A GSV in the DBZverse

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-05-23 04:30pm

FBHthelizardmage wrote: actually that wouldn't work. the ship could just stay in hyper and attack from there.

Shukan Idol actually works between dimensions (it is used to teleport from and to the afterlife)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-23 08:38pm

Yogi wrote:
FBHthelizardmage wrote: actually that wouldn't work. the ship could just stay in hyper and attack from there.
Shukan Idol actually works between dimensions (it is used to teleport from and to the afterlife)

I wonder if pointing out the blatant abuse of the term 'dimension' here would be worth it.

The Penultimate Ninja · Post by **The Penultimate Ninja** » 2003-05-23 09:04pm

All this unnecessary destruction. Can't the Culture 'convince' the fighters to become drooling idiots?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-23 09:07pm

The Penultimate Ninja wrote:All this unnecessary destruction. Can't the Culture 'convince' the fighters to become drooling idiots?

Of course. It's what the Culture does.

It's why the Culture is good.

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2003-05-23 10:08pm

The Penultimate Ninja wrote:Ok I sincerely apologize for this thread, since it was a knee-jerk reaction to the DBZ thread. But since I made the thread anyway, what kind of mayhem will happen in the scenario?

Then why not "I wish Shinji Ikari had chosen not to risk unhappiness" instead? That's more guaranteed than this scenario

I think because you have allowed them only one GSV, the Culture cannot win this fight. A culture ship's Mind has near-instantaneous reaction times, but no precognitive ability. The battle would end up with the GSV and whichever Z-seishi was battling it (let's say chibi Gohan, to keep it reasonable) teleporting about (both in their respective weird sub-dimensions, so no contact except in the real world) until Gohan dropped into realspace behind the GSV with a Kamehameha ready to fire.

Now, if it were the entire Contact section vs the DBZ verse, that might give you the result you were looking for. It would have to via Gridfire and nanoholes though, because those are the only options with enough speed and power for victory.

FBHthelizardmage · Post by **FBHthelizardmage** » 2003-05-24 08:10am

Yogi wrote:
FBHthelizardmage wrote: actually that wouldn't work. the ship could just stay in hyper and attack from there.
Shukan Idol actually works between dimensions (it is used to teleport from and to the afterlife)

But you have to be in the dimension the GSV is in to attack.

the GSV doesn't. It can keep jumping and keep firing.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-24 10:11am

CAM would be a good bet also, as matter annihalation would prevent our friend from returning surely?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-24 07:57pm

NecronLord wrote:CAM would be a good bet also, as matter annihalation would prevent our friend from returning surely?

This IS DBZ though...

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-05-24 08:47pm

Then CAM Dende and New Namek

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2003-05-24 09:29pm

FBHthelizardmage wrote:
Yogi wrote:
FBHthelizardmage wrote: actually that wouldn't work. the ship could just stay in hyper and attack from there.
Shukan Idol actually works between dimensions (it is used to teleport from and to the afterlife)
But you have to be in the dimension the GSV is in to attack.

the GSV doesn't. It can keep jumping and keep firing.

Only in the real world and the Grid. There is no evidence that a GSV could fire into the ippon-jutsu "rushing background" realm, the DBZ heaven or the DBZ hell, all of which are viable popout spots for a DBZ character.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-05-24 11:05pm

Xisiqomelir wrote:
FBHthelizardmage wrote:
Yogi wrote:Shukan Idol actually works between dimensions (it is used to teleport from and to the afterlife)
But you have to be in the dimension the GSV is in to attack.

the GSV doesn't. It can keep jumping and keep firing.
Only in the real world and the Grid. There is no evidence that a GSV could fire into the ippon-jutsu "rushing background" realm, the DBZ heaven or the DBZ hell, all of which are viable popout spots for a DBZ character.

Then all it realy needs to do is flat out blanket the entire systme with gridfire. Whether the GSV would do this by building a rather large number of incuriosn units, or just converting its bays into engine and braking through the system, it will still turn the system into (if its lucky) free-floating interstellar hydrogen.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-05-27 04:03pm

NecronLord wrote:CAM would be a good bet also, as matter annihalation would prevent our friend from returning surely?

I beleive Vegeta was blown to bits, but still came back.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-05-27 04:05pm

I would also like to point out that, while DBZ characters CAN attack after they've been killed once, they probably would concede the fight at that point (unless they're REALLY sure they can win) because if you die a SECOND time (while you're dead) then you're GONE. Period. End of Existance.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-05-27 04:10pm

Yogi wrote:
NecronLord wrote:CAM would be a good bet also, as matter annihalation would prevent our friend from returning surely?
I beleive Vegeta was blown to bits, but still came back.

Blown to bits is not the same as matter annihilation.

"Blown to bits" is when you fragment a single group of molecules into multipule smaller groups of molecules.

Matter annihilation is when you physically destroy the matter at the atomic level, and have the resulting energy create atomic vapor of what ever is left.

Bit of a difference.

The Drunkard Kid · Post by **The Drunkard Kid** » 2003-05-27 04:13pm

Yogi wrote:
NecronLord wrote:CAM would be a good bet also, as matter annihalation would prevent our friend from returning surely?
I beleive Vegeta was blown to bits, but still came back.

Vegeta's deaths were once from being impaled through the heart by Frieza's energy beam, and another time he was turned to stone when he completely expended his ki in a suicide attack on Buu. Goku, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, etc... have all been blown to bits. Goku when Cell went up, and the others when Buu blew up the planet. Good point about them probably forfeiting, but that'd only be true in an arena match; in this fight, they're universe is being under attack from a hostile extraplanar entity/force.

And one nasty thought: If this is movie 5 Goku, then the GSV is possibly hosed. *That* version (and *only* that version) could attack real world objects while still in transit via the Shukan Idou, considering that they were fighting while in that wierd area, and Goku had to intercept Metal Kooler before he could kill Vegeta while he (Kooler) was still in transport space. That's right, Movie 5 Goku and Kooler can apparently step out of time and still interact with objects in the regular plane of existence. Since Shukan Idou is an interdimensional/planar travel method, even traveling to another universe might not help much.

The Drunkard Kid · Post by **The Drunkard Kid** » 2003-05-27 04:19pm

ggs wrote:Blown to bits is not the same as matter annihilation.

"Blown to bits" is when you fragment a single group of molecules into multipule smaller groups of molecules.

Matter annihilation is when you physically destroy the matter at the atomic level, and have the resulting energy create atomic vapor of what ever is left.

Bit of a difference.

Not all that much of an important difference, when your opponents return in spiritual bodies... Outside of the one time his body was brought to heaven back at the beginning of the series (I guess it was to allow him to complete Kaiou-sama's training even if they ressurect him), they're original bodies are still rotting corpses while they're in heaven. For a good example, just look at everyone that's dead in the Buu saga. I doubt that they're corpses were brought back to heaven as well.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-05-29 04:43am

The GSV wins this because it isn't so dizzyingly stupid that it would attack before doing some recon. It would scout the area out, gauge the competition, and upon discovering that they could actually damage it in one on one competition would defeat them in such a way that it would never engage in actual combat. (though it would need to read the fighters minds to learn about the existance of the Dragonballs and take steps to see that they aren't used) It could:
- Release some diseases it whipped up to kill them all.
- Effectorize their brains while they sleep so that they don't want to fight the GSV.
- Effectorize their bodies so that when they try and build up the chi for a planet-busting attack they just pop from the strain instead.
- Booby trap the Dragon balls so that the next time they all kill each other (OF COURSE there'll be a next time, try and remmember who we're talking about here.) and want their buddies to wish them back to life they explode. Or the people trying to do the wishing explode. Or both.
- Or heck, maybe just blow up all the Dragonballs and anyone alive that can make them. Then tell the Z fighters "Right, no more get out of jail free card, from now on your brilliant plans can't involve everyone on Earth dying before you stop the villain."
- Seduce them. Okay, the OP said it couldn't introduce love and peace. I say it can

- If combat is inevitable it could build 10,000 human intelligence level drones for each of the fighters and then displace all of them into their bodies simultaniously.
-shit, there's always gridfire. Good old gridfire.
-and probably a google other solutions because it would be three Culture Minds coming up with the plans instead of one fairly bright human.