Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, SCRawl, Thanas, Edi, K. A. Pital

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16689
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-01-06 03:53pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics ... index.html
Washington (CNN)Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez proposed taxing the wealthy as high as 70% to fund a climate change plan she's pushing called the "Green New Deal."

"There's an element where, yeah, people are going to have to start paying their fair share in taxes," the freshman New York lawmaker said in an interview with Anderson Cooper that's slated to air Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes."
In a clip of the interview that was released on Friday, Cooper asked Ocasio-Cortez about the specifics of the "Green New Deal," a plan that calls for reducing carbon emissions to zero and moving the country off of fossil fuels in 10 years.
"Once you get to the tippie-tops, on your $10 millionth dollar, sometimes you see tax rates as high as 60% or 70%. That doesn't mean all $10 million dollars are taxed at an extremely high rate. But it means that as you climb up this ladder, you should be contributing more," Ocasio-Cortez said.
She also acknowledged that her goal is "ambitious."
"It's going to require a lot of rapid change that we don't even conceive as possible right now," she told Cooper. "What is the problem with trying to push our technological capacities to the furthest extent possible?"
But she added, "I think that it only has ever been radicals that have changed this country," citing President Abraham Lincoln's issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation and President Franklin Roosevelt pushing for the passage of Social Security.
Asked if she considers herself a radical, Ocasio-Cortez replied, "Yeah, if that's what radical means, call me a radical."
Ocasio-Cortez, the youngest woman elected to Congress, was sworn into the US House on Thursday. A Democratic-Socialist, she has also pushed Medicare for all, tuition-free public college, canceling all student loan debt and housing as a federal right.
It won't pass the current Congress even if Hell freezes over, of course, but its so nice to see a Democrat who doesn't deal in timid half-measures to address inequality and global crises.
"Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?"

"Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow though."

-Generals William T. Sherman and Ulysses S Grant, the Battle of Shiloh.


"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?"-Terry Pratchett's DEATH.


I am a dual citizen of the United States and Canada.


Fuck Civility.

User avatar
LadyTevar
White Mage
White Mage
Posts: 19723
Joined: 2003-02-12 10:59pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by LadyTevar » 2019-01-06 10:28pm

You go girl! This is why they're scared of you!
Image
Librium Arcana, Where Gamers Play!
Nitram, slightly high on cough syrup: Do you know you're beautiful?
Me: Nope, that's why I have you around to tell me.
Nitram: You -are- beautiful. Anyone tries to tell you otherwise kill them.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" -- Leonard Nimoy, last Tweet

User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 15373
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: 'Very' mildly hopeful now DC recognized taking Clark's red trunks away was a bad idea
Contact:

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Batman » 2019-01-06 10:42pm

Funny story-the part when the US economy boomed past WW2 was when you HAD that kind of taxation
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'

User avatar
aerius
Charismatic Cult Leader
Posts: 14352
Joined: 2002-08-18 07:27pm
Location: YHM

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by aerius » 2019-01-06 11:20pm

In a clip of the interview that was released on Friday, Cooper asked Ocasio-Cortez about the specifics of the "Green New Deal," a plan that calls for reducing carbon emissions to zero and moving the country off of fossil fuels in 10 years.
Yeah. Someone needs to sit her down and explain the laws of physics.
Image
aerius: I'll vote for you if you sleep with me. :)
Lusankya: Deal!
Say, do you want it to be a threesome with your wife? Or a foursome with your wife and sister-in-law? I'm up for either. :P

User avatar
LadyTevar
White Mage
White Mage
Posts: 19723
Joined: 2003-02-12 10:59pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by LadyTevar » 2019-01-06 11:48pm

aerius wrote:
2019-01-06 11:20pm
In a clip of the interview that was released on Friday, Cooper asked Ocasio-Cortez about the specifics of the "Green New Deal," a plan that calls for reducing carbon emissions to zero and moving the country off of fossil fuels in 10 years.
Yeah. Someone needs to sit her down and explain the laws of physics.
Ok, that is a stretch, but there have been studies in the past that have said it's possible -- If the Fossil Fuel Industry plays along. And we all know it will fight that kind of change kicking and screaming all the way.
Image
Librium Arcana, Where Gamers Play!
Nitram, slightly high on cough syrup: Do you know you're beautiful?
Me: Nope, that's why I have you around to tell me.
Nitram: You -are- beautiful. Anyone tries to tell you otherwise kill them.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" -- Leonard Nimoy, last Tweet

User avatar
Enigma
is a laughing fool.
Posts: 7650
Joined: 2003-04-30 10:24pm
Location: c nnyhjdyt yr 45

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Enigma » 2019-01-07 12:12am

Just watch as her giddy optimism gets crushed by reality in a few years time.
ASVS('97)/SDN('03)

"Whilst human alchemists refer to the combustion triangle, some of their orcish counterparts see it as more of a hexagon: heat, fuel, air, laughter, screaming, fun." Dawn of the Dragons

ASSCRAVATS!

User avatar
Raw Shark
Stunt Driver / Babysitter
Posts: 6644
Joined: 2005-11-24 09:35am
Location: One Mile Up

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Raw Shark » 2019-01-07 12:37am

Enigma wrote:
2019-01-07 12:12am
Just watch as her giddy optimism gets crushed by reality in a few years time.
At the risk of sounding like... well, me. It's my new goal to do things my Mom doesn't want to hear about while she tries it...

"Do I really look like a guy with a plan? Y'know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! Y'know, I just do things..." --The Joker

User avatar
His Divine Shadow
Commence Primary Ignition
Posts: 11925
Joined: 2002-07-03 07:22am
Location: Vasa, Finland

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by His Divine Shadow » 2019-01-07 02:04am

That's the kind of talk that needs to become the new normal. Keep dragging that fucking overton window back from over the precipice, one step at a time.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.

User avatar
TimothyC
Of Sector 2814
Posts: 3599
Joined: 2005-03-23 05:31pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by TimothyC » 2019-01-07 05:14am

Marginal tax rates were that high (and higher even) in the 1950s, and the federal government was not able to pull in enough revenue as a percentage of GDP to make her ideas work. I think she needs a class on history to go with the applied physics.
"I believe in the future. It is wonderful because it stands on what has been achieved." - Sergei Korolev

User avatar
Ace Pace
Hardware Lover
Posts: 8264
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:04am
Location: Wasting time instead of money
Contact:

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Ace Pace » 2019-01-07 06:48am

TimothyC wrote:
2019-01-07 05:14am
Marginal tax rates were that high (and higher even) in the 1950s, and the federal government was not able to pull in enough revenue as a percentage of GDP to make her ideas work. I think she needs a class on history to go with the applied physics.
Maybe a better solution is to keep the current tax code and simplify it, aiding collection, removing loopholes and lowering the time burden on the economy of filling out american taxes?
Brotherhood of the Bear | HAB | Mess | SDnet archivist |

User avatar
TimothyC
Of Sector 2814
Posts: 3599
Joined: 2005-03-23 05:31pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by TimothyC » 2019-01-07 07:25am

Ace Pace wrote:
2019-01-07 06:48am
Maybe a better solution is to keep the current tax code and simplify it, aiding collection, removing loopholes and lowering the time burden on the economy of filling out american taxes?
That would be a better solution. Heck, I don't actually have a problem with higher marginal rates at the high end, but doing so won't instantly generate a huge windfall.
"I believe in the future. It is wonderful because it stands on what has been achieved." - Sergei Korolev

User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20495
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by K. A. Pital » 2019-01-08 04:18am

TimothyC wrote:
2019-01-07 05:14am
Marginal tax rates were that high (and higher even) in the 1950s, and the federal government was not able to pull in enough revenue as a percentage of GDP to make her ideas work. I think she needs a class on history to go with the applied physics.
Here comes the history class:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauser%27s_law

Lesson learned? Never trust oligarch viewpoints.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali

User avatar
TimothyC
Of Sector 2814
Posts: 3599
Joined: 2005-03-23 05:31pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by TimothyC » 2019-01-08 10:07am

K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-01-08 04:18am
Here comes the history class:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauser%27s_law

Lesson learned? Never trust oligarch viewpoints.
You do realize that what I said holds true on that link right? Even when marginal tax rates were much, much higher than they are now (and were in the 1990s), total revenue as a percentage of GDP never climbed over 21%. Higher top marginal rates don't provide a huge windfall relative to lower ones. The modern peak was in 2000, when the top marginal rate was..... the same as it was in 2017.

Let me repeat what I said before: I don't actually have a problem with higher marginal rates (and I would like to see the tax code tightened up and simplified), but raising them will not generate the windfall that I think Rep. Ocasio-Cortez wants.
"I believe in the future. It is wonderful because it stands on what has been achieved." - Sergei Korolev

User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20495
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by K. A. Pital » 2019-01-08 10:20am

The difference is in the composition.

First we have established that tax revenue as a GDP share has not changed much. It was not much lower under a higher rate, which means at the very least raising the rates is not going to deplete the state resources.

Next, the reasons can be checked
http://moslereconomics.com/2012/08/27/f ... -revenues/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora ... -_2009.png

Tax composition has changed. Dramatically. Corporate taxes have been substantially lowered. Payroll taxes mean that wage workers‘ taxation constitutes a larger share of tax revenues by now.

So while the revenue relative to GDP may stay similar to preceding periods, the tax burden will be shifted to the rich. Which is a worthwhile achievement itself.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali

User avatar
Lonestar
Keeper of the Schwartz
Posts: 13210
Joined: 2003-02-13 03:21pm
Location: Tysons Corner Microwave Tower
Contact:

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Lonestar » 2019-01-08 02:33pm

Batman wrote:
2019-01-06 10:42pm
Funny story-the part when the US economy boomed past WW2 was when you HAD that kind of taxation
Hmm makes one wonder if there was anything going on globally, competitor wise, that might have helped that :D
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16689
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-01-08 02:44pm

aerius wrote:
2019-01-06 11:20pm
In a clip of the interview that was released on Friday, Cooper asked Ocasio-Cortez about the specifics of the "Green New Deal," a plan that calls for reducing carbon emissions to zero and moving the country off of fossil fuels in 10 years.
Yeah. Someone needs to sit her down and explain the laws of physics.
We probably could get off fossil fuels in 10 years if we just collectively said fuck it and went all in on building alternative energy sources (including potentially a heavy investment in nuclear power).

In reality, given the political climate in the US and the system in which we have to work- not a fucking prayer. Hell, at best it'll be over two years before we can even get started at the Federal level.
"Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?"

"Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow though."

-Generals William T. Sherman and Ulysses S Grant, the Battle of Shiloh.


"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?"-Terry Pratchett's DEATH.


I am a dual citizen of the United States and Canada.


Fuck Civility.

User avatar
aerius
Charismatic Cult Leader
Posts: 14352
Joined: 2002-08-18 07:27pm
Location: YHM

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by aerius » 2019-01-08 03:19pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2019-01-08 02:44pm
We probably could get off fossil fuels in 10 years if we just collectively said fuck it and went all in on building alternative energy sources (including potentially a heavy investment in nuclear power).

In reality, given the political climate in the US and the system in which we have to work- not a fucking prayer. Hell, at best it'll be over two years before we can even get started at the Federal level.
You can't, even with unlimited money and full government co-operation. Do you know what doesn't exist? The industrial infrastructure and trained specialists & workers required to a)build all that industrial infrastructure, and b)build the energy sources & grid. This is not a computer game, you don't just max out the education slider and plop down 100 factories & nuke plants.

Let's take building the electrical grid to handle all that new power we'll need to generate. You'll need a ton of transformer stations to step the voltage up & down for distribution. Sounds easy enough, right? Well, no. Power transformers use a special silicon steel alloy in their laminations to get the required efficiency so they don't burn up. Last time I checked, there's only a handful of steel mills in the US that have the equipment for rolling out the plates used in large power transformers. There's fun thing with transformer steel, it tends to be brittle and a bitch to work with compared to regular steels such as the ones used in cars or buildings. You need special rolling equipment to work with it along the trained workers & technicians to run it.

So we'll just order a bunch of rolling mills and get some folks trained to run them, simple enough, right? Well, no. See, rolling mills aren't exactly something you can pull out of 3-D printer. They're giant machines made up of large forgings and other such parts. Someone has to make those forgings so you can make the rolling machines for making the steel that goes into the transformers for your power grid. And funny enough, there's not exactly an abundance of heavy forging presses in the US. You need to start with one of these before you can start building everything else. And of course you need all the trained workers to run it.

This is just one of the countless bottlenecks you'll run into with any plan to modernize the power grid and move towards renewables or nuclear. It takes a lot of time to train the industry workers & specialists and build out the industrial base. In some cases, the workers & knowledge are already lost.
Image
aerius: I'll vote for you if you sleep with me. :)
Lusankya: Deal!
Say, do you want it to be a threesome with your wife? Or a foursome with your wife and sister-in-law? I'm up for either. :P

User avatar
TimothyC
Of Sector 2814
Posts: 3599
Joined: 2005-03-23 05:31pm

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by TimothyC » 2019-01-08 03:59pm

Heck, look at cars. There are something like 270 million cars in the US, and 17(ish) million are sold ever year. Now, of those 17 million, only between a quarter and a third of a million are electric. Even if you could magically change over all of the car production in the US to electric cars, you would need to either increase car production by over 50% or reduce the number of cars on the road by about 33% to get rid of all of the internal combustion engine powered cars.

Oh, and you have to get everyone on board with a new(ish) car.
"I believe in the future. It is wonderful because it stands on what has been achieved." - Sergei Korolev

User avatar
K. A. Pital
Glamorous Commie
Posts: 20495
Joined: 2003-02-26 11:39am
Location: Elysium

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by K. A. Pital » 2019-01-09 06:52am

TimothyC wrote:
2019-01-08 03:59pm
Heck, look at cars. There are something like 270 million cars in the US, and 17(ish) million are sold ever year. Now, of those 17 million, only between a quarter and a third of a million are electric. Even if you could magically change over all of the car production in the US to electric cars, you would need to either increase car production by over 50% or reduce the number of cars on the road by about 33% to get rid of all of the internal combustion engine powered cars.

Oh, and you have to get everyone on board with a new(ish) car.
Ban or penalize cars with low emission standards and soon you leave people little choice but to buy replacement vehicles. The question is, really, should it be done, not whether it can or cannot be done.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...

...La tranquillità è importante ma la libertà è tutto!
Assalti Frontali

User avatar
KraytKing
Padawan Learner
Posts: 345
Joined: 2016-04-11 06:39pm
Location: US East Coast

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by KraytKing » 2019-01-10 11:10am

Of course the plan can't actually work the way she says it will. I seriously doubt she doesn't know that, if a bunch of Internet nerds can see how unfeasible it is. It's the sort of thing you have to propose in order to get anything at all. A plan that is declared to work in ten years gives people hope, hope for the future, which is sorely lacking these days. The New Deal gave people hope, hope they needed.
If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
--Mace

The Old Testament has as much validity for the foundation of a religion as the pattern my recent case of insect bites formed on my ass.
--Solauren

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

User avatar
Beowulf
The Patrician
Posts: 10545
Joined: 2002-07-04 01:18am
Location: 32ULV
Contact:

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Beowulf » 2019-01-10 05:20pm

K. A. Pital wrote:
2019-01-09 06:52am
Ban or penalize cars with low emission standards and soon you leave people little choice but to buy replacement vehicles. The question is, really, should it be done, not whether it can or cannot be done.
Cool. Take cars from poor people.
"preemptive killing of cops might not be such a bad idea from a personal saftey[sic] standpoint..." --Keevan Colton
"There's a word for bias you can't see: Yours." -- William Saletan

User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 15373
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: 'Very' mildly hopeful now DC recognized taking Clark's red trunks away was a bad idea
Contact:

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Batman » 2019-01-10 05:44pm

Did you miss the 'should it be done' bit? He's saying it's possible, NOT that it would be a good idea.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'

User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 12604
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Elheru Aran » 2019-01-10 06:10pm

Batman wrote:
2019-01-10 05:44pm
Did you miss the 'should it be done' bit? He's saying it's possible, NOT that it would be a good idea.
Indeed; it could perhaps work in Europe and some major urban areas that actually have decent public transportation, but in the United States, people are simply too dependent on personal transportation for anything like this to work.

Slowly ratcheting up emissions standards over a period of, say, ten or fifteen years, and collecting the fees from testing to help build public transportation on the other hand, sounds vaguely reasonable. The downside being that this would still hurt a lot of people who couldn't afford the increased testing, and the US is pretty obnoxiously allergic to public transportation. There's a lot of reasons for that, but one big one is that particularly in rural areas, people are simply too spread out for bus service to be cost-and time-effective.
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.

User avatar
His Divine Shadow
Commence Primary Ignition
Posts: 11925
Joined: 2002-07-03 07:22am
Location: Vasa, Finland

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by His Divine Shadow » 2019-01-10 11:15pm

It would not work in europe, see yellow wests. This idea of raising fuel taxes is something of a centrist neolib kind of thinking to me ala Macron, though it's prevalent on the left but I don't see it as a leftist kind of thought, something city people with ready access to public transport would think. Poor people use their cars as little as possible already and can't really use them less than is needed so it would affect them the most. Really, all consumption taxes are highly regressive and best avoided. Income tax the top instead to provide alternatives.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who did not.

User avatar
Jub
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3196
Joined: 2012-08-06 07:58pm
Location: British Columbia, Canada

Re: Ocasio-Cortez proposes a 70% tax on the most wealthy to pay for a "Green New Deal".

Post by Jub » 2019-01-11 12:51am

Elheru Aran wrote:
2019-01-10 06:10pm
Indeed; it could perhaps work in Europe and some major urban areas that actually have decent public transportation, but in the United States, people are simply too dependent on personal transportation for anything like this to work.

Slowly ratcheting up emissions standards over a period of, say, ten or fifteen years, and collecting the fees from testing to help build public transportation on the other hand, sounds vaguely reasonable. The downside being that this would still hurt a lot of people who couldn't afford the increased testing, and the US is pretty obnoxiously allergic to public transportation. There's a lot of reasons for that, but one big one is that particularly in rural areas, people are simply too spread out for bus service to be cost-and time-effective.
Do we have 10 to 15 years to slowly wait for change to even start? We've, by which I mean politicians and businessmen, had our heads up our asses about climate change for so long that we can't just keep taking palatable baby steps. These changes will hurt people, likely myself included, but cars are a major emissions source and any cuts that can be made should be made.

Post Reply