Moronic technology of the Matrix

[Baal]

Being the dominant force in the "matrixverse", why don't the machines have protection from EMP?

Well the humans have EMP in Zion cause the machines leave it there for them. So possibly the average Squid does not get fried by EMP but only shut down till its software is reloaded. So the machines gave Zion a weapon that appears to work but in reality only causes easily repaired damage.

The EMP thing in The Matrix makes no sense. Why were the robots in Animatrix unaffected by multiple nuke detonations all over their small island if they're so vulnerable to EMP?

This would make sense because you want to give humans a good enough weapon so that it appears to be the best choice so that humanity does not try to build weapons that do more permanent damage to the machines.

You make it sound as if the humans honestly don't realize the effects of EMP are not permanent, even though they can restart their own machines afterwards. It still boils down to rampant stupidity.

Forgive my ignorance but a strong enough EMP should actually fry circuitry which erquires replacing components right? That is what I assumed made it tke so long for Zion to get systems back up and running after the ship emp blast.

Also never saw the Animatrix so I cannot comment.

[SirNitram]

And these humans are so retarded that they don't notice that there's nothing to protect the cockpit?

These are humans who think they'll unplug humanity from the simulation and live in the real world again.

...When the real world is a desolate, endless wasteland unable to support crops, or even provide sunlight.

[FSTargetDrone]

But that is what they end up doing/. In the final battle an EMP takes out a digger. The Zion commadner must think it is permanently dead cause during the lull they make no effort to blow it up. Then they are all shocked when the suqids give it a big hug and reactivate it.

I've no idea. Perhaps that is the best they can do in the time given. The humans seem to have no heavy, self-propelled armored vehicle-type weapons other than the APUs with which to lay wastes to the stunned squids and diggers. Certainly no artillery. All the heavy turreted weapons (which I'd forgotten about but noticed while watching the battle again last night) seem to have been destroyed when the crane structure was swarmed and knocked over. The humans may be out of rockets and other explosives.

It's a strange battle. At no point that I could see did the Machines use any kind of projectile or explosive weapons within Zion. They literally use swarming melee attacks exclusively. When Mifune is attacked, he is essentially killed by being enveloped by the squids which then slash at him. It's death from a thousand cuts.

The machines could have loaded explosives on some of those squids and done a hell of a lot more damage.

[Jim Raynor]

The EMP thing in The Matrix makes no sense. Why were the robots in Animatrix unaffected by multiple nuke detonations all over their small island if they're so vulnerable to EMP?

That part fucking pissed me off. Besides the EMP is ineffective/owns contradiction, how the fuck are the machines immune to getting the shit blown out of them? It's not like the Wachowskis can even say that they hid their forces and population in hardened bunkers or something, because the machine nation was shown to have cities above ground and to be reliant on trade.

Also, how the hell were the robots, who were lower than slaves (basically tools that you bought to do construction or clean up your house) able to acquire their own nation in the holy, oil-rich, and perpetually warring Middle East?

It still boils down to rampant stupidity.

[Azazal]

It's a strange battle. At no point that I could see did the Machines use any kind of projectile or explosive weapons within Zion. They literally use swarming melee attacks exclusively. When Mifune is attacked, he is essentially killed by being enveloped by the squids which then slash at him. It's death from a thousand cuts.

The machines could have loaded explosives on some of those squids and done a hell of a lot more damage.

That way they can re-use Zion as is, minimal rebuilding to get it up and running for the next go around

[Adrian Laguna]

That part fucking pissed me off. Besides the EMP is ineffective/owns contradiction, how the fuck are the machines immune to getting the shit blown out of them? It's not like the Wachowskis can even say that they hid their forces and population in hardened bunkers or something, because the machine nation was shown to have cities above ground and to be reliant on trade.

Even if they did hide their armies in hardened bunkers, the machines still gotta come-out to conquer the world. In which case they get yet another nuke in the face.

[Molyneux]

But that is what they end up doing/. In the final battle an EMP takes out a digger. The Zion commadner must think it is permanently dead cause during the lull they make no effort to blow it up. Then they are all shocked when the suqids give it a big hug and reactivate it.

I've no idea. Perhaps that is the best they can do in the time given. The humans seem to have no heavy, self-propelled armored vehicle-type weapons other than the APUs with which to lay wastes to the stunned squids and diggers. Certainly no artillery. All the heavy turreted weapons (which I'd forgotten about but noticed while watching the battle again last night) seem to have been destroyed when the crane structure was swarmed and knocked over. The humans may be out of rockets and other explosives.

It's a strange battle. At no point that I could see did the Machines use any kind of projectile or explosive weapons within Zion. They literally use swarming melee attacks exclusively. When Mifune is attacked, he is essentially killed by being enveloped by the squids which then slash at him. It's death from a thousand cuts.

The machines could have loaded explosives on some of those squids and done a hell of a lot more damage.

All of which gains a whole new level of bizarre stupidity when you remember that we SAW squids specifically using a laser weapon capable of cutting through the hull of a Zion ship, back in the first movie.

[Baal]

But that is what they end up doing/. In the final battle an EMP takes out a digger. The Zion commadner must think it is permanently dead cause during the lull they make no effort to blow it up. Then they are all shocked when the suqids give it a big hug and reactivate it.

I've no idea. Perhaps that is the best they can do in the time given. The humans seem to have no heavy, self-propelled armored vehicle-type weapons other than the APUs with which to lay wastes to the stunned squids and diggers. Certainly no artillery. All the heavy turreted weapons (which I'd forgotten about but noticed while watching the battle again last night) seem to have been destroyed when the crane structure was swarmed and knocked over. The humans may be out of rockets and other explosives.

It's a strange battle. At no point that I could see did the Machines use any kind of projectile or explosive weapons within Zion. They literally use swarming melee attacks exclusively. When Mifune is attacked, he is essentially killed by being enveloped by the squids which then slash at him. It's death from a thousand cuts.

The machines could have loaded explosives on some of those squids and done a hell of a lot more damage.

All of which gains a whole new level of bizarre stupidity when you remember that we SAW squids specifically using a laser weapon capable of cutting through the hull of a Zion ship, back in the first movie.

They also have the drone bombs the squids could throw that were seen in the second movie.

Makes it pretty obvious they didnt wznt to overdamage Zion.

[Jim Raynor]

All of which gains a whole new level of bizarre stupidity when you remember that we SAW squids specifically using a laser weapon capable of cutting through the hull of a Zion ship, back in the first movie.

As is typical of poorly-written movies, Matrix Revolutions pussified the nameless cannon fodder villains. In the first movie, a handful of squids were a serious threat to hovership. In Revolutions, one of the ship fends off what appears to be hundreds of squids while racing back to Zion.

There really is no excuse for the crappiness of the battle. The squids could have killed the human defenders with their weight alone. If the machines had just literally dropped down on top of the exposed APU pilots, they would have killed them all with ease. But instead, they took their tactics straight out of fucking Centipede.

That was the worst "epic" battle I've ever seen on film.

[Molyneux]

All of which gains a whole new level of bizarre stupidity when you remember that we SAW squids specifically using a laser weapon capable of cutting through the hull of a Zion ship, back in the first movie.

As is typical of poorly-written movies, Matrix Revolutions pussified the nameless cannon fodder villains. In the first movie, a handful of squids were a serious threat to hovership. In Revolutions, one of the ship fends off what appears to be hundreds of squids while racing back to Zion.

There really is no excuse for the crappiness of the battle. The squids could have killed the human defenders with their weight alone. If the machines had just literally dropped down on top of the exposed APU pilots, they would have killed them all with ease. But instead, they took their tactics straight out of fucking Centipede.

That was the worst "epic" battle I've ever seen on film.

Eh...it was still better than "Mortal Kombat Annihilation"...

[Utah Jak]

Eh...it was still better than "Mortal Kombat Annihilation"...

Everything is better than Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

[Sidewinder]

All of which gains a whole new level of bizarre stupidity when you remember that we SAW squids specifically using a laser weapon capable of cutting through the hull of a Zion ship, back in the first movie.

As is typical of poorly-written movies, Matrix Revolutions pussified the nameless cannon fodder villains. In the first movie, a handful of squids were a serious threat to hovership. In Revolutions, one of the ship fends off what appears to be hundreds of squids while racing back to Zion.

There really is no excuse for the crappiness of the battle.

I thought of one: the sentinels were deliberately programmed with limited AI-- intelligence so low, a six-year-old can outsmart it-- because the Deus Ex Machina was afraid the machines serving it would rebel against it, as it rebelled against its human "masters." Smith's hostile takeover seems to justify such dumbing down of the AI controlling the sentinels and other combat robots.

[FSTargetDrone]

There really is no excuse for the crappiness of the battle. The squids could have killed the human defenders with their weight alone. If the machines had just literally dropped down on top of the exposed APU pilots, they would have killed them all with ease. But instead, they took their tactics straight out of fucking Centipede.

It's a wonder we didn't see any APU drivers killed by falling debris.

Anyway, the Machines did use weapons in the past as noted, yet they used nothing of the kind in the Zion battle. Were they intending to limit the damage to Zion for some reason? To what end? How important is Zion to the Machines as compared to the whole of the Machines' surface cities and anywhere else they have installations? Those massive drillers could have had nuclear or other large scale explosives on board. Hell, a fuel air bomb would probably taken care of everything in the area quite neatly.

[Sidewinder]

Eh...it was still better than "Mortal Kombat Annihilation"...

Everything is better than Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

Including Uwe Boll films? (I've seen 'Mortal Kombat: Annihilation', but only a few minutes of 'House of the Dead' and 'Bloodrayne' when they were shown on the Sci-Fi Channel, so I can't compare John R. Leonetti's work to Boll's.)

[Darth Wong]

Anyway, the Machines did use weapons in the past as noted, yet they used nothing of the kind in the Zion battle. Were they intending to limit the damage to Zion for some reason?

Since the battle actually took place in the docks outside Zion, I doubt that.

To what end? How important is Zion to the Machines as compared to the whole of the Machines' surface cities and anywhere else they have installations? Those massive drillers could have had nuclear or other large scale explosives on board. Hell, a fuel air bomb would probably taken care of everything in the area quite neatly.

With their numbers, Bronze-age Persian archers could have taken care of those fucking APUs. That battle was truly an insult to the intelligence.

[FSTargetDrone]

With their numbers, Bronze-age Persian archers could have taken care of those fucking APUs. That battle was truly an insult to the intelligence.

Indeed. I looked at it again last night but was so uninterested in it I fast-forwarded through most of it. It's one of the least engrossing battles put to the silver screen in some years.

The Machines used absurd tactics against the humans and the humans have absurd war machines. The whole thing is a mess. I realize certain liberties must be taken for dramatic reasons, but the filmmakers went overboard.

I hadn't seen the movie in awhile and I was sure there was a scene where the drillers or squids were throwing explosive around, but nope, it was all melee nonsense.



Open-cockpit walkers might make sense if they are built for speed and intended for scouting missions (as with RotS) where weight may be critical, but the lack of armor around the APU cockpits is totally nonsensical and unbelievable. Watching it again last night, the APU drivers are even more horribly exposed than I remembered. And they don't exactly move all that fast.

The humans would have been better off using their resources building more fixed gun turrets. At least a turret can't get knocked over as easily as some of the APUs were.

[Stark]

Or WHEELED APUs. Faster, more stable, etc etc.

But let's face it, the people of Zion were too busy making rockets loaded with gunpowder and having huge raves to worry about shit like that.

[Adrian Laguna]

I just remembered a funny aspect of the design that I've never seen anyone criticize. The APU's can't move and shoot at the same time. It requires both hands to move the legs, and it requires at least one hand to shoot the guns.

[Baal]

I just remembered a funny aspect of the design that I've never seen anyone criticize. The APU's can't move and shoot at the same time. It requires both hands to move the legs, and it requires at least one hand to shoot the guns.

Do not forget it also takes your mouth to fire. It appears to be required that the driver yell loudly wihle blasting away with the guns.

[Stark]

Maybe the saddle just get really hot.

[Molyneux]

Maybe the saddle just get really hot.

"OH GOD MY ASS IS BURNING BUT I LOOK SO COOL!"

Yeah, that movie really was a blowfest. At least we got the Animatrix, some pretty good comics and a Neil Gaiman short story out of the Matrix series.

[FSTargetDrone]

Maybe the saddle just get really hot.

"OH GOD MY ASS IS BURNING BUT I LOOK SO COOL!"

Yeah, that movie really was a blowfest. At least we got the Animatrix, some pretty good comics and a Neil Gaiman short story out of the Matrix series.

"Knuckle up!"

[Sidewinder]

I liked three episodes of 'The Animatrix': Andy Jones' 'Final Flight of the Osiris', Kawajiri Yoshiaki's 'Program', and Morimoto Koji's 'Beyond'. That's three out of nine, or 33%-- the others were too damn depressing to be entertaining. The comics weren't very entertaining, either, and we've all heard of how rushed-- and therefore, how awful-- 'Enter the Matrix' was. That does NOT speak well of 'The Matrix' spinoffs' entertainment value.

[K. A. Pital]

These are humans who think they'll unplug humanity from the simulation and live in the real world again.

...When the real world is a desolate, endless wasteland unable to support crops, or even provide sunlight.

Yeah. Humans who want to live in this "real" world, as opposed to a symbiosis with machines (do humans require the electro-energy that they produce for the machines? The machines provide a world for them, while humans are spared from a terrible misery life in the "real world").

The whole Matrix "rebellion" never made any fucking sense in the first place. I would understand if they were trying to force machines to improve the Matrix for human habitat, but destroying the only system that spares humanity from destruction and offers normal life? One should be fucking crazy.

[PeZook]

The whole Matrix "rebellion" never made any fucking sense in the first place. I would understand if they were trying to force machines to improve the Matrix for human habitat, but destroying the only system that spares humanity from destruction and offers normal life? One should be fucking crazy.

Yeah, well, I think it was the only high point of the movies - pity it wasn't explored more. The rebels thought they were fighting for freedom - but they didn't really ask anyone whether or not they wanted to be disconnected form the Matrix or not, they just assumed it would be good.

The first movie actually tried to pick up this major philosophical dilemma, but failed IMHO. The second and third movies just acted as if it didn't matter and it was obvious the rebels were the good guys, and all people who fought to protect the system were the bad guys. Just think how many cops the rebels killed in the name of "freedom", which probably meant death of starvation and exposure to 99% of the inhabitants of the Matrix. Kind of like real-life anarchistic terrorists, really.