If the empire sets out to conquer the SG universe how...

[Xon]

If it's on the other side of the universe, the power requirements skyrocket; you do remember they need a ZPM to dial Pegasus, which is relatively close?

That ZPM was effectively out of power then they got that sucker.

It was in a planet around a Red Giant which contained a hologram of Earth which was 30 million years out of date while running under some type of load for the entire time. Then it powered the Ancient output and sent that swarm of drones.

A Deathstar scale reactor should easily be able to provide similar power levels to a ZPM for intergalactic travel via Stargate.

[SirNitram]

If it's on the other side of the universe, the power requirements skyrocket; you do remember they need a ZPM to dial Pegasus, which is relatively close?

That ZPM was effectively out of power then they got that sucker.

It was in a planet around a Red Giant which contained a hologram of Earth which was 30 million years out of date while running under some type of load for the entire time. Then it powered the Ancient output and sent that swarm of drones.

A Deathstar scale reactor should easily be able to provide similar power levels to a ZPM for intergalactic travel via Stargate.

They still couldn't power the Gate for a usable connection without another ZPM, is my point. Since we had no indications in the original post that we need something as obscene as a dedicate large-scale Hypermatter core to make the dialling, the logical outcome is: It must be relatively close.

At the core of it, it matters little. Any sort of cold-sleep tech will let the ships get there, and if you bring a large fleet with World Devastators, you can set up when you get there. Granted, when you dial Coruscant, you'll find the Rebels won, but...

[Crown]

Ah World Devastators ... is there anything in this world better than a mobile factory of death

*sighs wishfully*

[PunkMaister]

Ok, first in regard to using SW hyperdrive to get our galaxy, sure that would work if it's a relatively clos e galaxy like Andromeda but if it's on the other hand located billions of light years away that makes such a trip pointless. As I said in that case it would be a one way trip. And as I recall the SW storyline starts as "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far,far away..."

At the core of it, it matters little. Any sort of cold-sleep tech will let the ships get there, and if you bring a large fleet with World Devastators, you can set up when you get there. Granted, when you dial Coruscant, you'll find the Rebels won, but...

Or about a thousand or more years have gone by and they won't even recognize them.
As I said travelling using standard SW hyperspace is pointless unless the SW galaxy is a relatively close neighbor and ther is no evidence to suggest it is.


In regard of establishiing a beachhead or settlement of sorts using the Stargate it has already been stablished that droids could be sent through along with parts to build whatever might be needed.

[Surlethe]

Ok, first in regard to using SW hyperdrive to get our galaxy, sure that would work if it's a relatively clos e galaxy like Andromeda but if it's on the other hand located billions of light years away that makes such a trip pointless. As I said in that case it would be a one way trip. And as I recall the SW storyline starts as "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far,far away..."

At the core of it, it matters little. Any sort of cold-sleep tech will let the ships get there, and if you bring a large fleet with World Devastators, you can set up when you get there. Granted, when you dial Coruscant, you'll find the Rebels won, but...

Or about a thousand or more years have gone by and they won't even recognize them.
As I said travelling using standard SW hyperspace is pointless unless the SW galaxy is a relatively close neighbor and ther is no evidence to suggest it is.

Small point, PunkMaister: SirNitram pointed out above you can go a million ly in about 10 days. A billion ly is three orders of magnitude greater a million ly; thus, 100 days to travel a billion ly -- a third of a year. 10 billion ly will take about three years to travel: hardly a lifetime. The observable universe is 13.7 light years across; a reasonably well-equipped hyperdrive could cross the known universe in several years: not really the 'thousand or more years' you proposed, now is it?

[Noble Ire]

And as I recall the SW storyline starts as "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far,far away..."

You're using that passage as evidence?
It's Lucas' equivelant to "Long ago in a land far away", a story-telling device! Besides, even if it did mean anything at all, which it doesn't, what does far, far away mean? Chicago is far, far away from me, and so is Andromeda.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

[snip]
Small point, PunkMaister: SirNitram pointed out above you can go a million ly in about 10 days. A billion ly is three orders of magnitude greater a million ly; thus, 100 days to travel a billion ly -- a third of a year. 10 billion ly will take about three years to travel: hardly a lifetime. The observable universe is 13.7 light years across; a reasonably well-equipped hyperdrive could cross the known universe in several years: not really the 'thousand or more years' you proposed, now is it?

Nitpick, but your numbers are off. If it takes 10 days to traverse a megalight, it would take ten-thousand (over 27 years) to traverse a gigalight. Multiply that by 13.7 and you have over 375 years to cross the known universe.

[PunkMaister]

[snip]
Small point, PunkMaister: SirNitram pointed out above you can go a million ly in about 10 days. A billion ly is three orders of magnitude greater a million ly; thus, 100 days to travel a billion ly -- a third of a year. 10 billion ly will take about three years to travel: hardly a lifetime. The observable universe is 13.7 light years across; a reasonably well-equipped hyperdrive could cross the known universe in several years: not really the 'thousand or more years' you proposed, now is it?

Nitpick, but your numbers are off. If it takes 10 days to traverse a megalight, it would take ten-thousand (over 27 years) to traverse a gigalight. Multiply that by 13.7 and you have over 375 years to cross the known universe.

And that validates my point since most galaxies are either in the order of 4 to 8 billion LY away.
Let's say based on that that the SW galaxy is reasonably located about 3 billion LY away from our own. It would take then 81 years for them to reach our home galaxy! So again a return trip is a no go! Besides that would also mean most of your loved ones back home would have died off by then! Not a pleasant prospect....

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

And that validates my point since most galaxies are either in the order of 4 to 8 billion LY away. [snip]

Evidence?

[SirNitram]

Ok, first in regard to using SW hyperdrive to get our galaxy, sure that would work if it's a relatively clos e galaxy like Andromeda but if it's on the other hand located billions of light years away that makes such a trip pointless. As I said in that case it would be a one way trip. And as I recall the SW storyline starts as "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far,far away..."

Uh-huh. You do realize that to any sort of sane person, 2.9 MLY is 'far far away'. No, wait, you don't. You're now just flailing randomly, like a fucking gutter-troll, grasping for anything that might yield purchase.

It won't.

Simply put, for it to get a lock without massive re-rigging, it must be quite close by. The only Gate addresses we've seen to work without heavy modification were within our own Galaxy, but we'll say the Empire just magically has one of the advanced dialling computers that can dial 8 symbol addresses(As we saw in '5th Race', 'Point Of View', 'Rising', and 'Home', it takes specific instructions a DHD won't take).

At the core of it, it matters little. Any sort of cold-sleep tech will let the ships get there, and if you bring a large fleet with World Devastators, you can set up when you get there. Granted, when you dial Coruscant, you'll find the Rebels won, but...

Or about a thousand or more years have gone by and they won't even recognize them.

Sure they'll recignize them. The Old Republic endured tens of thousands of years. They just might not agree with them. In which case, the rebels can fuck off: The Imperials have all they need to establish a foothold in the galaxy.

As I said travelling using standard SW hyperspace is pointless unless the SW galaxy is a relatively close neighbor and ther is no evidence to suggest it is.

The OP's requirements suggest it must be closer than both Ida and Pegasus, as no 8th Symbol Dialling Computer is included.

In regard of establishiing a beachhead or settlement of sorts using the Stargate it has already been stablished that droids could be sent through along with parts to build whatever might be needed.

This is invasion, not settlement. Strip-mining dead worlds to build ever-more warships.

[PunkMaister]

I have to ask something regarding SW hyperdrive.

Just how fast is it really and how does it compare to Asgard hyperdrive.

I have to ask because I have never seen in any SW movie, book or comic book ships traveling from one galaxy to another other than the Vong whose galaxy was relatively close from what I understand.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

I have to ask something regarding SW hyperdrive.

Just how fast is it really and how does it compare to Asgard hyperdrive.

I have to ask because I have never seen in any SW movie, book or comic book ships traveling from one galaxy to another other than the Vong whose galaxy was relatively close from what I understand.

SirNitram has already posted how fast it is in this very thread, one page ago. He also already addressed intergalactic travel. Try to refrain from ignoring things like that, as it is a very dishonest tactic.

[SirNitram]

I have to ask something regarding SW hyperdrive.

Just how fast is it really and how does it compare to Asgard hyperdrive.

I have to ask because I have never seen in any SW movie, book or comic book ships traveling from one galaxy to another other than the Vong whose galaxy was relatively close from what I understand.

Read the rebuttals to your arguments, you shitheaded troll.

Just because they never left doesn't mean they couldn't. They were rather explained to be superstitious and thought there was nothing worth finding, in the NJO novels.

There is no evidence to suggest the Vong were from nearby. There is, however, AOTC, where the map of the Republic shows three spirals, not one.

[PunkMaister]

This link is all about galaxies and distances
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect ... units.html
Noticed that after it mentions oiur local cluster which consists of our galaxy, Andromeda, The large megalenic cloud and so on it says that the farthest object known is about 18 billion LY away. Now I conceed this not constitutes absolute proof that most galaxies outside our local cluster/group are as far as I said but given this facts. they pretty well might be.

The OP's requirements suggest it must be closer than both Ida and Pegasus, as no 8th Symbol Dialling Computer is included.

Could you please give me a reference to what you are talking about?
When was this? where?

I have to admit that when it comes to SW hyperdrive I'm very confused as well. Since they never left their home galaxy I thought they simply could not make the trip except to maybe the galaxies within their own cluster. Now I'm told otherwise. So does that mean that SW hyperdrive is just as good as Asgard hyperdrive or maybe even better?

[SirNitram]

This link is all about galaxies and distances
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect ... units.html
Noticed that after it mentions oiur local cluster which consists of our galaxy, Andromeda, The large megalenic cloud and so on it says that the farthest object known is about 18 billion LY away. Now I conceed this not constitutes absolute proof that most galaxies outside our local cluster/group are as far as I said but given this facts. they pretty well might be.

Yet there is no reason to beleive it is not close, for the extended reasons discussed.

The OP's requirements suggest it must be closer than both Ida and Pegasus, as no 8th Symbol Dialling Computer is included.

Could you please give me a reference to what you are talking about?
When was this? where?

The episodes have been cited. 5th Race, Home, Rising, and Point Of View all lay it out clearly.

I have to admit that when it comes to SW hyperdrive I'm very confused as well. Since they never left their home galaxy I thought they simply could not make the trip except to maybe the galaxies within their own cluster. Now I'm told otherwise. So does that mean that SW hyperdrive is just as good as Asgard hyperdrive or maybe even better?

It is at least comparable to the hyperdrive from Prometheus Unbound.

[Solauren]

Possibly faster, if you go by the ROTS novelization, that Kenobi saw Palpatine's shuttle coming at the end of the fight with Anakin.

That's like what, 50,000 light years in 5 - 10 minutes? Intergalactic distances would be nothing to that level of speed.

[Noble Ire]

Possibly faster, if you go by the ROTS novelization, that Kenobi saw Palpatine's shuttle coming at the end of the fight with Anakin.

That's like what, 50,000 light years in 5 - 10 minutes? Intergalactic distances would be nothing to that level of speed.

The events on Mustafar and Coruscant may not have been exactly in tune or chronological, but the travel time was likely at most an hour, probably much less.

And for the record, another possible explantion for the length of time it took the Vong to traverse the void is that their FTL is high dependant on gravity sources, and may be slowed at extreme distances from galaxies (this, I believe is suggested in one of the earlier books.)

[PunkMaister]

The episodes have been cited. 5th Race, Home, Rising, and Point Of View all lay it out clearly.

I have seen them but for what I understand. What he was trying to say was that the SW galaxy is closer than the Asgard Galaxy or even the Pegasus galaxy. I was wondering were he got that particular idea. I always thought it was an extremely distant galaxy in the far reaches of our universe at best.

It is at least comparable to the hyperdrive from Prometheus Unbound.

By that time the Prometheus was equiped with Asgard hyperdrive just like the Daedalus. So by default that means that indeed SW hyperdrive is as fast as Asgard hyperdrive and so they should be able to make a trip from Coruscant to Earth within just a few minutes just like the Assgard does.


And to think the only thing that kept Palpy from conquering the whole universe was mere superstition and not speed limitation.


That also means that the only advantage that SG hyperdrive has over SW hyperdrive is the fact that is not affected by the gravitational shadow of most celestial bodies except that of a black hole.

[Shroom Man 777]

I have seen them but for what I understand. What he was trying to say was that the SW galaxy is closer than the Asgard Galaxy or even the Pegasus galaxy. I was wondering were he got that particular idea. I always thought it was an extremely distant galaxy in the far reaches of our universe at best.

It's more than a light year away from Earth. Meaning that it'll take lights years to reach it. That's pretty extremely distant, in my opinion. You certainly can't just walk there.

You didn't mention the 8th Symbol Dialing computer, which is, from what I get from what Nit said, required for having a Stargate dial to the Asgard galaxy and that Ida place, as well as other places that are so far away that the mere seven symbol system cannot reach.

Meaning that since the SW gate doesn't need an 8th Symbol computer, the SW galaxy must be much closer. As it can reach our galaxy with a mere 7 symbols. Gets?

By that time the Prometheus was equiped with Asgard hyperdrive just like the Daedalus. So by default that means that indeed SW hyperdrive is as fast as Asgard hyperdrive and so they should be able to make a trip from Coruscant to Earth within just a few minutes just like the Assgard does.

The Asgard hyperdrive was not equipped with an Asgard power source, making it not as fast as an Asgard ship with an Asgard hyperdrive and an Asgard power source. Gets?

And to think the only thing that kept Palpy from conquering the whole universe was mere superstition and not speed limitation.

Why would he bother with exploring the unknown and conquering them when he already had a shitload conquered? Conquering another galaxy isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

That also means that the only advantage that SG hyperdrive has over SW hyperdrive is the fact that is not affected by the gravitational shadow of most celestial bodies except that of a black hole.

That or the Asgrad drive is faster - as they can go from their far away galaxy (which is accessible only with an 8th symbol doohickey) to Earth within minutes - but since the SW galaxy is nearer (for the purpose of this discussion, it is, as you haven't mentioned the 8th dialing thing), even if they're slower they can still reach our galaxy within a short amount of time.

Think of it this way. There's a pile of chocolate a hundred feet in front of you. Five hundred feet behind you is an Olympic runner. Both of you run for the chocolate, and both of you reach the choco at about the same time.

I rant.

[PunkMaister]

You didn't mention the 8th Symbol Dialing computer, which is, from what I get from what Nit said, required for having a Stargate dial to the Asgard galaxy and that Ida place, as well as other places that are so far away that the mere seven symbol system cannot reach.

If by dialing computer he means a DHD then he should know that by default all DHDs have the ability to dial 8th chevrons and probably even the 9th one. The caveat is you need a ZPM or strong enough power source to dial long distance. Long distance being another galaxy.

The Asgard hyperdrive was not equipped with an Asgard power source, making it not as fast as an Asgard ship with an Asgard hyperdrive and an Asgard power source. Gets?

Right! I forgot about that little detail. OK....

That or the Asgrad drive is faster - as they can go from their far away galaxy (which is accessible only with an 8th symbol doohickey) to Earth within minutes - but since the SW galaxy is nearer (for the purpose of this discussion, it is, as you haven't mentioned the 8th dialing thing), even if they're slower they can still reach our galaxy within a short amount of time.

Not exactly as you might recall there was an incident in season 7 in which Anubis had sent a Naquadah filled asteroid hurling toward Earth and SG-1 used the hyperdrive on the Tel'Tak they were onboard to make the whole asteroid enter hyperspace bypassing the planet safely. A SW hyperdrive would have never been able to acomplish that.

Really man I keep getting this opinions that the SW galaxy is more than a light year away which off course it would. But nobody has come out and explained why it would be closer than either IDA, Pegasus or maybe even Andromeda! Unless off course they are reffering to Andromeda itself being the SW home galaxy. But again no one has ever made that claim not in a single novel, book or fanfic I've ever seen so far anyway!

[NecronLord]

If by dialing computer he means a DHD then he should know that by default all DHDs have the ability to dial 8th chevrons and probably even the 9th one.

Liar. There's an Atlantis episode that refutes this.

[NecronLord]

But nobody has come out and explained why it would be closer than either IDA, Pegasus or maybe even Andromeda! Unless off course they are reffering to Andromeda itself being the SW home galaxy. But again no one has ever made that claim not in a single novel, book or fanfic I've ever seen so far anyway!

Because it isn't in the local group. There are no galaxies that look like that in the local group.

[Shroom Man 777]

Not exactly as you might recall there was an incident in season 7 in which Anubis had sent a Naquadah filled asteroid hurling toward Earth and SG-1 used the hyperdrive on the Tel'Tak they were onboard to make the whole asteroid enter hyperspace bypassing the planet safely. A SW hyperdrive would have never been able to acomplish that.

I know that. I was just saying that SG hyperdrive also had the speed advantage.

[CoyoteNature]

This is silly, they don't even exist in the same universe.

I mean you'd first have to find a way of traversing into another universe before you even think about conquest.

[NecronLord]

This is silly, they don't even exist in the same universe.

Well, supposedly ILM put an asgard mothership into the Battle of Coruscant.