OMFG, TrekBBS + RSA = Comedy Gold

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-12-16 07:15pm

Damn, Christmas really has come early.

Wow.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-12-16 07:24pm

KeVinK wrote:Gee.

As one of the members of this cesspool of madness that is the Vs. Community, who has locked horns with Darkstar since he was Guardian 2000... I personally apologize for him wandering into your board. On behalf of everyone who'll agree with me.

There tends to be alot of sentiment of 'Torch each other; leave the bystanders alone' amongst us Old Guard(Old Guard? Those in it since before Episode II came out, really), because we didn't really try to drag outsiders in, aside from questions e-mailed to relevent folk. But this guy's a nutbar and a psycho, and I apologize.

If it makes you feel better, he's apparently harassing Star Wars the same way.. Some people!

Anyway, welcome to SDNet. Mind the folks looking to make names for themselves.. They can be vicious little bastards.

Waddles McGee · Post by **Waddles McGee** » 2005-12-16 07:30pm

Please note all rabid trekkies aren't like that. RSA tends to set a bad example for us...

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-12-16 07:34pm

I can'r believe it has gone this far!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-12-16 07:34pm

And some of us aren't rabid Trekkies, merely scientificaly interested fans.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2005-12-16 08:22pm

Wow, this guy is nuts.

KeVinK · Post by **KeVinK** » 2005-12-16 08:53pm

SirNitram wrote: I personally apologize for him wandering into your board.

scififanoftheearth wrote:Please note all rabid trekkies aren't like that. RSA tends to set a bad example for us...

Not at all.
Our mistake was in not recognizing his species sooner. His cloaking technology is truly exceptional. (Acutally, I should say my mistake. The truly big guns faded as they saw how the thread was developing.)

I believe a couple of regular TrekBBS/Trek Lit posters referenced another fellow who resurfaces there under various screen names. He's known Pocket Books was the spawn of satan ever since he found the rubber ducky in the cut-away view of the Enterprise in the TNG Tech Manual fifteen years ago. (Never mind the Porsche, Nomad, the DC-3, the mouse....) Okuda is the antichrist (or more properly anti-Jefferies, the terms are roughly congruent). His hobby is turning unrelated threads into train wrecks about what Trek would be if only we'd all get out of the way and let him run it. There are others -- their names do not deserve the phosphor dots.

But legendary as these others are in Trek Nation, none of them can match your RSA for sheer scope. You guys didn't kill him, you just did one hell of a job of making him stronger. Now that we know who he is, though, we can ignore him quite comfortably.

Anyway, welcome to SDNet. Mind the folks looking to make names for themselves.. They can be vicious little bastards.

One of the things about being old is, when we say "I don't have time for this." we mean it.
I've already excused myself from one thread in SLAM when I realized my emotional response was out of line with the intellectual discussion. I can just as easily do that when I see it's the other guy who's getting too hot.
(Okaaaaay. Maybe not easily, but I can do it.)

I do feel welcome here, though. In the last 24 hours I've been called a hero and a f**king moron, so it'a a lot like Thanksgiving at Granpa and Granmas's used to be.
Quite homey, actually.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-16 09:54pm

KeVinK wrote:In the last 24 hours I've been called a hero and a f**king moron

That's this site in a nutshell, basically.

But yeah, old Dorkstar has been running the same BS routine on the LucasFilm folks too. It's really priceless to see him get smacked upside the head by both franchises within the space of a few days. I think Mike ought to immortalize the occasion as a subsection of his hate mail entry on him.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2005-12-16 11:26pm

Sheesh. With nutjobs like RSA and his little friends pa-trolling around, Trek fans certainly don't need any enemies...

One question, tho': why did ol' Darkie bring up all that legal shit about copyrights and licences and such? It didn't seem like it had anything to do with canon issues. After all, copyrights and licences are about protecting the fanchise, not the continuity or canon. Other than that, only point 5 seemed relevant to discussions of canon.

PS: A big welcome to KeVinK!

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-12-17 02:47am

OmegaGuy wrote:Wow, this guy is nuts.

I've suspected for quie a long time that Darkstar had lost (if he ever had it in first place) his contact with reality and had started to belive his own lies due to mere fact that he said them. It seems that to Darkstar his personal fantasies are highest in the canon scale.

If course I'm no expert, so treat this accordingly

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-12-17 03:51am

What was Mosaic and Patterns about? I never got any of the trek novels except the one where Scotty steals an old Constitution class and pretends to be crazy. That one kicked ass.

darth korte · Post by **darth korte** » 2005-12-17 03:59am

KeVinK wrote:
SirNitram wrote: I personally apologize for him wandering into your board.

scififanoftheearth wrote:Please note all rabid trekkies aren't like that. RSA tends to set a bad example for us...
His cloaking technology is truly exceptional.

is (was?) it some sort of phase-cloaking ?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-12-17 05:07am

What was Mosaic and Patterns about?

Mosaic is a bio of Janeway, basically a collection of anecdotes of stuff that happened to her from early childhood to (IIRC) the moment she takes command of the Voyager.

In Pathways, the VOY crew are imprisoned in an alien internment camp after a truly pathetic ambush (I believe it was Paris who, after witnessing a chemical attack from his shuttle, opens the door and steps out). The rest of the story is a combination of their escape attempt (which involves building a transporter) and people talking about their past.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-12-17 07:37am

So basically they were just books that were written with the sole purpose of providing biographical information for the characters in VGR.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-12-17 07:38am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:So basically they were just books that were written with the sole purpose of providing biographical information for the characters in VGR.

Yes. Or rather, expand on snippets of biographical information that appeared on the show.

KeVinK · Post by **KeVinK** » 2005-12-17 08:18am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:What was Mosaic and Patterns about?

Okay, first a definition of "writers' Bible" (if this is too basic, forgive me):
Every show and series of novels that involve more than one writer has a Bible -- biographies of the characters, histories of events leading up to the begining of the series, anything that might impact how the stories are written.

Very often single writers planning a long series will construct a detailed Bible of their universe so they don't have to stop writing later to figure something out and remain consisitent over the course of the series. (Orson Scott Card draws detailed maps of every location mentioned in any of his stories. I have seen David Weber's 90-page explanation of how the gravity drives of his Honor Harrington universe work.)

Most often these writers' Bibles are living things, changing and developing as the show or series progresses.

Perhaps the best example of this in Trek is Diane Carey's novel Ghost Ship. She wrote it based on the writers' Bible before the show was even cast. Picard was an academic/diplomat, a thoughtful and careful administrator who stayed on the ship and thought. Riker was Kirk on AndroGel always ready to punch the other guy out, Data was a metaphor for racism (the problems with his taking command of the Southerland were originally intended to plague him throughout his tenure on the Enterprise-D. What happened, of course, is that once the show was cast, the writeres got to know the actors and began writing to their strengths while the actors became part of the creative team. And Diane Carey had to listen to decades of fans telling her she doesn't have a clue how Trek works. (Fortunately she's a merchant ship's officer and doesn't get her mail often.)

A wonderful study of how the creative ensemble approach to developing a show works is the DS9 Companion.

Now I was not a part of Trek at the time and have never been involved in the production of any TV show or movie. However, the way I got the story...

[Uhura]All hands! Brace for hearsay![/Uhura]

... Jeri Taylor was not a big believer in interactive ensemble creativity. This made the culture at Voyager very different from other Trek productions. I believe other writers who were closely involved have explained how this difference affected them elsewhere. The writers' Bible she developed was immutable and was worked out in very deep detail (on the scale of the OSC and DW examples cited above.)

Details of the next step vary with teller, but at some point she floated the idea of turning her writers' Bible into a novel past the folks at Pocket. I *think* it was John Ordover who took the project on. Being a show producer did not mean she flung a manuscript at them and said "Print this!". I don't imagine it was a hard sell, but she went through the submission and revision process just like any other writer.

Thus Mosaic and Pathways are Jeri Taylor's writers' Bible for Voyager set to music. Which is why she regarded them as "canon" and why the other writers disregarded them completely once they saw her back.

[Uhura]All hands! Secure from hearsay stations Route damge reports through Engineering.[/Uhura]

For the record: None of what I just said is canon.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-12-17 08:22am

Details of the next step vary with teller, but at some point she floated the idea of turning her writers' Bible into a novel past the folks at Pocket.

And all this time I thought it was the other way around - that she took fragments from the show and built the novels around them. Very interesting.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-12-17 09:20am

KeVinK wrote:I have seen David Weber's 90-page explanation of how the gravity drives of his Honor Harrington universe work.

Not to hijack, but has he solved the problem of Conservation of Momentum while operating a reactionless drive? It's something that I've been trying to figure out a rationale for for quite a while.

[Uhura]All hands! Secure from hearsay stations Route damge reports through Engineering.[/Uhura]

*Sniggers*

For the record: None of what I just said is canon.

Liar. We reserve the right to decree whatever we like to be canon or not.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-12-17 09:36am

scififanoftheearth wrote:Please note all rabid trekkies aren't like that. RSA tends to set a bad example for us...

please. Most of us have been around long enough to know the diference.

Alyeska is/was a rabid trekkie.

RSA is a sin against God.

KK: Welcome aboard. Mostly we are harsh towards people until they prove their worth, but you basically came bearing gifts!

KeVinK · Post by **KeVinK** » 2005-12-17 10:07am

NecronLord wrote:
KeVinK wrote:I have seen David Weber's 90-page explanation of how the gravity drives of his Honor Harrington universe work.
Not to hijack, but has he solved the problem of Conservation of Momentum while operating a reactionless drive? It's something that I've been trying to figure out a rationale for for quite a while.

I said I saw it. Actually held it for about two minutes at a writing workshop Weber was conducting. Flipped through the pages before passing it on to the next guy. Not a clue what it said.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2005-12-17 11:39am

Just to chime in: I now feel that RSA may be a danger to the public. While his jihad against SW has made no progress other then to humiliate him further, his sheer persistence leads me to believe that RSA will not stop until he harms himself or others around him. We can only hope he stops before doing something really stupid.

Kevin: Welcome to the boards. Don't mind the nuts living here (seeing as I am one...), stay clear of the H.O.S. and you should not fall victim to the Four Horsemen, as they only eat members for brunch.

P.S. RSA has had this coming for awhile now. Thank you and all the wonderfull people at Paramount for giving him the swift kick he required.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-12-17 12:04pm

Ender wrote:
RSA is a sin against God.

I might have acted like it early on, but I was always looking for the truth. I could accept lossing.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2005-12-17 02:04pm

I don't really get involved in the Trek vs Wars debates because, well, I don't care enough. But I must admit this recent turn of events tickled me pink & put another nail in to Darkstar's imaginary-meltdown-coffin-thingy.

But on another note: Welcome KeVinK *raises pint*

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-12-17 03:25pm

I was over at strek-v-swars.net to see how Darkstar planned to spin this and I found this (Kevin K, you might find this interesting):

Darkstar/DSG2k wrote:I can't help but note how amused I am by Killiany's behavior.

A former teacher, now a social worker and Presbyterian minister, he nevertheless represents the ill-mannered side of "behind the screen" internet anonymity. His posts were based on false claims, sloppy reasoning, ad hominem attacks, and finally calling me a troll for having the audacity to continue to respond to his posts.

In effect, it was like ASVS in microcosm. Indeed, he jumped right to the sick part where he started hoping for my personal information, which is something that took the ASVS'ers many months.

He has now joined up at SD.Net, thereby proving the old joke that allies come and go but enemies accumulate. He has already discovered that (1) he has a comraderie with other ill-mannered fools whose arguments I've flayed, and (2) that his opinions aren't going to be popular there. Killiany's been referred to as a fucking moron, and has already received an arrogant tongue-lashing from Wong about how wrong he is about his idea of how teaching should be done.

I'm not sure how long his newfound obsession with me will last, though I have two possible predictions on how long he'll be a member of the group his obsession led him to join. Right now he's simply there under the enemy-of-my-enemy theory. Either he'll get disillusioned quickly and fade away or he'll completely flake out like he did with me and end up banned or quitting in utter disgust. (Just do the math ... he's a religious Trek author on a board of religion-loathing Trek-haters. It'd be like Ralph Reed joining the atheism forum of the Democratic Underground.)

In any case, I do enjoy the irony that he would call me the troll yet be so obsessed as to knowingly join a group where members have sent me death threats. And, of course, he views them as okay but me as repugnant.

Someone's moral compass needs recalibration, stat.

Fascinating isn't it? He has such a warped mind that he thinks that everyones actions revolve around him. For example he thinks that KevinK joined our board in order to get back at him.

I also find it interesting that he is now feverishly trying to discredit Mr. Killiany with as many bullshit stabs as he can come up with.

Revel in his insanity, it's becoming clearer and clearer that he's starting to break.

EDIT: Oh, and KevinK? I don't think you'll find anyone here who has a problem with you being either Pro-Trek or a Minister. The majority of us are Athiests, but we are an accepting atmosphere for anyone who isn't a rabid fundamentalist or an insane lying Trekkie like DSG2k.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-12-17 03:27pm

Link: Rawr!

As expected, Kevin here dropping by the domicile of his archnemesis Wong has not gone unnoticed. Scroll about 2/3 of the way down page 5, and you'll see some classic Scooter-brand paranoia. Check me out at the top of page 6.