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Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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Project 2025

Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign.[5] The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power of the executive branch — upon inauguration.[6]

The development of the plan is led by the Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with some eighty partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Institute including former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought; and America First Legal led by former Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller.[7][8]

Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and eliminating the cabinet departments of education and commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.[10]

Project 2025 consists largely of a book of policy recommendations titled Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise and an accompanying personnel database open for submissions. There is also an online course called the Presidential Administration Academy, and a guide to developing transition plans. Reactions to the plan included variously describing it as authoritarian, an attempt by Trump to become a dictator, and a path leading the United States towards autocracy, with several experts in law criticizing it for violating current constitutional laws that would undermine the rule of law and the separation of powers.[9] Additionally, some conservatives and Republicans also criticized the plan, for example in relation to climate change.[11]
Background
Further information: The Heritage Foundation

The Heritage Foundation has published new editions in its Mandate for Leadership series coinciding with each presidential election since 1981.[12] Mandate for Leadership: A Conservative Promise is the ninth report in the series and was published in April 2023, earlier than any past releases. Heritage refers to the publication as a "policy bible".[12]

Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts established Project 2025 in 2022 to provide the 2024 Republican presidential nominee with a personnel database and ideological framework,[6] after civil servants refused to support Trump during his attempt to institute a Muslim travel ban, effort to install a new attorney general to assist him in his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, and when he called for lethal force ("When the looting starts, the shooting starts") against George Floyd protesters.[13]

In April 2023, the Heritage Foundation published a 920-page blueprint written by hundreds of conservatives,[14] most prominently former Trump administration officials.[15] Nearly half of the project's collaborating organizations have received dark money contributions from a network of fundraising groups linked to Leonard Leo, a major conservative donor and key figure in guiding the selection of Trump's federal judge nominees.[5]
Advisory board and leadership
Project 2025's advisory board consists of "a broad coalition of over 80 conservative organizations" — mainly conservative think tanks, as well as several universities and the magazine The American Conservative.[16]

Notable authors of the project's Mandate for Leadership include many officials and advisors from the Trump administration, including Jonathan Berry; Ben Carson; Ken Cuccinelli; Rick Dearborn; Thomas Gilman; Mandy Gunasekara; Gene Hamilton; Christopher Miller; Bernard McNamee; Stephen Moore; Mora Namdar; Peter Navarro; William Perry Pendley; Diana Furchtgott-Roth; Kiron Skinner; Roger Severino; Hans von Spakovsky; Brooks Tucker; Russell Vought; and Paul Winfree.[17]
Overview
In the Mandate's foreword, the Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts writes: "The long march of cultural Marxism through our institutions has come to pass. The federal government is a behemoth, weaponized against American citizens and conservative values, with freedom and liberty under siege as never before."[18] Project 2025's director is Paul Dans, who served as chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management during the Trump administration. Spencer Chretien, a former special assistant to Trump, serves as associate director.[19] Dans, also an editor of the project's guiding document, explains that Project 2025 is "built on four pillars": Pillar I, a 30-chapter, 920-page book called Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise, which presents "a consensus view of how major federal agencies must be governed"; Pillar II, a personnel database to "be collated and shared with the President-elect's team", open to the public for submissions; Pillar III, an "online educational system" called the Presidential Administration Academy; and Pillar IV, a "playbook" designed for "forming agency teams and drafting transition plans to move out upon the President's utterance of 'so help me God.'"[20] In November 2023, Trump made a similar proposal to create a federally funded "American Academy" that would deliver online courses and grant free degrees that excluded "wokeness or jihadism". The plan would also be funded by taxing the endowments of major universities which he asserted were "turning our students into communists and terrorists and sympathizers of many, many different dimensions."[21]

Axios reported that while Heritage had briefed other 2024 Republican presidential primaries candidates on the project, it is "undeniably a Trump-driven operation", pointing to the involvement of Trump's "most fervent internal loyalty enforcer" Johnny McEntee as a senior advisor to the project. The 2024 Trump campaign said no outside group speaks for the former president, referring to its "Agenda47"[22] as the only official plan for a second Trump presidency.[8] Two top Trump campaign officials later issued a statement seeking to distance the campaign from what unspecified outside groups were planning, although many of those plans reflected Trump's own words. The New York Times reported the statement "noticeably stopped short of disavowing the groups and seemed merely intended to discourage them from speaking to the press".[23] The two officials released a similar memo days later, after Axios reported Trump intended to staff a new administration with "full, proud MAGA warriors, anti-GOP establishment zealots, and eager and willing to test the boundaries of executive power to get Trump's way", which would include targeting and jailing critics in government and media.[24] Axios also reported on people being considered for senior positions in a second presidency, which included Kash Patel, Steve Bannon, and Mike Davis, a former aide to senator Chuck Grassley who has promised a "three-week reign of terror" should Trump name him acting attorney general.[25] Patel had said on Bannon's podcast two days earlier: "We will go out and find the conspirators — not just in government, but in the media ... We're going to come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out."[26][27]

While Project 2025 cannot explicitly promote him, Trump's campaign rhetoric has reflected its broad themes. He stated: "If I happen to be president and I see somebody who's doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them."[28] He added that he would fire "radical Marxist prosecutors that are destroying America".[28] He has said he would "totally obliterate the Deep State" and appoint "a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family."[28]

Abortion
See also: Abortion in the United States
In Project 2025's manifesto, Severino, who is the Heritage Foundation's vice-president on domestic policy, writes that the Food and Drug Administration is "ethically and legally obliged to revisit and withdraw its initial approval" of mifepristone and misoprostol.[20] He also recommends that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "update its public messaging about the unsurpassed effectiveness of modern fertility awareness-based methods" of contraception.[20] Severino says that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services should require that "every state report exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother's state of residence, and by what method."[20]

Census citizenship question
See also: United States citizenship question debate
The project seeks to revive a Trump administration effort to include a question of whether an individual counted in the decennial U.S. census is an American citizen. The census population count is used to reapportion congressional seats and the Electoral College. The Trump administration publicly argued it wanted the new question to prevent racial and language discrimination under the Voting Rights Act, an argument the U.S. Supreme Court found to be contrived in rejecting the question for the 2020 census. The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states the congressional apportionment figures must include the "whole number of persons in each state", rather than citizens.[29][30]

Climate policy
See also: Climate change in the United States, Environmental policy of the Donald Trump administration, and Greenhouse gas emissions by the United States
Project 2025 does not provide strategies for reducing greenhouse gas emissions responsible for climate change; Heritage Foundation energy and climate director Diana Furchtgott-Roth has suggested Americans should use more natural gas (e.g., methane), a greenhouse gas that is more powerful than carbon dioxide in the short term and has become a growing concern among climate scientists.[11] Project 2025's blueprint includes repealing the Inflation Reduction Act (a landmark law that offers US$370 billion for clean technology), closing the Loan Programs Office at the U.S. Department of Energy, eliminating climate change from the U.S. National Security Council agenda, and encouraging allied nations to use fossil fuels. The blueprint supports Arctic drilling and declaring that the federal government has an "obligation to develop vast oil and gas and coal resources".[11] Project 2025 would reverse a 2009 finding from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that determined that carbon dioxide emissions are harmful to human health, preventing the federal government from regulating greenhouse gas emissions. The climate section of the report was written by several authors, including Mandy Gunasekara, the EPA's former chief of staff who considers herself principal to the United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement in 2015. Bernard McNamee, a lawyer who has advised several fossil fuel companies, drafted the section of Project 2025 describing the EPA's role. Four of the report's top authors have publicly engaged in climate change denial.[11]

Expansion of presidential powers
See also: Unitary executive theory
Project 2025 seeks to place the entire Executive Branch of the U.S. federal government under direct presidential control, eliminating the independence of the DOJ, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, and other agencies.[15] The plan bases its presidential agenda on a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory, arguing that Article Two of the U.S. Constitution vests executive power solely in the president.[6] Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, stated in 2019 that Article Two of the U.S. Constitution granted him the "right to do whatever as president", a common claim made by supporters of unitary executive theory. A similar remark was echoed in 2018 when he claimed he could fire special counsel Robert Mueller.[6] Trump is not the first president to consider policies related to unitary executive theory;[31][32] the idea has seen a resurgence and popularization within the Republican Party following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001.[33]

In November 2023, The Washington Post reported that deploying the military for domestic law enforcement under the Insurrection Act would be an "immediate priority" upon a second Trump inauguration in 2025. That aspect of the plan was being led by Jeffrey Clark, a Trump co-defendant in the Georgia election racketeering prosecution and an unnamed co-conspirator in the federal prosecution of Trump for alleged election obstruction. Clark is a senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America, a Project 2025 partner.[34] The plan also reportedly includes directing the DOJ to pursue those Trump considers disloyal or political adversaries. After the Post story was published online, a Heritage spokesman said there were no plans related to the Insurrection Act or targeting of political enemies within Project 2025.[10][35]

Throughout the project document, unspecified federal workers at the DOJ, EPA, and USAID are described as "radical Left ideologues" and "activists" who are "embedded" in their departments.[20] In response to rising concerns on the topic, during a December 2023 televised town hall in Davenport, Iowa, Fox News host Sean Hannity twice asked Trump if he could assure he would not abuse presidential power to seek retribution against others, as he was reported to have privately told to friends and advisers;[27] Trump replied "except for Day One" before pivoting to other subjects.[36]

LGBTQ+ rights
See also: LGBT rights in the United States and Social policy of Donald Trump
When discussing the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Severino called for the rescinding of regulations "prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, sex characteristics, etc."[37]

Further, in the foreword to the 2023 edition of Mandate for Leadership, Roberts indicates that in today's society, pornography manifests "in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children". A few sentences later, he states, "Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered."[20]

Outlawing pornography
See also: Anti-gender movement, Anti-LGBT rhetoric, Censorship in the United States, Pornography in the United States, and Transgender rights in the United States
In the foreword of Project 2025's manifesto, Roberts writes,[37]

Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.[20]

Personnel
Project 2025 established a personnel database shaped by the ideology of Donald Trump. The project uses a questionnaire to screen potential recruits for their adherence to the project's agenda.[1] Throughout his presidency, Trump was accused of removing individuals whom he considered disloyal regardless of their ideological conviction, such as former attorney general William Barr. In the final year of his presidency, White House Presidential Personnel Office employees James Bacon and John McEntee developed a questionnaire to test potential government employees on their commitment to Trumpism; Bacon and McEntee joined the project in May 2023.[38]

Project 2025 is aligned with Trump's plans to fire more government employees than allocated to the president using Schedule F, a job classification established by Trump in an executive order in July 2020. Although the classification was rescinded by Biden in January 2021, Trump has previously stated that he intends to restore it. The Heritage Foundation plans on having 20,000 personnel in its database by the end of 2024.[6] Russell Vought, a former Trump administration official who heads the Center for Renewing America, stated that the project's goal of removing federal workers would be "a wrecking ball for the administrative state".[39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Project 2025 website found here:

https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/

Their first 180 days fascist takeover blueprint found here (long read):

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
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Personal thoughts:

First off, it should be noted that this is not directly part of the Republican campaign, since apparently that would cause some legal issues.
However, I don't feel it should be dismissed simply because of that; just looking from the wiki and their website on who is involved, there seems to be a lot of concervative players, think tanks and/or Trump affiliates pushing for this and/or similar plans. IMO this is far more than some Millenial typing away a fanstasy in his/her parents' basement.

Also, this is certainly not the only website and conservative plan, nor is it necessairly the overty worst (they are not literally quoting from Adolf Hitler... yet). However, what makes this one in particular stand out to me is its depth: this is very clearly a well thought out blueprint on to start a total fascist takeover of America. One of the main reasons why Republicans failed in their fascist takevoer bid under Trump Presidency 1.0 was their overall lack of organization and their underestimation of the resiliency of the civil service, both of which this plan is meant to address.

While there are some policy specifics (such as getting rid of LGBT rights, and effectively criminilizating LGBT behaviour by linking it to porn and criminlizing both), it seems like this is meant to be more about establishing the framework on how to take full control of the government, and the policies are just the first wave of things that they plan to do.

Further, Project 2025 is for the Republican Party as a whole, not just Donald Trump in particular, and is meant to outlast him. Even if Trump loses and Republicans fail in any attempts to overthrow the election results, I doubt this plan is going away (it would probably just be updated to Project 2029).

Combine Project 2025 with Trump's own intentions and the intentions of other Republicans, and I think it's not hard to spot just how dangerous something like this is. Any of Project 2025's proposals being successfully implemented could be a devastating blow for democracy, and as for all of them combined? Well, everyone who doesn't like having Hitler's books and a Bible on their bedside table better be packing their bags real quick.

Why should I care as a Canadian? Afterall, I live in a seperate country (this actually comes up a lot in conversations with family, friends and co-workers). Well, the USA is Canada's only neighbour with a physical border, it is 10x our size and a nuclear armed world superpower, it has a immensely superior military (ours is practically non-existent atm), it is a massive part of our economy, we are full of resources ripe for the taking, and the USA has a long history of overthrowing governments and taking over countries (whether democratic or not) that it doesn't like. Even in the best of times, Canada needs to be very careful when trying to remain soverign, but after a Republican fascist takever of the USA? We are not remotely prepared to face an actual fascist US government. Does that mean there will be an invasion? Perhaps not, but then again they won't need to, as they are plenty of fascist elements in Canada already that a fascist American government would be able to support. I'd probably be one of the first ones to be imprisoned and/or shot were that to happen, so ya, I'm worried.

And does anyone really believe that Republcians will honour and respect the 2024 election if Trump loses (assuming they don't rig it beforehand)? That they will quietly and peacefully allow Biden to continue should he win?

We're in for a hell of a time next year.
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Happy New Year to you, too. :P

I have been worried for years about the direction the conservatives in this country have been going. It disturbs me greatly that I have a friend whose mother went to not one but two Nazi camps for supporting Jews/opposing the Nazis who is now a Trump fan-boy and doesn't see anything wrong with what's going on.

Just one nitpick, though:
Well, the USA is Canada's only neighbour with a physical border
Nope - one of two. Don't forget Mexico. And I really think the Trump/Republicans are fantasizing about attacking them first (war on drugs, migrants, etc.)

The sad reality is that if there is a fascist take-over of the US and they want Canada... well, it's Russia vs. Ukraine all over again. Except I expect to US military to perform a lot better than Russian conscript soldiers.
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Broomstick wrote: 2024-01-01 04:19am I have been worried for years about the direction the conservatives in this country have been going. It disturbs me greatly that I have a friend whose mother went to not one but two Nazi camps for supporting Jews/opposing the Nazis who is now a Trump fan-boy and doesn't see anything wrong with what's going on.
Back in 2016 before I left the US for the last time I went to get my haircut in my hometown and the (white) woman who did it told me about how her fiancee or husband (I forget which) was Afghani and how stupidly expensive and difficult it was to get him a visa, and also that she was planning to vote for Trump.
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Yeah, people are full of contradictions.

I find it hugely disturbing that these fascists have published their game plan but no one seems to have noticed or cared.

Sure, I'm not in one of the groups they're targeting - initially. History shows that the list of undesirables grows. See Martin Niemöller.
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This is unsettling to say the least, but I do wonder about the practicalities of enforcing it.

For one thing, the Presidency is not the only institution out there. There is also the Senate and Congress, and the State legislatures. Regardless of who occupies them, they've existed for a long time, and have their own quite strong ideas of what they are and what they ought to be. Unless I have badly misunderstood American politics, this plan would represent a major attack on the powers and privileges of these bodies. Unless Trump somehow manages to fill those bodies with his loyalists - and that hasn't worked for him so far - they will resist. In the extreme, states could start seceding.

Once again, I might have totally misunderstood all this. It is better to say something and be corrected than keep quiet and never know.
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Wow.

just.

Wow.
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I hope that the Biden administration, government unions, etc, have read over this document and put stuff in place to make 'Project 2025' into 'Failure 2025'
I've been asked why I still follow a few of the people I know on Facebook with 'interesting political habits and view points'.

It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
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Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-01-01 08:41am This is unsettling to say the least, but I do wonder about the practicalities of enforcing it.
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Unless Trump somehow manages to fill those bodies with his loyalists - and that hasn't worked for him so far - they will resist.
Addressing that issue and avoiding the problems they had last time is sort of the point of having a plan like this.

I've been saying for awhile now. People learn from their experiences. Even dumbasses like Trump and his flunkies.
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Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-01-01 08:41am This is unsettling to say the least, but I do wonder about the practicalities of enforcing it.
Quite true. Depending in the situation how it turns out could be anything from arrest people trying to put this into practice to a flat out civil war to and actual conversion of the US to a fascist state.
For one thing, the Presidency is not the only institution out there. There is also the Senate and Congress, and the State legislatures. Regardless of who occupies them, they've existed for a long time, and have their own quite strong ideas of what they are and what they ought to be. Unless I have badly misunderstood American politics, this plan would represent a major attack on the powers and privileges of these bodies.
You understand correctly.
Unless Trump somehow manages to fill those bodies with his loyalists - and that hasn't worked for him so far - they will resist.
This Project 2025 does presume that Republicans will, somehow, sweep all election races in November 2024. As we saw on January 6th, 2021 there are people willing to make sure the elections turn out the way they want them to regardless of what actual voters want.
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The only thing missing from this picture is the three armed helicarriers :wtf:
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-01-01 06:20pm The only thing missing from this picture is the three armed helicarriers :wtf:
IKR?!?!?

And they just ... PUT THIS OUT THERE... like only the RIGHT PEOPLE will read it?! Like no one will step up and stop it?

It's just mindboggling stupidly arrogant
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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-01-02 05:44amAnd they just ... PUT THIS OUT THERE... like only the RIGHT PEOPLE will read it?! Like no one will step up and stop it?
They believe they'll get away with it because they're the HARD MEN who make HARD DECISIONS, and if they hose down a few protest marches with fully automatic weapons everyone will keep their heads down and their mouths shut and hope they get to live a bit longer.

And they might even be right.
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It's not stupid because they have decades of validation that they can and will get away with it and that their opposition will at most only sometimes respond strongly.
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-01-02 05:44am
And they just ... PUT THIS OUT THERE... like only the RIGHT PEOPLE will read it?! Like no one will step up and stop it?

It's just mindboggling stupidly arrogant
Hard to plan something on this scale with this many people involved in secret. And even harder to fire up enthusiasm and support to make it happen without it being public knowledge.

Hitler literally wrote a book about what he wanted to do. Doesn't seem to have hurt him.
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It should be noted Germany at the time was in such condition that it was only a matter of time that some extremist movement took over if it had not been the Nazis, it would have most likely been the communists, USA isn't even close to that state yet, the fact how badly the Jan 6. incident failed shows that.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2024-01-02 12:31pm It should be noted Germany at the time was in such condition that it was only a matter of time that some extremist movement took over if it had not been the Nazis, it would have most likely been the communists, USA isn't even close to that state yet, the fact how badly the Jan 6. incident failed shows that.
Hey, do you know who else staged a shitty half-assed failed coup and later rose back to national prominence in a big way?
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Ralin wrote: 2024-01-02 02:11pm
Lord Revan wrote: 2024-01-02 12:31pm It should be noted Germany at the time was in such condition that it was only a matter of time that some extremist movement took over if it had not been the Nazis, it would have most likely been the communists, USA isn't even close to that state yet, the fact how badly the Jan 6. incident failed shows that.
Hey, do you know who else staged a shitty half-assed failed coup and later rose back to national prominence in a big way?
Boris Johnson? :lol: :wanker:
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Re: Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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Ralin wrote: 2024-01-02 07:57am It's not stupid because they have decades of validation that they can and will get away with it and that their opposition will at most only sometimes respond strongly.
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-01-02 05:44am
And they just ... PUT THIS OUT THERE... like only the RIGHT PEOPLE will read it?! Like no one will step up and stop it?

It's just mindboggling stupidly arrogant
Hard to plan something on this scale with this many people involved in secret. And even harder to fire up enthusiasm and support to make it happen without it being public knowledge.

Hitler literally wrote a book about what he wanted to do. Doesn't seem to have hurt him.
It's like people forget about Bush/Cheney 2004. They had a proven record of war crimes and domestic policies like the Patriot Act.

Now Bush shares sweets with Michelle Obama.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

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Re: Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-01-01 08:41am This is unsettling to say the least, but I do wonder about the practicalities of enforcing it.

For one thing, the Presidency is not the only institution out there. There is also the Senate and Congress, and the State legislatures. Regardless of who occupies them, they've existed for a long time, and have their own quite strong ideas of what they are and what they ought to be. Unless I have badly misunderstood American politics, this plan would represent a major attack on the powers and privileges of these bodies. Unless Trump somehow manages to fill those bodies with his loyalists - and that hasn't worked for him so far - they will resist. In the extreme, states could start seceding.

Once again, I might have totally misunderstood all this. It is better to say something and be corrected than keep quiet and never know.
Why? Trump managed to politicise the CDC with a known agent delaying MMR reports because he and Ivanka Trump was scanning it for 'deep state" propaganda... While releasing their own.

He stopped only because he got cancer... Detected by CDC head Robert Red field... Who is also now politicised.


The FBI head Christopher Wrey also is rightwing, with with the investigations into rightwing terrorism being delayed.


Also
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6321436465112

He talks about Covid at 12:40 onwards.

Essentially, he says the FBI has the capability to determine that this was a lab leak because of the bio terrorism angle so lots of virologists and experts. He then talks about how we try not to allow weapons to get into the hands of the bad guys, and how Covid killing millions is the design .


Aka.Wray subscribes to same rightwing insanity about COVID being a bioweapon used by China to kill millions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... n-n1258385

His deep state is responsible for some of COVID ongoing travesties and hinderance with Biden plans.

Adding an ACTUAL competent agency, which Heritage is as witnessed by Roe v Wade and the Right decades long plan to dethrone the SC to achieve this.

And well.....
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Re: Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-01-02 05:44am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-01-01 06:20pm The only thing missing from this picture is the three armed helicarriers :wtf:
IKR?!?!?

And they just ... PUT THIS OUT THERE... like only the RIGHT PEOPLE will read it?! Like no one will step up and stop it?

It's just mindboggling stupidly arrogant
Their plan to take down Roe v Wade succeeded. Despite being public domain for years. And the judges that lied about Roe not being up for debate were those also hand selected by these same rightwing pricks.


It's not arrogant when it worked.

Note that we ignoring Trump own version such as hiring a Dog Breeder to handle COVID, who then tries deregulating the HHS/FDA because hey, why would you need to inspect hand sanitiser ?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/politics ... index.html

Geez. Not like FDA was warning a lot of new sanitisers made by these distillers were dangerous.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/coronavirus-c ... s-covid-19
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