark Rendevouz who in the books own telling was destined to the Agri Corps for being a dumbshit no tallent two bit Force user, but was saved from this fate by an act of Plot Device.

It is an example that there is also a bottom of the curve. The point is, you have still yet to prove your ungrounded supposition that the average jedi in the TPM/Clone wars eras is 1/10th Yoda.

I said; if you are going to bring up every two-bit, one use, half ass EU example of all the Force user weaklings, that then gives me EVERY FUCKING RIGHT, to bring up every fucking example of WANK that the EU has ever spewed.

Except my example was in the era we're talking about. Yours just fucking aren't.

I'm sorry, I can't be assed repeating a previous post that was already refuted only changing the language to make it sound different, like some dishonest fucks.

Except, of course, that the Sith are well known to use 'objects' to increase their power to create grand effects. Note that Sidious keeps 'Sith Magical Items' in his damn shuttle, he never goes anywhere without them. The jedi, on the other hand, normally rely only on their inherent power... And thus the two are the same... why?

[Crown]

Guess who's cause this helps you dishonest prick? Oh right, how about the person who said;

Me. Where does that say 'Yoda was actually not really anywhere near as powerful as past jedi'

Deluded as ever dipshit. It states that the Jedi became stagnant and weak - like I said. It also states (if you read a little further down) that 'The new Sith couldn't be destroyed with a lightsabre...'

Tell me; are you gonna believe that as well as Yoda's own personal dialogue of him being the greatest as well?

Yoda et al thought that he was the most powerful alive at that time

Which is, remember, the time we're talking about, dickweed.

No shit sherlock. Perhaps you should check two posts above.

I made an assumption that the 'average' would only be 1/10th Yoda's level - based on feats that he did that I quantified being *extremely* fucking generously. Your fucking 'reply' to this was to bring up scum-sucker 'Scout' from Dark Rendevouz who in the books own telling was destined to the Agri Corps for being a dumbshit no tallent two bit Force user, but was saved from this fate by an act of Plot Device.

It is an example that there is also a bottom of the curve. The point is, you have still yet to prove your ungrounded supposition that the average jedi in the TPM/Clone wars eras is 1/10th Yoda.

What fucking 'curve' asshole? She was saved from the Agri Corps by fucking Plot Device. Need I remind you that Obi-Wan was also destined for the Agri Corps prior to TPM?

I said; if you are going to bring up every two-bit, one use, half ass EU example of all the Force user weaklings, that then gives me EVERY FUCKING RIGHT, to bring up every fucking example of WANK that the EU has ever spewed.

Except my example was in the era we're talking about. Yours just fucking aren't.

Don't be stupid. Yours is a statistical anomaly in the sense that A)She is said to be 'weak, weak, weak' ALL THE FUCKING WAY THROUGH THE BOOK and B) she is a fucking PADAWAN of 13 GOD DAMN YEARS OLD!

Like I said before; "Nice try dipshit. I choose to interpret 'average Jedi' in a battle vs scenario as those Jedi which are actually focused on battle and not librarians, healers, talkers, farmers and shock padawans. All of whom fall under the catagory of 'Jedi'. "

I'm sorry, I can't be assed repeating a previous post that was already refuted only changing the language to make it sound different, like some dishonest fucks.

Except, of course, that the Sith are well known to use 'objects' to increase their power to create grand effects. Note that Sidious keeps 'Sith Magical Items' in his damn shuttle, he never goes anywhere without them. The jedi, on the other hand, normally rely only on their inherent power... And thus the two are the same... why?

Naga Shadow and the suns I'll give you, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, Palpatine the Undying ... what have you got to say about their feats?

[Darth Wong]

While you're at it, you can prove that the blaster bolts went through them, as opposed to simply missing them...

Hey asshole, since this claim references one of my old threads, are you calling me a liar? Back this up with evidence.

[NecronLord]

Very well. The screenshot that appears to show that the blaster bolt passed through Qui-Gon Jinn's Body, the point of contention here, not the speed of the jedi in the scene:



Now, as the gunbarrel and the point of view are not perfectly aligned, it is quite simple for a bolt to hit the area of the blast door that would (were he not translucent) be blocked by Qui-Gon's body.

A few minutes in paint demonstrates how this (an explosion appearing behind him) can be achieved without the bolt passing through Qui-Gon's body.


Yellow represents the camera point

Obviously this doesn't disprove the contention that it passed through him, being not to scale. But I have not seen, in this thread, or the 'Jedi Invisibility Powers' thread, actual evidence of the bolt passing through the body of Qui-Gon. Hence I asked for proof of this claim from Crown. The best I can find is:

which would also explain why they weren't killed when they turned to the side and a bolt flew through; they were briefly immaterial

If you have posted in any greater detail on it, please refer me to it.

[NecronLord]

Futher, I will note that Qui Gon's body seems to be almost entirely to the right side of the explosion from the camera position. If the bolt had passed through him, I would, given that the bolt is fired from the left side of the viewpoint, expect that the explosion would be somewhat to his right, given that it would have had further flight time in a left to right direction after passing his body.

[Crown]

It has occured to me that the numbers have become lost in a flurry of tangents and insults, I'm gonna rectify this. I'll begin by stating that using KE is fucking stupid, and I prefer to use Force instead, so I'll take NecronLord's original estimates (with one change) and do this whole thing again;

m = combined mass of Jaffa attacking Prior = 516.55 kg
d = distance Jaffa were thrown by Prior = 1 km (this was originally 120 meters, I'm changing it as 120 was too conservative)
t = time for Jaffa to reach said distance = 3 s

Solve for velocity;

V = d/t
v = 1000/3
v = 333.3 m/s

Sovle for acceleration;

v^2 = u^2 + 2ad
333.3^2 = 0 + 2*1000*a
111,088.99 = 2000a
a = 55.5 m/s^2

Solve for Force;

F = ma
F = 516.55*55.5
F = 28,668.5 N

Now Yoda' stuff was calculated from TESB scene here giving us a Force of; 69,486.32 N

Anakin's Force output from the AotC scene of him landing on Zam's airspeeder was calculated in a previous thread giving us these three ranges of Force; Case A 16,333.3 N < F < 81,666.7 N from here and Case Bi F = 18,533.3 N < F < 92,666.7 N and Case Bii F = 37,033.3 N < F < 185,166.7 N from here.

Lets some up;

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Yoda's Force			         69,486.3 N
Prior's Force			        28,668.5 N
Anakin's Force Case A		   16,333.3 N < F < 81,666.7 N
Anakin's Force Case Bi		  18,533.3 N < F < 92,666.7 N
Anakin's Force Case Bii		 37,033.3 N < F < 185,166.7 N

Conclusion using Anakin's minimus always; Prior wins 2 out 3 times, but always looses to Yoda. Using Anakin's 'maximums'* the Prior loses 3 out of 3 times, continues to lose to Yoda, and is even outclassed by Anakin by an ENTIRE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE in Case Bii.


*'maximum' lower limit.




Also there is a mistake in my calculations here. for the Prior to have a KE of 7,018,288 J as stated then Yoda should apply this Force in just half a second, and not two (I devided rather than multiplying by 2 in my working). Please keep that in mind.

[Crown]

Oh and for those interested, using NecronLord's original figures we get the following;

m = combined mass of Jaffa attacking Prior = 516.55 kg
d = distance Jaffa were thrown by Prior = 120 m
t = time for Jaffa to reach said distance = 3 s

Solve for velocity;

V = d/t
v = 120/3
v = 40 m/s

Sovle for acceleration;

v^2 = u^2 + 2ad
40^2 = 0 + 2*120*a
1,600 = 240a
a = 6.6 m/s^2

Solve for Force;

F = ma
F = 516.55*6.6
F = 3,443.7 N

Which I thought was just cruel, since the Prior would lose every single time, and not only lose, but get analy raped by 1 order of magnitude from Yoda, and all of Anakin's minimums and 2 orders of magnitude from Anakin's highest maximum.

[NecronLord]

Very reasonable. And I must confess, the reason I like to use KE is because it's so much quicker than the alternative.

In any case, I conceed the following:

• Yoda's capacity exceeds the prior's
• Anakin would seem to be able to endure the forces involved.

As such, while Anakin may or may not be able to apply more force to an opponent, he can clearly survive such forces being employed against him. As such, the Prior cannot be shown to kill him, wheras he should then have little difficulty destroying the Prior, given that they have shown minimal defensive abilities beyond the personal shield and bullet stopping, one of which is irrelevant (the bullet stopping), and the other of which is not necesserily going to save him from a lightsaber (it may duplicate goa'uld pesonal defence shields for example).

Consequently, given that Obi-Wan is able to match telekinesis with a later and more powerful Anakin, the same is true of Obi-Wan.

Yoda, in comparison, will quite reasonably give the prior an unpleasant dose of his own medicine, and send him flying.

What's more, observing the higher Anakin numbers with a clear head, I doubt that the Prior will be able to dispose of an 'average jedi' any more easily than Anakin. Even if Anakin was, as he claimed, ready for the trials to become a Jedi Knight at this stage, the average Jedi Knight has taken and passed them, and can therefore not be presumed to be significantly less able.

Thus, I concede on all points.

Well, barring the one about blaster bolts flying through Qui-Gon.

[Crown]

Using the summation table I'm gonna take the time to just add my final opinions on this debate;

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Yoda's Force			         69,486.3 N
Prior's Force			        28,668.5 N
Anakin's Force Case A		   16,333.3 N < F < 81,666.7 N
Anakin's Force Case Bi		  18,533.3 N < F < 92,666.7 N
Anakin's Force Case Bii		 37,033.3 N < F < 185,166.7 N

As to Yoda, I feel the Prior would lose; Yoda was near his death bed when he performed his feat in TESB, the Force derived from this falls always into Anakin's range from his feat in AotC, and I find it - frankly - hard to believe that Anakin the Padawan was more powerful than Yoda in AotC, since we have Palpatine's statement in RotS that Anakin is - up to that point - not more powerful than either Darth Sidious or Yoda.

As to Obi-Wan, it is my belief that due to Anakin and him being evenly matched in the Force TK scene in RotS, he would also win against the Prior, as would Anakin. Although I will admit that this is dependent on which 'figure' you choose. But the fact is the Prior can only win 2 out of 6 times from the data above and lose 4 out of 6 times. The odds are against him.

A tag team of both is definate Anakin/Obi-Wan victory.

As for the rest;

1 standard AOTC-ROTS level Jedi
1 standard TPM level Jedi
2 Standard Clone Wars Jedi

I don't know, I don't believe that there is enough data to establish any kind of conclusion.

If we go by my example of 1/10th level of Yoda, for a 'standard' AotC - RotS Jedi, then the Prior always wins.

For the 2 'standard' CW Jedi - I assume this means the cartoons - I haven't bothered quantifying any of that shit, but believe me that if we apply the 1/10th of Yoda's feats (especially taking examples from the Cartoons), the Prior loses, really, really, really badly.

As for the one 'standard' TPM Jedi, then we really have no data to draw any conclusions, other Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. If you want to argue that they are 'standard' that is, then it's a toss up.

Of course though, it should be pointed out, that if we do use NecronLord's figures ...

[NecronLord]

Y'know, I'm sure I just said half of what you said.

[Crown]

Very reasonable. And I must confess, the reason I like to use KE is because it's so much quicker than the alternative.

KE is ... iffy. For stuff like TK - for me - Force makes greater sense.

In any case, I conceed the following:

• Yoda's capacity exceeds the prior's
• Anakin would seem to be able to endure the forces involved.

As such, while Anakin may or may not be able to apply more force to an opponent, he can clearly survive such forces being employed against him. As such, the Prior cannot be shown to kill him, wheras he should then have little difficulty destroying the Prior, given that they have shown minimal defensive abilities beyond the personal shield and bullet stopping, one of which is irrelevant (the bullet stopping), and the other of which is not necesserily going to save him from a lightsaber (it may duplicate goa'uld pesonal defence shields for example).

Consequently, given that Obi-Wan is able to match telekinesis with a later and more powerful Anakin, the same is true of Obi-Wan.

Yoda, in comparison, will quite reasonably give the prior an unpleasant dose of his own medicine, and send him flying.

What's more, observing the higher Anakin numbers with a clear head, I doubt that the Prior will be able to dispose of an 'average jedi' any more easily than Anakin. Even if Anakin was, as he claimed, ready for the trials to become a Jedi Knight at this stage, the average Jedi Knight has taken and passed them, and can therefore not be presumed to be significantly less able.

Thus, I concede on all points.

Hey man, I was the one trying to be gracious here!

[Crown]

Y'know, I'm sure I just said half of what you said.

<Samuel L Jackson>Post before me one more time bitch, I dare you, I double dare you! </Samuel L Jackson>

We keep posting at the same time.

[NecronLord]

Hey man, I was the one trying to be gracious here!

Pfft. You're complaining?

I believe the appropriate response is to shout 'Concession Accepted' (with an optional large picture) and dance a bit.