Terminator 3 (sub in the t-1000)

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-15 02:34pm

I was watching T3 this morning (downloaded it)
And I had one thought during the entire movie
"If the T-1000 were there instead of the T-X, john and christine brooster would be dead"

I mean lets think about it,
The T-X gave arnold a good battle for hand to hand, but arnold was thrashing her around A LOT. And infact was still going strong until he jabbed the power cable into her neck, which got him aswell.
In T2, arnold didn't last 20 seconds in hand to hand combat with the T-1000.

The T-X got screwed in the end when she got crushed by the helicopter, if that was good old robert patrick, he would have reformed quickly.

Some more things, when the T-X was rammed by the pickup, it took exactly2 minutes and 22 seconds for the T-X to 'reboot' and get out of the ruble, even if you take a minute off that for 'over laping' time events in the movie, different scenes, where there was infact not, ,thats still REDICULOUS. Arnold had time to chit chat with christine, then casually walk towards john conner....

It was just my impression that the T-1000 was a lot more aggressive, efficient, and would have suceeded where the T-X did not.

FireNexus · Post by **FireNexus** » 2003-07-15 02:41pm

I disagree. I think that the T-1000 would have been unable to terminate Connor and Brewster up until the particle accelerator scene, which would've been the end of him.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-15 02:48pm

Possibly. It's worth noting that this Arnie was superior to the one in T-2 also.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-15 02:49pm

FireNexus wrote:I disagree. I think that the T-1000 would have been unable to terminate Connor and Brewster up until the particle accelerator scene, which would've been the end of him.

The thing is, that scene would never have taken place,

The T-1000 could copy anyone it touches, unlike the T-X who had to stay the same size. The T-X could have copied anyone and walked right up to the General, and put a spike right through him, the T-1000 was good enough to trick john connors step dad! God knows how long it was pretending to be her. It would have easily assasinated the Gen.

Even the first scene, the t-1000 gets shot by arnold, arnold runs out of ammo, the t-1000 and arnold go hand to hand, and the t-800 was outmatched both times, very quickly, that would have been the end of him, right off the bat. MOvie over, story over.

the T-X couldn't even see Brooster in the same damn room, the T-1000 touches things, and it 'feels' it out, it found a secret safe behind the wall in John's bedroom, it would have easily and quickly found Brooster.

There are just so many things! Not to mention the T-X is so stupid it didn't mimic the cop, when he pulled it over! c'mon!

The T-1000 might have been onen of those swat members that Brooster ran out to in the cemetary scene, just no comparison

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-15 03:04pm

NecronLord wrote:Possibly. It's worth noting that this Arnie was superior to the one in T-2 also.

That could been just that he had 2 power supplies, we don't really have any idea how he was superior, he still had the same 'style' he didn't change his approach to anything.

Something else to note, the T-X is so casual, it makes me scratch my head, she comes out of the vet office, and stops, John is in the truck, and it takes her awhile to start changing her arm into the plasma weapon, john is gone! by the time she is ready to fire.
T2, the T-1000 pulled its pistol as soon as possible, and started running forward to try and close the distance for a better shot each time.
*scratches head* i just don't get it

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-15 04:53pm

Omega-13 wrote:The T-X got screwed in the end when she got crushed by the helicopter, if that was good old robert patrick, he would have reformed quickly.

Hey moron, the heat of that fire completed destroyed the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin--the T-1000 would've been a stain on the ground from the fire.

Omega-13 wrote:The T-1000 could copy anyone it touches, unlike the T-X who had to stay the same size. The T-X could have copied anyone and walked right up to the General, and put a spike right through him, the T-1000 was good enough to trick john connors step dad! God knows how long it was pretending to be her. It would have easily assasinated the Gen.

Kathryn Brewster's husband is larger than Kathryn Brewster, and the T-X's default appearance. There's no reason the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin couldn't expand or contract in density the same way the T-1000 did when it mimicked people of different sizes.

Omega-13 wrote:Even the first scene, the t-1000 gets shot by arnold, arnold runs out of ammo, the t-1000 and arnold go hand to hand, and the t-800 was outmatched both times, very quickly, that would have been the end of him, right off the bat. MOvie over, story over.

You neglect this was a superior T-850, more advanced than the Terminator 2 T-800 Arnie. Not to mention the T-1000 would've been much more mangled and put down longer by each of the crashes, the grenade launcher, the shot gun, and the RPG-7 could've heavily damaged the T-1000 (the HEAT plasma jet could've vaporized a significant mass of the T-1000). The helicopter crash at the end would've incinerated the T-1000 just as it incinerated the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin.

Omega-13 wrote:There are just so many things! Not to mention the T-X is so stupid it didn't mimic the cop, when he pulled it over! c'mon!

How would that have made its enterance to the Vet easier, or its first kills easier?

Omega-13 wrote:The T-1000 might have been onen of those swat members that Brooster ran out to in the cemetary scene, just no comparison

Hey idiot, it would've still been in the car, in transit, just like the T-X. Can you demonstrate why it would've been able to find out and get to the graveyard so much faster than the T-X, or are you going to continue being a wanking fanboy moron, like you usually are?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-15 04:55pm

Omega-13 wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Possibly. It's worth noting that this Arnie was superior to the one in T-2 also.
That could been just that he had 2 power supplies, we don't really have any idea how he was superior, he still had the same 'style' he didn't change his approach to anything.

We know from the comic that the T-X's plasma cannon is capable of killing a T-1000 in two shots. The T-850 is much stronger than the T-800 and has superior armor over its torso. The T-800 would've been incapacitated and severely damaged by that plasma blast.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-15 05:05pm

Omega-13 wrote:.

the T-X couldn't even see Brooster in the same damn room, the T-1000 touches things, and it 'feels' it out, it found a secret safe behind the wall in John's bedroom, it would have easily and quickly found Brooster.

What secret safe? There was a big hole in the wall, if you move your hand across the poster as the T-1000 did anyone would feel the depression.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-07-15 05:08pm

Okay, first things first. The T-X is superior to the T-1000, one of the ways is that the T-1000's liquid form, while resistant to small-arms fire, is slowed down by it. The T-X keeps on coming, and isn't.

Omega-13 wrote:The T-1000 could copy anyone it touches, unlike the T-X who had to stay the same size. The T-X could have copied anyone and walked right up to the General, and put a spike right through him, the T-1000 was good enough to trick john connors step dad! God knows how long it was pretending to be her. It would have easily assasinated the Gen.

The T-X seemed to have little trouble assassinating the General, she walked up to him and killed him. But not before activiting over a dozen T-1 units to kill everyone else in the building. That latter feat was beyond the capabilities of the T-1000.

Even the first scene, the t-1000 gets shot by arnold, arnold runs out of ammo, the t-1000 and arnold go hand to hand, and the t-800 was outmatched both times, very quickly, that would have been the end of him, right off the bat. MOvie over, story over.

No.

The T-800 was not outmatched, they simply were at a stalemate in physical combat. It took forever for the T-1000 to defeat a T-800, and then only because there was an I-beam placed nearby. Had that not been there they would have fought for a lot longer.

Now I need to remind you what happened when the T-X encountered the T-850. The first time she hit him with a plasma discharge that shut him down for several minutes, then caused a power cell to go critical. The second time she faced him she again beat the T-850 to a pulp, this time she kicked his head off and infected his system.

Had the T-1000 shown up and attacked Brewster at the clinic and had to engage the T-850, it would have been a much different movie. The T-1000 would not have been able to quickly disable the T-850, and would never have caught up with them.

the T-X couldn't even see Brooster in the same damn room, the T-1000 touches things, and it 'feels' it out, it found a secret safe behind the wall in John's bedroom, it would have easily and quickly found Brooster.

I believe they call this the No-Limits Fallacy. We saw onscreen that the T-1000 had to touch within just a few inches of the safe to find it. And by the time the T-X was that close to Brewster it would have been all over.

There are just so many things! Not to mention the T-X is so stupid it didn't mimic the cop, when he pulled it over! c'mon!

What advantage would assuming the form of a cop grant her? She carried out her primary objectives quite nicely in her chosen form.

The T-1000 might have been onen of those swat members that Brooster ran out to in the cemetary scene, just no comparison

I see no reason why the T-1000 would have magically known they were at the cemetary. You assume that the T-1000 would have known ahead of time where they were going, what police unit was going to be there, and then had time to inflitrate the team.

This was not the case, the T-X arrived when she did because she happened to be in the right place at the right time to learn about it.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-07-15 05:56pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Omega-13 wrote:
We know from the comic that the T-X's plasma cannon is capable of killing a T-1000 in two shots. The T-850 is much stronger than the T-800 and has superior armor over its torso. The T-800 would've been incapacitated and severely damaged by that plasma blast.

Minor correction it was a T-1002 not a T-1000 and that the T-X was quite handily holding it off in Hand-To-Hand combat despite the T-1002 being much nastier in close combat.. and then as already said one shot from that plasma cannon reduced it to a nice puddle before a second shot finished it off.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-15 06:04pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Minor correction it was a T-1002 not a T-1000 and that the T-X was quite handily holding it off in Hand-To-Hand combat despite the T-1002 being much nastier in close combat.. and then as already said one shot from that plasma cannon reduced it to a nice puddle before a second shot finished it off.

The T-1002 seems to me to be intended to be a very very similar model of the same type as Terminator 2's T-1000.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-07-15 06:07pm

What I meant was it was an upgraded version of the T-1000 which by all appearances it quite superior in its ability to control its structure compared to the T-1000 in T2.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-15 06:10pm

think everyone has forgoten the true advantage of the T-X over the T-1000, it is armed to the teeth. With multiple weapons and adaptable software to fit the situation, the T-X is in a league of it's own. Also the hacking thing kinda makes up for not being able to change shape.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-15 06:11pm

The only thing that it seems the T-1000 might have done better is intial inflitration.

The problem still remained that no one knew where Connor was except his future wife and himself.

Spolier stuff from book(something I wish the book either did not mess up or they did it to throw off John...in the book they send the T-850 in July 2030. The date of Connor's death is July 4th 2032)

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-15 06:19pm

Ghost Rider wrote:The only thing that it seems the T-1000 might have done better is intial inflitration.

The problem still remained that no one knew where Connor was except his future wife and himself.

Spolier stuff from book(something I wish the book either did not mess up or they did it to throw off John...in the book they send the T-850 in July 2030. The date of Connor's death is July 4th 2032)

Ironic that the New Ameriaca's leader died on the day of the Old America's birth.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-15 07:36pm

I'd like to mention here how much better the T-X would have done in T2 than the T-1000. I can't imagine how many times it could have killed Conner in T2, but it would be a hell of a lot.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-16 01:41am

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Hey moron, the heat of that fire completed destroyed the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin--the T-1000 would've been a stain on the ground from the fire.

yes of course it did, thats why it was being distorted at the end when she knew she was going to die, heh, download the movie and watch it again like I have several times.

Kathryn Brewster's husband is larger than Kathryn Brewster, and the T-X's default appearance. There's no reason the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin couldn't expand or contract in density the same way the T-1000 did when it mimicked people of different sizes.

yes of course within a certain size, she can't turn into the floor like the T-1000 did.

You neglect this was a superior T-850, more advanced than the Terminator 2 T-800 Arnie. Not to mention the T-1000 would've been much more mangled and put down longer by each of the crashes, the grenade launcher, the shot gun, and the RPG-7

your assuming that all those scenes would have happened, where I am saying it would never have gotten to that point, did you even BOTHER to read my post! 2 minutes and 20 seconds to get out of the ruble from the pickup hit, it only took the T-1000 sixty seconds to reform from SCRATCH after it was frozen and thawed. so please, don't talk about things before you watch the movies carefully.
If the T-1000 would have jumped ontop of the car, he would have oozed inside it after making a flew holes like he did to the elevator.

(the HEAT plasma jet could've vaporized a significant mass of the T-1000).

this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard,
1. the armour of the T-850 was not red hot, or white hot, it wasn't even changing color, and yet it melted QUICKER than the T-1000 mimetic poly alloy, right it would have melted, sure.

The helicopter crash at the end would've incinerated the T-1000 just as it incinerated the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin.

this is such a stupid comment I won't even bother to acknowledge it again, she still had the mimetic poly alloy, unless your saying fire that doesn't melt the helicopter is melting something that needs molten steel to kill it, and lots of it.

How would that have made its enterance to the Vet easier, or its first kills easier?

brakes into vet office, turns into the floor, so now it waits for brooster, it was so much smarter when it came to stealth,

Hey idiot, it would've still been in the car, in transit, just like the T-X. Can you demonstrate why it would've been able to find out and get to the graveyard so much faster than the T-X, or are you going to continue being a wanking fanboy moron, like you usually are?

The T-X was OUT of the loop, if the T-1000 was a cop, he would have heard it over the radio about the swat team moving towards the cemetary, not in the back of a cop car and hearing about it AFTER the fact, jesus, watch the movie!

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-16 01:51am

This post is for Steven Snyder
I"m doing it as a general reaction, if i do more quoting, ,it will get very confusing, so I"ll keep it to this, ,i'll sum a few things up

In the first scene, where the t-101 meets up with the T-X, just think for a moment what would have happened if it was a T-1000. Arnold would have shot at it, maybe or maybe not put it on its ass, it might have just ended up like it did at the end of T2, still standing, (at farther range, less power)

So what happens when arnold would have ran out of bullts, what would he have done in a large parking lot?
He'd have to go hand to hand. The hand to hand fight in T2 was very short, the hand to hand fight vs the T-X was very ver long, going back and forth back and forth, we never saw this in T2, it was always a decisive hand to hand fight for the T-1000.

How would the T-1000 know about the cemetary before the T-X? because its smarter, and choose the cop form, so it would have been 'IN THE LOOP'
so it would have shown up when the rest of them did, in time to engage them while they were still in the cemetary grave, or just coming out.

The t-1000 was much much more aggressive, and put the pressure on a lot more.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-07-16 02:00am

yes of course it did, thats why it was being distorted at the end when she knew she was going to die, heh, download the movie and watch it again like I have several times.

The T-X can by all appearances repair it's mimetic portion given time.

yes of course within a certain size, she can't turn into the floor like the T-1000 did.

A skill which is only useful in an ambush. Unfortunately the scenario in T-3 would pretty well eliminate that advantage since at no point would the T-1000 have the chance to use it.

your assuming that all those scenes would have happened, where I am saying it would never have gotten to that point, did you even BOTHER to read my post! 2 minutes and 20 seconds to get out of the ruble from the pickup hit, it only took the T-1000 sixty seconds to reform from SCRATCH after it was frozen and thawed. so please, don't talk about things before you watch the movies carefully.
If the T-1000 would have jumped ontop of the car, he would have oozed inside it after making a flew holes like he did to the elevator.

Just like he oozed right through the back window of the Police Car in T2? Or just like it oozed through the holes it made in the trunk? Plus the T-X jumped on the car AFTER the RPG hit. Now consider that not only is there the jet to consider but also the big friggin' blast that blew the T-X through a rather hefty tombstone. THe T-1000 would be scattered all over the damn cemetary.

this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard,
1. the armour of the T-850 was not red hot, or white hot, it wasn't even changing color, and yet it melted QUICKER than the T-1000 mimetic poly alloy, right it would have melted, sure.

The T-850 was never hit with a HEAT warhead, what are you talking about?

brakes into vet office, turns into the floor, so now it waits for brooster, it was so much smarter when it came to stealth,

1.) Brewster was there BEFORE the T-X
2.) Skynet obviously didn't have a picture of Brewster at that age as the T-X actually had to check the patient to make sure it wasn't her.

The T-X was OUT of the loop, if the T-1000 was a cop, he would have heard it over the radio about the swat team moving towards the cemetary, not in the back of a cop car and hearing about it AFTER the fact, jesus, watch the movie!

If it was a cop. The T-1000 lucked out in T-2 because it appeared near enough to a squad car for the cop to come check things out. Of course before we get on about stealth maybe I should point out the T-X being able to waltz right into a military base. That sure as hell beats out anything the T-1000 did.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-07-16 02:02am

Also IIRC the Feds headed for the cemetary as soon as they heard about it and they were in the loop. If the T-1000 was still looking for brewster it just as likely would have been at her house.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-16 02:09am

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote: Hey moron, the heat of that fire completed destroyed the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin--the T-1000 would've been a stain on the ground from the fire.
yes of course it did, thats why it was being distorted at the end when she knew she was going to die, heh, download the movie and watch it again like I have several times.

The fact that she has more alloy if the skin is incinerated does not mean it wasn't incinerated--in all other cases, the alloy was visible--the fragments clearly oozed back up to her arm in the first crash scene.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Kathryn Brewster's husband is larger than Kathryn Brewster, and the T-X's default appearance. There's no reason the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin couldn't expand or contract in density the same way the T-1000 did when it mimicked people of different sizes.
yes of course within a certain size, she can't turn into the floor like the T-1000 did.

So what? The T-X would just have grabbed and killed that guy and mimicked him without wasting time as the floor.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:You neglect this was a superior T-850, more advanced than the Terminator 2 T-800 Arnie. Not to mention the T-1000 would've been much more mangled and put down longer by each of the crashes, the grenade launcher, the shot gun, and the RPG-7
your assuming that all those scenes would have happened, where I am saying it would never have gotten to that point, did you even BOTHER to read my post! 2 minutes and 20 seconds to get out of the ruble from the pickup hit, it only took the T-1000 sixty seconds to reform from SCRATCH after it was frozen and thawed. so please, don't talk about things before you watch the movies carefully.
If the T-1000 would have jumped ontop of the car, he would have oozed inside it after making a flew holes like he did to the elevator.

Great logic. One example, and you don't quantify the kinetic and thermal energy it absorbed or anything. The T-X recovered more quickly from the crane crash than the T-1000 would have, and the RPG-7 would've vaporized a hole through the T-1000 and would've put it down longer, as it would've needed time to reform from intense deformation.

And because of that, it wouldn't have made it to the car to jump on top.

Nevermind that even if it recovered quicker than the T-X in the first crash, the T-850 could've slowed it down much more with its 12 gauge, and it could've grappled with the T-1000 long enough to buy Brewster and John much much more time to escape than it did with the T-X. Not to mention that the T-850 is significantly tougher than the T-800 the T-1000 faced in T2.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:(the HEAT plasma jet could've vaporized a significant mass of the T-1000).
this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard,
1. the armour of the T-850 was not red hot, or white hot, it wasn't even changing color, and yet it melted QUICKER than the T-1000 mimetic poly alloy, right it would have melted, sure.

FUCKING MORON. The HEAT round is the RPG-7's rocket warhead. It works by sending a burning stream of plasma into military armored vehicles to penetrate them. The thermal and kinetic energy in that is significantly greater than any weapon the T-1000 was hit with in T2.

Furthermore, you know precisely diddly shit about the composition and heat dissipation and resistence to deformation that the T-850's armor has. Therefore, a comparison between it and the mimetic polyalloy is retarded. In fact, I'd be suprised that a colony of nanomachines wouldn't conduct heat faster and decompose more easily than a solid metal alloy structure.

Thirdly, we have no data on how long it took for the T-800's hyperalloy to melt in the molten steel, nevermind the T-850's armor plate. And I guarentee the plasma shell had more KE in it than the metal rod that the T-1000 impaled the T-800 with in T2.

And lastly, we can infer from the comic that two T-X plasma bolts will kill a T-1000.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The helicopter crash at the end would've incinerated the T-1000 just as it incinerated the T-X's mimetic polyalloy skin.
this is such a stupid comment I won't even bother to acknowledge it again, she still had the mimetic poly alloy, unless your saying fire that doesn't melt the helicopter is melting something that needs molten steel to kill it, and lots of it.

Laying in a pool of burning aircraft fuel is enough to decompose steel, ask the World Trade Center structure. And furthermore, the molten steel incident, while probably hotter than immersement in burning aircraft fuel, still doesn't present a lower limit higher than burning jet fuel. Do you have an example of sustained exposure to heat greater than burning aircraft fuel but less than molten steel for mimetic polyalloy?

The fact her face regenerated simply demonstrates she has reserve quantities of polyalloy stored internally--in all other scenes where the polyalloy skin was damaged, it was either deformed but still there or fragments were lying about. After the helicopter fire, there was no trace of it left on or around the T-X's endoskeleton. Therefore, it was destroyed.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote: How would that have made its enterance to the Vet easier, or its first kills easier?
brakes into vet office, turns into the floor, so now it waits for brooster, it was so much smarter when it came to stealth,

The T-X was looking for Brewster, not waiting for her.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Hey idiot, it would've still been in the car, in transit, just like the T-X. Can you demonstrate why it would've been able to find out and get to the graveyard so much faster than the T-X, or are you going to continue being a wanking fanboy moron, like you usually are?
The T-X was OUT of the loop, if the T-1000 was a cop, he would have heard it over the radio about the swat team moving towards the cemetary, not in the back of a cop car and hearing about it AFTER the fact, jesus, watch the movie!

IF HE WAS A COP. The T-X acquired its targets fine at it was, and the T-1000 as a beat cop would've still only heard of the cemetary fight when the cops with the T-X would've heard it. It still would've reached the general cop population at the same time.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-16 02:15am

Omega-13 wrote:The T-X was OUT of the loop, if the T-1000 was a cop, he would have heard it over the radio about the swat team moving towards the cemetary, not in the back of a cop car and hearing about it AFTER the fact, jesus, watch the movie!

Mostly, all of your examples, including this one, and others, are pointless.

The T-1000 would've been put down by the T-850's shotgun, and their grappling would've given Brewster and Connor enough lead time to be out of his danger.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-16 02:19am

Just like he oozed right through the back window of the Police Car in T2? Or just like it oozed through the holes it made in the trunk?

The T-1000 was 3 feet from John within swiping distance, ,why would it ooze into the car which would have taken more time.

Plus the T-X jumped on the car AFTER the RPG hit. Now consider that not only is there the jet to consider but also the big friggin' blast that blew the T-X through a rather hefty tombstone. THe T-1000 would be scattered all over the damn cemetary.

this would have never ever ever happen, the T-X is the dumbest shit terminator yet. The T-1000 would have looked like a cop coming out of the car, or the boyfriend, and the T-1000 always had its handgun, especially after that scene with the cop car and T-X in T3, ,it would have just gotten one of the cops guns. So the T-X comes out of the car, walks slowly towards kathrine, starts to transform back into the T-X default form, then the terminatrix starts to transform her arm into the plasma gun, just as arnold arrives and blasts here.

Now lets rewind and think about the T-1000 and its characteristics,
It gets out of the car, with a handgun drawn(it even pulled its gun at the sound of alarm bells in T2)
It gets out of the car, either starts pumping off rounds right away at Kathrine (arnold is still on the other side of the cemetary, racing to the scene with his car)
Or as we've seen before, going by observed characteristics, the T-1000 starts running towards her pumping off rounds at 35mph.
Its no comparison.

The T-850 was never hit with a HEAT warhead, what are you talking about?

I believe there was a miscommunication, I thought that it was said that the T-X's flamethrower would melt the mimetic polyalloy.

1.) Brewster was there BEFORE the T-X
2.) Skynet obviously didn't have a picture of Brewster at that age as the T-X actually had to check the patient to make sure it wasn't her.

t-1000 arrives as a cop, "are you kathrine brooster" "no" says the lady with the cat "do you know where she is" "over there" says the lady with the cat, t-1000 walks into the vet office and kathrine brooster comes out, sees the cop and goes "is there a problem officer" POW POW POW.
the T-X was just so stupid.

If it was a cop. The T-1000 lucked out in T-2 because it appeared near enough to a squad car for the cop to come check things out. Of course before we get on about stealth maybe I should point out the T-X being able to waltz right into a military base. That sure as hell beats out anything the T-1000 did.

As soon as the T-X saw the cop it should have taken that form so its 'friendly' and people would help it out, the T-1000 knew this, thats why it was asking the kids on the street in T2, which helped it find John. The T-X did go into a military base, nothing to say a T-1000 could not aswell. The T-X's ability's are not to bad, its the tactics that are horrible

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-16 02:36am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Great logic. One example, and you don't quantify the kinetic and thermal energy it absorbed or anything. The T-X recovered more quickly from the crane crash than the T-1000 would have, and the RPG-7 would've vaporized a hole through the T-1000 and would've put it down longer, as it would've needed time to reform from intense deformation.

And because of that, it wouldn't have made it to the car to jump on top.

read my post about this above, the RPG hit would never have happened, it only happened because of the slow witted T-X's tactics. I'm responding to only the important parts of your posts, the rest are argumentative, and we cannot solve them.

Nevermind that even if it recovered quicker than the T-X in the first crash, the T-850 could've slowed it down much more with its 12 gauge, and it could've grappled with the T-1000 long enough to buy Brewster and John much much more time to escape than it did with the T-X. Not to mention that the T-850 is significantly tougher than the T-800 the T-1000 faced in T2.

tougher because?? stronger because?? because it has a higher number? Show me some proof here. Grappled with the T-1000 for 20 seconds until it gets beaten like it did in T2, it might even sustain injury that it can't repair.

FUCKING MORON.

easy its like you consider this life and death.

The HEAT round is the RPG-7's rocket warhead. It works by sending a burning stream of plasma into military armored vehicles to penetrate them. The thermal and kinetic energy in that is significantly greater than any weapon the T-1000 was hit with in T2.

never would have happened, see above.

Furthermore, you know precisely diddly shit about the composition and heat dissipation and resistence to deformation that the T-850's armor has. Therefore, a comparison between it and the mimetic polyalloy is retarded. In fact, I'd be suprised that a colony of nanomachines wouldn't conduct heat faster and decompose more easily than a solid metal alloy structure.

we don't know if mimetic polyalloy is nanobots or just alloy programmed at the molecular level, unless it indicates in the T3 novelization, and PLEASE don't say it says in the movie, i watched the scene twice when Arnold was describing her, said only she can turn into things she touched, and said she had nano transjectors, which were her "assimilation tubules" if you will.

Thirdly, we have no data on how long it took for the T-800's hyperalloy to melt in the molten steel, nevermind the T-850's armor plate. And I guarentee the plasma shell had more KE in it than the metal rod that the T-1000 impaled the T-800 with in T2.

don't guarantee anything unless you do some math,
WE know how long it took because the T-800 went off line when it went into the steel, u could see it from arnold view.

And lastly, we can infer from the comic that two T-X plasma bolts will kill a T-1000.

means nothing, this isn't T-X vs T-1000, this is T-1000 in T3.

Laying in a pool of burning aircraft fuel is enough to decompose steel, ask the World Trade Center structure.

that took over an hour, but good try

The fact her face regenerated simply demonstrates she has reserve quantities of polyalloy stored internally

heh, no it doesn't, it means you think the polyalloy was destroyed and your making up theorys

--in all other scenes where the polyalloy skin was damaged, it was either deformed but still there or fragments were lying about. After the helicopter fire, there was no trace of it left on or around the T-X's endoskeleton. Therefore, it was destroyed.

or it was blown 35 feet from her, and was creeping towards her,
you might also note that she wasn't laying in the fire, I wasn't going to mention this, not to make you look stupid, but i'm getting tired of this, from what it sounds, you don't have the movie on your computer to reference.

Omega-13 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Hey idiot, it would've still been in the car, in transit, just like the T-X. Can you demonstrate why it would've been able to find out and get to the graveyard so much faster than the T-X, or are you going to continue being a wanking fanboy moron, like you usually are?

why don't you reference the movie instead of going by memory to a movie you saw in the theatres once?
read some of my posts about that entire graveyard, RPG scene

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-07-16 02:40am

The problem here is the T-X is a target specific weapon, it is great at killing other robots, it has a big plasma weapon, it can hack computers,

its over reliance on big weapons, is rediculous when dealing with humans, it doesn't need to use plasma weapons to kill a human,

What sort of injury did it inflict on JOhn or Kathrine? zero.
what did the T-1000 do?
slashed sarah
shot sarah
stabbed sarah

The T-1000 is geared towards killing humans,