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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-07-06 05:51pm

It is unfortunate that some people apparently don't understand that adapting something to a different artistic medium inevitably requires substantial changes, no matter how "faithful" to the original work the creators intend it to be.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-07-06 07:44pm

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It is unfortunate that some people apparently don't understand that adapting something to a different artistic medium inevitably requires substantial changes, no matter how "faithful" to the original work the creators intend it to be.
There's also the matter that "screen accurate" even if it was 100% screen accurate wouldn't look the same as it did in the series as the production crew of the series had total control over what they showed the audience and how they showed it. Not mention that field of view on TV camera is much more narrow then the FoV in most games so you get a better picture of just how big a space is with a game.

That said early in STO the devs did go overboard with the upscaling it's something they've admitted themselves too and are slowly downscaling things to a more reasonble scale, the 150% of screen accurate used for the DS9, Intrepid (from the C-store pack) and GCS (again the new special one) interiors. Though I suspect it'll take a while if ever for the 100% Cryptic creations to be changed that scale.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-07-06 08:00pm

Man, I have to rewatch some DS9 episodes to remind myself of the exact scale of the station.

Starship interiors have always been far larger than they need to be, relative to the size of the characters within them. The problem has always been what to do with the camera when you're in the tight confines of a corridor.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-07-09 02:33am

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2018-07-06 08:00pm
Man, I have to rewatch some DS9 episodes to remind myself of the exact scale of the station.

Starship interiors have always been far larger than they need to be, relative to the size of the characters within them. The problem has always been what to do with the camera when you're in the tight confines of a corridor.
It'll look slightly bigger onscreen, due to the factors I've mentioned, that said STO devs had the official blueprints for the sets (it's something they've mentioned several times) and countless photos so it's unlikely they'd screw up something so obvious as the scale of the sets.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by bilateralrope » 2018-07-09 06:23am

Lord Revan wrote:
2018-07-09 02:33am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-07-06 08:00pm
Man, I have to rewatch some DS9 episodes to remind myself of the exact scale of the station.

Starship interiors have always been far larger than they need to be, relative to the size of the characters within them. The problem has always been what to do with the camera when you're in the tight confines of a corridor.
It'll look slightly bigger onscreen, due to the factors I've mentioned, that said STO devs had the official blueprints for the sets (it's something they've mentioned several times) and countless photos so it's unlikely they'd screw up something so obvious as the scale of the sets.
They put the Klingons, Romulans and most of the Federation in the beta quadrant. When DS9 constantly referred to them as Alpha Quadrant powers. If they can get the main factions in the wrong quarter of the galaxy, I wouldn't put it past them to screw up the scale of sets.

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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-07-09 05:20pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2018-07-09 06:23am
Lord Revan wrote:
2018-07-09 02:33am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-07-06 08:00pm
Man, I have to rewatch some DS9 episodes to remind myself of the exact scale of the station.

Starship interiors have always been far larger than they need to be, relative to the size of the characters within them. The problem has always been what to do with the camera when you're in the tight confines of a corridor.
It'll look slightly bigger onscreen, due to the factors I've mentioned, that said STO devs had the official blueprints for the sets (it's something they've mentioned several times) and countless photos so it's unlikely they'd screw up something so obvious as the scale of the sets.
They put the Klingons, Romulans and most of the Federation in the beta quadrant. When DS9 constantly referred to them as Alpha Quadrant powers. If they can get the main factions in the wrong quarter of the galaxy, I wouldn't put it past them to screw up the scale of sets.
*shrugs* to a large degree they redrew the old Trek map to accommodate the game, where at least in the initial storyline, Klingons are in another expansionist phase and the Romulans have also spread all over the place. The stuff with the Dyson Sphere, the Undine, and Iconians added in the Delta Quadrant, and now they've brought in the Gamma with the Dominion. Redrawing the map can be excused as, I dunno, a re-calibration of the old Federation star charts or whatever.

The sets are a more egregious problem that have been a thing since the start. We are talking shuttles with a 20-foot-tall interior... to a degree you can't really avoid some distortion because of the third-person camera settings, but come on.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-07-09 05:30pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2018-07-09 06:23am
They put the Klingons, Romulans and most of the Federation in the beta quadrant. When DS9 constantly referred to them as Alpha Quadrant powers. If they can get the main factions in the wrong quarter of the galaxy, I wouldn't put it past them to screw up the scale of sets.

That's not unique to STO, background material has put the Klingons and Romulans in the Beta Quadrant for ages. There are even some references
in canon
admittedly mostly in newer works.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-07-18 02:11pm

Well the Phoenix Prize Pack has made a welcome return, which is going to cause the exchange rate to plummet. While most of my toons have (re)built their refined dil reserves to previous levels that I can buy another thousand or so I'm not going to need anywhere near that many. I just need to work out how many I'll need to fully upgrade my newest Jem'Hadar toon. Said toon has just made it to level 5 in the newest rep, so time to crank out 10 sponsorship tokens so the rest of my roster can benefit.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-10-09 08:18pm

Well Age of Discovery is up and apart from few bugs it's been nice so far

Also (spoilers for the AoD storyline) Spoiler
We might have seen what caused the USS Glenn to make the spore jump that sealed its fate. During the mission "secrets" the klingons board the USS Glenn and steal some data leading the Glenn to chase after them, it's possible that the Glenn risked an "unguided" spore jump to catch up to the klingons (as "ripper" had busted out of the containment in engineering).
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-10-09 08:54pm

It was disappointing that before the last Phoenix event there was no upgrade weekend, so all those who had gotten upgrade tokens last time round didn't have the incentive to use them, meaning less demand for packs this time round. Net result was no drop in the exchange rate this time- and with the new content it's only going to go up in the meantime.

Looks like I'll have to see some Discovery to really get the most out of it. Had to whip up another character to play through the new gamestart- I'm up to twelve now. The 6th level on reps is a real click-fest, it means kicking off assignments for each character individually for each rep. If there was a way to automate the process that would be really handy, doing the maths it'll take a full month to get the 150,000 points needed to get from tier 5 to 6 (all pre-existing toons are currently at 5); the new one will take 50 days.

At least because I have a shared bank with lots of surplus weaponry my new toon won't be short on firepower, she just needs to level up sufficiently to use it! :mrgreen:
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-10-09 09:57pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-10-09 08:54pm
It was disappointing that before the last Phoenix event there was no upgrade weekend, so all those who had gotten upgrade tokens last time round didn't have the incentive to use them, meaning less demand for packs this time round. Net result was no drop in the exchange rate this time- and with the new content it's only going to go up in the meantime.

Looks like I'll have to see some Discovery to really get the most out of it. Had to whip up another character to play through the new gamestart- I'm up to twelve now. The 6th level on reps is a real click-fest, it means kicking off assignments for each character individually for each rep. If there was a way to automate the process that would be really handy, doing the maths it'll take a full month to get the 150,000 points needed to get from tier 5 to 6 (all pre-existing toons are currently at 5); the new one will take 50 days.

At least because I have a shared bank with lots of surplus weaponry my new toon won't be short on firepower, she just needs to level up sufficiently to use it! :mrgreen:
I've been considering to change my main to phaser build so I might give those weapons to my DSC char.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-10-10 06:31am

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-10-09 08:54pm


Looks like I'll have to see some Discovery to really get the most out of it. Had to whip up another character to play through the new gamestart- I'm up to twelve now. The 6th level on reps is a real click-fest, it means kicking off assignments for each character individually for each rep. If there was a way to automate the process that would be really handy, doing the maths it'll take a full month to get the 150,000 points needed to get from tier 5 to 6 (all pre-existing toons are currently at 5); the new one will take 50 days.
Jesus Christ. I was planning to cut down my playing once I got most gear I level 15 epic. Actually I am still am, but occasionally I will upgrade to the level 6 rep for my three toons.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-10-10 10:12am

mr friendly guy wrote:
2018-10-10 06:31am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-10-09 08:54pm


Looks like I'll have to see some Discovery to really get the most out of it. Had to whip up another character to play through the new gamestart- I'm up to twelve now. The 6th level on reps is a real click-fest, it means kicking off assignments for each character individually for each rep. If there was a way to automate the process that would be really handy, doing the maths it'll take a full month to get the 150,000 points needed to get from tier 5 to 6 (all pre-existing toons are currently at 5); the new one will take 50 days.
Jesus Christ. I was planning to cut down my playing once I got most gear I level 15 epic. Actually I am still am, but occasionally I will upgrade to the level 6 rep for my three toons.
Exactly as they did with AoY, as soon as your character is done with the first segment you're brought straight to the 25th century by way of Daniels and the temporal observatory. At least thanks to unlocking stuff with my other toons I can get a head start on the rep marks.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-06 09:38am

Whatever happened to the red alert borg and red alert Tholians. They are my usual go to when I need to do x damage with an energy type for the bonus task.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-11-06 03:38pm

Before they nerfed the accessibility (now they only appear as 'special events' over the weekend), they nerfed both the XP and mark payouts. You can imagine the backlash on the forums.

The climb from rep tier 5 to 6 is almost done, just one more round of dailies after today and then I'll have access to whatever goodies are available at that tier. It's just as well that I stockpiled my marks, only converting to dil when there is some ore shortfall otherwise I'd have been forced into the ridiculous situation with the PvE queue system.

My new Discovery toon isn't exactly well-levelled, as far as I can tell the only unique feature is the (completely cosmetic) user interface, like with the AoD character there's no end-game stuff as of yet.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-11-06 10:22pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-11-06 03:38pm
Before they nerfed the accessibility (now they only appear as 'special events' over the weekend), they nerfed both the XP and mark payouts. You can imagine the backlash on the forums.

The climb from rep tier 5 to 6 is almost done, just one more round of dailies after today and then I'll have access to whatever goodies are available at that tier. It's just as well that I stockpiled my marks, only converting to dil when there is some ore shortfall otherwise I'd have been forced into the ridiculous situation with the PvE queue system.

My new Discovery toon isn't exactly well-levelled, as far as I can tell the only unique feature is the (completely cosmetic) user interface, like with the AoD character there's no end-game stuff as of yet.
There's no unique end game content for AoD toon just like there's none for AoY, there's new end game content coming but it's non-unique. (my AoD toon is past level 60 now).

It's best to consider the AoY and AoD factions as sub-factions of Starfleet with unique tutorials.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by houser2112 » 2018-11-07 08:00am

Lord Revan wrote:
2018-11-06 10:22pm
There's no unique end game content for AoD toon just like there's none for AoY, there's new end game content coming but it's non-unique. (my AoD toon is past level 60 now).

It's best to consider the AoY and AoD factions as sub-factions of Starfleet with unique tutorials.
AoY captains have the Mk XIII rep gear perk, did they do anything similar for AoD?

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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by Lord Revan » 2018-11-07 10:40am

houser2112 wrote:
2018-11-07 08:00am
Lord Revan wrote:
2018-11-06 10:22pm
There's no unique end game content for AoD toon just like there's none for AoY, there's new end game content coming but it's non-unique. (my AoD toon is past level 60 now).

It's best to consider the AoY and AoD factions as sub-factions of Starfleet with unique tutorials.
AoY captains have the Mk XIII rep gear perk, did they do anything similar for AoD?
No recruitment event, you just make one and that is it.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-11-09 05:00pm

Lord Revan wrote:
2018-11-07 10:40am
houser2112 wrote:
2018-11-07 08:00am
Lord Revan wrote:
2018-11-06 10:22pm
There's no unique end game content for AoD toon just like there's none for AoY, there's new end game content coming but it's non-unique. (my AoD toon is past level 60 now).

It's best to consider the AoY and AoD factions as sub-factions of Starfleet with unique tutorials.
AoY captains have the Mk XIII rep gear perk, did they do anything similar for AoD?
No recruitment event, you just make one and that is it.
This weekend is both a Phoenix Prize Pack and an item upgrade event, obviously timed to coincide with players reaching Tier 6 in the rep system. It's already brought the dil:zen exchange rate down to what it was before the AoD expansion, though because it's a combination upgrade and Phoenix event, demand for refined dilithium is only half what it would be otherwise. I'll wait until further in to see if the price drops any more before buying any Zen.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-11 07:55am

Anyone tried the new Her'c ships? They use a phasic harmonic weapon. What is a phasic harmonic weapon anyway? I mean energy types, is it a phaser or disruptor.

My fed tactical toon could benefit from a carrier ship, but Jesus christ they are expensive. 1.4 billion on the exchange. :lol: Its cheaper to buy from a gold farmer than to buy the EC.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-11 11:51am

So decided to start getting my tactical toon a carrier, the Hur'q carrier, but I can't afford that at the moment.

So I started with using lock box keys to get lobi crystals which its discounted. So I got some nice goodies to help with my future carrier plans.

1. Crossfield ship - use its starship trait (black alert) and allow me to create a temporal duplicate with beam overload (got a few other beam overload traits as well).
- also its teleporting console could be useful.
Especially when I use superweapon ingenuity to boost beam overload already.

2. Hur'q science ship - so its phasic harmonic weapons are phasers. Fortunately I got enough phoenix upgrade tokens (used around half) and upgraded some phasic harmonic weapon beam arrays, other phaser arrays and I got enough weapons for all slots. Not sure about what torpedoes to use, but I tried the Kentari one as I never used it before.
Its Hive bearer trait also gives an extra swarmer.

3. Universal deconstructive resonance emitter console - boosts phasers by 15% and kinetic damage by 15%. Might not make the cut for my carrier, but worth looking at.

4. Hive defense trait which gives me 15% chance to summon a swarmer if damaged. Swarmers last 45 seconds and can summon 3 at a time for a max of 9. This is a space trait so doesn't take up space for starship traits.

Tentatively I could use superweapon ingenuity (already have it), Hive bearer trait (need to train my Hur'q sci ship to get it), Black Alert (need to train my crossfield ship), scramble fighter ( 168 million EC) and I have on trait spot left for my planned carrier. I also have the phased device which summons hur'q swarmers.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-11-11 11:55am

Didn't fancy the Jupiter? My tac toon kitted one out with the Quantum Phase Applications set released at the same time. Owing to its size I named it the Beluga and equipped it with the Tholian Widow and Reman Scorpion fighters I picked up some time prior. It was more fun than I expected to fly once I'd given its agility a boost! :mrgreen:
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-11-12 02:50pm

Yeah, I'm a proponent of the Jupiter as well. It's my flagship in-game.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-13 06:27am

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-11-11 11:55am
Didn't fancy the Jupiter? My tac toon kitted one out with the Quantum Phase Applications set released at the same time. Owing to its size I named it the Beluga and equipped it with the Tholian Widow and Reman Scorpion fighters I picked up some time prior. It was more fun than I expected to fly once I'd given its agility a boost! :mrgreen:
My primary toon flies the fleet version of the Jupiter. I am trying to get the tactical toon different ships for variety. Although if I can't afford the Hur'q carrier, I can just settle for the Jupiter.
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Re: Should I try out Star Trek Online?

Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-16 12:12pm

I am trying to play foundry missions and nothing turns up. I have heard after large patches the foundry is shut down, but why did they give a mission to complete foundry missions. Jesus.
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Australia, Canada, China, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.

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