Holy shit, they're not even MARCHING in ORDER! They're just strolling along looking bored as shit!
And is it true the Army was playing "Fortunate Son", a antiWar protest song the whole time?!
A quick google says yes.
As for why, three factors come to mind:
- Protesting as far as they can. The orders to take part in this march were legal, so they have to obey. But only to the letter of the orders.
- When the suggestion for "Fortunate Son" was passed to a Trump loyalist, or maybe Trump himself, it was approved.
- The kinds of display Trump wanted wouldn't help in any combat zone, so they might not have been trained for such performances.
Holy shit, they're not even MARCHING in ORDER! They're just strolling along looking bored as shit!
And is it true the Army was playing "Fortunate Son", a antiWar protest song the whole time?!
A quick google says yes.
As for why, three factors come to mind:
- Protesting as far as they can. The orders to take part in this march were legal, so they have to obey. But only to the letter of the orders.
- When the suggestion for "Fortunate Son" was passed to a Trump loyalist, or maybe Trump himself, it was approved.
- The kinds of display Trump wanted wouldn't help in any combat zone, so they might not have been trained for such performances.
These are the same people who have for decades played "Born in the USA" without understanding what its about.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-06-14 03:49pmArresting and attempting to deport members of the other teams is one way for the US team to win. Unless they do the same to members of their team.
I'm sure that will go over splendidly with the fans.
*sigh* This is going to be the kind of clusterfuck that gets mentioned in the first chapter of history books talking about really important wars.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-06-14 03:49pmArresting and attempting to deport members of the other teams is one way for the US team to win. Unless they do the same to members of their team.
I'm sure that will go over splendidly with the fans.
*sigh* This is going to be the kind of clusterfuck that gets mentioned in the first chapter of history books talking about really important wars.
LadyTevar wrote: 2025-06-15 01:46pm
And is it true the Army was playing "Fortunate Son", a antiWar protest song the whole time?!
That is some solid gold right there. I needed a good laugh, thanks. :]
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Waiting for the re organization of the state militias, that is about the only way for towns and cities to prevent the gestapo thugs from terrorizing their citizens. Once that happens you know we are hitting midnight and its going to be bleeding kansas all over the US
Someone please explain why it seems Trump is talking about US Airstrikes on Iran, on top of the Israeli ones?
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LadyTevar wrote: 2025-06-19 08:19am
Someone please explain why it seems Trump is talking about US Airstrikes on Iran, on top of the Israeli ones?
Iran has like two facilities they can potentially use to make nuclear weapons. Those facilities are underground and hardened and really really hard to destroy from the outside. The US has bombs that can potentially do it, aka the MOAB (I don't know if that's exactly the right name). Said bombs are cartoonishly large and heavy and can only be carried by specialized bomber planes that the US has and Israel doesn't. The US and Israeli governments as collective entities have a strong shared desire to render Iran incapable of making nuclear weapons.
When you put it that way a better question might be why would Trump not be talking about launching US airstrikes on Iran. Even before considering other goals such as looking strong and inflicting suffering on people Trump doesn't like for painfunnies.
Minor compared to the previous reasons mentioned, but a certain minority of the MAGA base are the kind of Biblical literalist who believes that Israel needs to exist for the Rapture to happen. So supporting Isreal plays to them, so they can (they think) get into Heaven, which isn't a point anybody who actually believes that is going to compromise on for anything.
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Raw Shark wrote: 2025-06-19 03:06pm
Minor compared to the previous reasons mentioned, but a certain minority of the MAGA base are the kind of Biblical literalist who believes that Israel needs to exist for the Rapture to happen. So supporting Isreal plays to them, so they can (they think) get into Heaven, which isn't a point anybody who actually believes that is going to compromise on for anything.
As if ANYONE in the MAGA-cult is going to Heaven at this point.
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No, since heaven doesn't exist. BUT this particular subset of MAGA morons BELIEVES in the rapture AND that THEY WILLl go to heaven (and frankly, those people being removed from Earth wouldn't bother me overmuch, even if they go to a better place than they deserve) and thus WILL support protecting Israel at all costs (despite the modern nation havong virtually nothing to do with the biblical tribe).
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Ralin wrote: 2025-06-19 08:55amThe US has bombs that can potentially do it, aka the MOAB (I don't know if that's exactly the right name). Said bombs are cartoonishly large and heavy and can only be carried by specialized bomber planes that the US has and Israel doesn't.
MOP is old tech. Even as far back as 2010, the USAF had a demand/desire for a weapon with 80% the penetration capability of MOP but on 1/3 the weight. They tested prototypes of the next generation penetrator in the late aughts -- but it's been radio silent since then. So the USAF (and/or Israel) likely has 15,000 lb class penetrators that could be carried by F-15s.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2025-06-20 07:12am
MOP is old tech. Even as far back as 2010, the USAF had a demand/desire for a weapon with 80% the penetration capability of MOP but on 1/3 the weight. They tested prototypes of the next generation penetrator in the late aughts -- but it's been radio silent since then. So the USAF (and/or Israel) likely has 15,000 lb class penetrators that could be carried by F-15s.
Do even they know for sure what the penetration capability of those things is in the first place? Way I understand it the physics of damaging a buried bunker with a dropped bomb are really prohibitive no matter how cartoonishly big you make them, and they can't have had many suitable underground facilities to test them on. Even with US military resources building a real life version of bin Laden's underground terror fortress to blow up would be prohibitive.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has called on China to prevent Iran from closing the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most important shipping routes.
His comments came after Iran's state-run Press TV reported that parliament had approved a plan to close the Strait but added that the final decision lies with the Supreme National Security Council.
Any disruption to the supply of oil would have profound consequences for the economy. China in particular is the world's largest buyer of Iranian oil and has a close relationship with Tehran.
Oil prices rose following the US attack on Iranian nuclear sites, with the price of the benchmark Brent crude reaching its highest level in five months.
"I encourage the Chinese government in Beijing to call them [Iran] about that, because they heavily depend on the Straits of Hormuz for their oil," Rubio had said in an interview with Fox News on Sunday.
"If they [close the Straits]... it will be economic suicide for them. And we retain options to deal with that, but other countries should be looking at that as well. It would hurt other countries' economies a lot worse than ours."
Around 20% of the world's oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, with major oil and gas producers in the Middle East using the waterway to transport energy from the region.
Any attempt to disrupt operations in the Strait could send global oil prices skyrocketing.
Oil prices jumped briefly when trading began on Monday, with Brent climbing to $81.40 a barrel. However, it then slid back to around $78, up 1.4% on the day.
"The US is now positioned with an overwhelming defence posture in the region to be prepared for any Iran counter-attacks. But the risk for oil prices is the situation could escalate severely further," said Saul Kavonic, head of energy research at MST Financial.
The cost of crude oil affects everything from how much it costs to fill up your car to the price of food at the supermarket.
China in particular buys more oil from Iran than any other nation - with its imports from Iran surpassing 1.8 million barrels per day last month, according to data by ship tracking firm Vortexa.
Other major Asian economies, including India, Japan and South Korea, also rely heavily on crude oil that passes through the Strait.
Energy analyst Vandana Hari has said Iran has "little to gain and too much to lose" from closing the Strait.
"Iran risks turning its oil and gas producing neighbours in the Gulf into enemies and invoking the ire of its key market China by disrupting traffic in the Strait," Ms Hari told BBC News.
The US joined the conflict between Iran and Israel over the weekend, with President Donald Trump saying Washington had "obliterated" Tehran's key nuclear sites.
However, it is not clear how much damage the strikes inflicted, with the UN's nuclear watchdog saying it was unable to assess the damage at the heavily fortified Fordo underground nuclear site. Iran has said there was only minor damage to Fordo.
Trump also warned Iran that it would face "far worse" future attacks if the country did not abandon its nuclear programme.
On Monday, Beijing said the US strikes had damaged Washington's credibility and called for an immediate ceasefire.
China's UN Ambassador Fu Cong said all parties should restrain "the impulse of force... and adding fuel to the fire", according to a state-run CCTV report.
In an editorial, Beijing's state newspaper Global Times also said US involvement in Iran "had further complicated and destabilised the Middle East situation" and that it was pushing the conflict to an "uncontrollable state".
And now the US starts worrying about consequences. It's a bit too late for that.
I'd like to say that I'm surprised at how quickly this escalated directly to pants on head stupid, but I'm not.
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