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Omega-13 wrote:it didn't cut through the side of an SUV, it carved a gash in the side of the thin paneling, that is only about 1 cm thick, a material that is not very dense, compared to the T-1000 which is much more dense, and sturdy.
Guys, guys, it isn't "the side." 
PRECISELY. He nearly gets bisected by the pole that the T-800 slices down its shouder to its midsection. Does the wound close up immedlately as the pole passes through? NO. IN fact the T-1000 always is stunned by an impact and takes a moment to recover, in every single impact the T-1000 is stunned, or the wound remains open until the T-1000 takes a moment to heal.SirNitram wrote:Cut off the arms, arms fall to ground. Recover time is NOT instant, we see it having to take a few seconds before each wound 'closes'.kojikun wrote:Swords wont do anything. they cut so fast and cleanly that the T1000 would be uneffected. How? The sword slices through the LiqMetal but doesnt knock bits off cause of the mass difference, it would be slices a real body only easier. the body would be divided in two but not seperates. The T1000 would recover immediately.
that is true, the recovery time isn't instant, but the T-1000 is not known to be defensive, it would be hacking slashing and attacking while morph is back peddling. Morph is hit all the time by punches,SirNitram wrote: Cut off the arms, arms fall to ground. Recover time is NOT instant, we see it having to take a few seconds before each wound 'closes'.
I thought he slashed a moving truck or something? Beause the sides on *those* are going to be about a millimeter.Omega-13 wrote:it didn't cut through the side of an SUV, it carved a gash in the side of the thin paneling, that is only about 1 cm thick, a material that is not very dense, compared to the T-1000 which is much more dense, and sturdy.SirNitram wrote:
And none of this deals with how the T-1000 is supposed to resist being cut by a blade that effortlessly slices through the side of an SUV. It deals with blunt trauma. Do you realize there's a difference?
Care to show where in T2 we see the T-1000 even APPROACH the hand to hand fighting skills of the an Agent much less Morpheus? The sum total of its hand to hand is grabbing a firm hold of the T-800 and slamming it against a wall, waiting to be picked up and slammed in return. In fact the T-1000 does not ever leave its fett to deliver a kick or back flip or anything like what we see in the Matrix.Omega-13 wrote:that is true, the recovery time isn't instant, but the T-1000 is not known to be defensive, it would be hacking slashing and attacking while morph is back peddling. Morph is hit all the time by punches,SirNitram wrote: Cut off the arms, arms fall to ground. Recover time is NOT instant, we see it having to take a few seconds before each wound 'closes'.
the t-1000 might get a stab on him
this is exactly what happensStravo wrote:
PRECISELY. He nearly gets bisected by the pole that the T-800 slices down its shouder to its midsection. Does the wound close up immedlately as the pole passes through? NO. IN fact the T-1000 always is stunned by an impact and takes a moment to recover, in every single impact the T-1000 is stunned, or the wound remains open until the T-1000 takes a moment to heal.
thats what he did, he made a gash through the thin panelingHowedar wrote:I thought he slashed a moving truck or something? Beause the sides on *those* are going to be about a millimeter.Omega-13 wrote:it didn't cut through the side of an SUV, it carved a gash in the side of the thin paneling, that is only about 1 cm thick, a material that is not very dense, compared to the T-1000 which is much more dense, and sturdy.SirNitram wrote:
And none of this deals with how the T-1000 is supposed to resist being cut by a blade that effortlessly slices through the side of an SUV. It deals with blunt trauma. Do you realize there's a difference?
The T-1000 doesn't get stunned in hand to hand like it does when it gets hit by a shotgun blast. (M-16 rounds don't stun it either, only an entire clip, ,as we saw it get hit by sarah but it didn't crash the helicopter)Stravo wrote: Care to show where in T2 we see the T-1000 even APPROACH the hand to hand fighting skills of the an Agent much less Morpheus? The sum total of its hand to hand is grabbing a firm hold of the T-800 and slamming it against a wall, waiting to be picked up and slammed in return. In fact the T-1000 does not ever leave its fett to deliver a kick or back flip or anything like what we see in the Matrix.
Trinity was hitting those cannon fodder security guards who had no idea they were in the matrix, and their heads didn't explode.Illuminatus Primus wrote:The KE from a Zionist punch or kick might exceed many gunshot wounds.
Because all of that is a bunch of bullshit.Illuminatus Primus wrote:Well he refuses to accept the official comic as evidence in another thread, refuses to admit that the polyalloy skin of the T-X was burned away (no to him she was damaged so it...vanished?) and refuses to differenciate between burning diesel and helicopter fuel.
Really? I fail remembering seeing a T-1000 getting hit with the plasma in the movie with different results.Hobot wrote:Because all of that is a bunch of bullshit.
Firstly, the "official" comic directly conflicts with the movies, therefore he is justified in ignoring it.
That's a cop-out and you know it. The T-850 was hit by the plasma cannon and the only damage it suffered was a short knock-out and some superficial wounds (and some minor damage to it's mini-nuke...err fuel cell). Now the comic is telling us that just two hits from that same cannon can completely destroy a T-1000?Illuminatus Primus wrote:Really? I fail remembering seeing a T-1000 getting hit with the plasma in the movie with different results.Hobot wrote:Because all of that is a bunch of bullshit.
Firstly, the "official" comic directly conflicts with the movies, therefore he is justified in ignoring it.
I"m not sure what he's talking about, but I do know in the movies they say liquid metalIlluminatus Primus wrote:Really? I fail remembering seeing a T-1000 getting hit with the plasma in the movie with different results.Hobot wrote:Because all of that is a bunch of bullshit.
Firstly, the "official" comic directly conflicts with the movies, therefore he is justified in ignoring it.
its not a liquid, its a solid metal, it only goes to liquid when it wants too.kojikun wrote:lets remember that a blade meant to cleanly cut thought flesh and bone will make a very nice and quick cut right through the liquid metal and the seperation between the two halves will close thanks to gravity.
It obviously pierced the larger armor chest plate of the T-850. Do you have data on the penetration abilities of the plasma bolt vs the armor capabilities of the T-850 chest plate vs the associated characteristics for the T-1000?Hobot wrote:That's a cop-out and you know it. The T-850 was hit by the plasma cannon and the only damage it suffered was a short knock-out and some superficial wounds (and some minor damage to it's mini-nuke...err fuel cell). Now the comic is telling us that just two hits from that same cannon can completely destroy a T-1000?
Don't look this way for that!Illuminatus Primus wrote:It obviously pierced the larger armor chest plate of the T-850. Do you have data on the penetration abilities of the plasma bolt vs the armor capabilities of the T-850 chest plate vs the associated characteristics for the T-1000?Hobot wrote:That's a cop-out and you know it. The T-850 was hit by the plasma cannon and the only damage it suffered was a short knock-out and some superficial wounds (and some minor damage to it's mini-nuke...err fuel cell). Now the comic is telling us that just two hits from that same cannon can completely destroy a T-1000?
Prove how the damage to damn T-850 proves diddly shit about its ability to hurt that liquid metal shit.
Because the T-850's fucking CLOTHES hardly had any damage!Illuminatus Primus wrote:It obviously pierced the larger armor chest plate of the T-850. Do you have data on the penetration abilities of the plasma bolt vs the armor capabilities of the T-850 chest plate vs the associated characteristics for the T-1000?Hobot wrote:That's a cop-out and you know it. The T-850 was hit by the plasma cannon and the only damage it suffered was a short knock-out and some superficial wounds (and some minor damage to it's mini-nuke...err fuel cell). Now the comic is telling us that just two hits from that same cannon can completely destroy a T-1000?
Prove how the damage to damn T-850 proves diddly shit about its ability to hurt that liquid metal shit.
I know you're not saying the T-1000 could beat the T-X. However, the plasma cannon was brought up to try and proove that the T-850 is superior to the T-1000 and therefore would have easily beat the T-1000 in your scenario.Omega-13 wrote:I"m not sure what he's talking about, but I do know in the movies they say liquid metalIlluminatus Primus wrote:Really? I fail remembering seeing a T-1000 getting hit with the plasma in the movie with different results.Hobot wrote:Because all of that is a bunch of bullshit.
Firstly, the "official" comic directly conflicts with the movies, therefore he is justified in ignoring it.
i'm not saying the T-1000 is better! lol
i'm saying its better in killing humans I think, it puts on more pressure, maybe make them make a mistake.
The whole center of his torso was a blackened mess. It just shows his chestplate doesn't conduct heat a lot, and the plasma bolt is much a penetration/KE weapon. So what's thermal affects have to do with much?Hobot wrote:Because the T-850's fucking CLOTHES hardly had any damage!
Strawman bullshit. I pointed out that the T-850 was a lot more resistant to punishment (esp. since it is a KE weapon, and the T-1000 can't handle as much KE as it can) and was stronger than the T-800, so a hand-to-hand battle in the parking lot would've delayed the T-1000 indefinitely, esp. without all the walls and machinery to hit it into like was done to the T-800 in T2.Hobot wrote:I know you're not saying the T-1000 could beat the T-X. However, the plasma cannon was brought up to try and proove that the T-850 is superior to the T-1000 and therefore would have easily beat the T-1000 in your scenario.
Watch T2 and see all the KE punishment the T-1000 takes. While the plasma bolt seems to do a lot of KE (which is rather odd for a plasma weapon, you'd think most of the damage would be thermal) that is not enough to totally destroy a T-1000.Illuminatus Primus wrote:The whole center of his torso was a blackened mess. It just shows his chestplate doesn't conduct heat a lot, and the plasma bolt is much a penetration/KE weapon. So what's thermal affects have to do with much?Hobot wrote:Because the T-850's fucking CLOTHES hardly had any damage!