Elfdart wrote: ↑2018-01-10 11:09pm
I know critics and apologists for Disney Star Wars have gotten their panties in a twist because the audience score is much lower than the score they gave the movie. Trying to blame this on a neo-Nazi conspiracy is pathetic, given that the critic and audience scores are very close for TFA, and Gamergaters, neo-Nazis, MRAs and other lowlifes were in full bloom when that movie came out too. So unless you'd like to present some kind of evidence that racists and misogynists didn't have access to the internet two years ago, you're talking a lot of paranoid horseshit, and it's despicable.
I'm not blaming anything
on a 'neo-Nazi conspiracy'. That's something you made up. But yeah, go look at RT's audience reviews. A model of self-selection bias, with 1/2 star review after 1/2 star review (the bare minimum score possible) for pages going on about shit like "feminisation" and "political agendas" and "race mixing", "SJWs" and what not.
Or did you not know you can actually - you know - read audience reviews? If you think this doesn't reflect ugly right-wing animus because they don't like Laura Dern's pink hair and other stuff stemming from their tiny-little balls, you're delusional.
Generally, the evidence that Last Jedi's audience score is the subject of review bombing / brigading is compelling:
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/ ... ence-score
Said brigading is the only thing people who are really upset TLJ got good reviews and Cinemscore cling to in an effort to prove that the movie is actually unpopular (because they can't stand the thought that this isn't the majority view), and its pure horseshit.
Kane Starkiller wrote: ↑2018-01-10 10:30am
The films' narative was that ramming another ship using hyperspeed was some new genius move on the part of the rebel admiral not that Hux specifically is dumb. Even Poe needs a few beats to realize the genius of the act. Of course the moment you establish that it is indeed possible to hurt a ship with hyperspeed ramming it becomes the most obvious thing in the world. It is such a devastating and obvious tactic that it should be the primary concern of every single space soldier to the point that they should be waking up in cold sweat thinking about it. I mean even the escorting star destroyers were cut into ribbons by the debris resulting from the impact.
It would be like chasing an elderly woman in a wheelchair and a guy with a lightsaber and then the guy with a lightsaber ignites it and starts turning towards you but you start punching the elderly woman in a wheelchair because you are "incompetent". Huh? I mean do First Order dudes have any instinctive self preservation skills?
Leaving aside the colorful analogy, how does this answer anything of what I said about what the film shows us about Hux's decision making and how quickly the other rebel ships were destroyed when they fell behind?
A sneaky strawman that is yess yess hehehehe.
This is not about wanting to see Rey have a 20 minute Rocky Balboa training montage nor are most people that say she's a Mary Sue saying that Luke's 2 day journey from "want to go to Toshi station to get some power converters" to "yes that was me blowing up the death star" was more realistic in mathematical terms but people still expect certain internal consistency and narrative logic.
All we needed in the original Star Wars was a short scene on board the Millenium Falcon where Obi Wan introduces Luke to the Force. Where is that scene in the Force Awakens? Imagine if Obi Wan and Luke drove into Mos Eisly and it's Luke that says "these aren't the droids you're looking for" while Obi Wan gazes at him with a bewildered expression. Would that make any fucking sense?
This isn't what happened in The Force Awakens. Rey used a mind trick on the stormtrooper after Kylo Ren tried to read her mind, succeeded for a time, and then she pushed back. This isn't a lack of internal consistence and narrative logic, its Rey learning to use powers that have been displayed on her. Also, you're totally forgetting her conversation with Maz. Or is only a Jedi able to say what Obi-Wan said?
The belonging you seek is not behind
you. It is ahead. I am no Jedi,
but I know the Force. It moves
through and surrounds every living
thing. Close your eyes. Feel it.
(Closing her eyes and feeling it is exactly what she does at the turnaroudn point in her duel with Kylo).
And even so, she didn't do anything like freeze anyone in place, resist Kylo Ren's force push that sent her into a tree, freeze blaster bolts, or anything else like that.
The movie goes to great pains to explain Rey defeating Kylo Ren. Not only is it blindingly obvious in the script that Kylo was weakened by killing Han, not strengthened, but it's illustrated for us when he fails to stop Chewie's blaster bolt when we saw him stop Poe's earlier in the film. Then the movie injures him.
In TLJ this is made explicit when Snoke outright says this is what happened.
But no, Rey is a Mary Sue. Nobody is allowed to display Force powers or any inherent aptitude whatsoever unless they have training, even though this was never an aspect of any of Luke's training in ANH or TESB. Remember when Obi-Wan taught Luke how to force pull a lightsaber? No? But he did it in TESB, didn't he? Remember how Darth Plagueis' ghost or some stupid shit mind-controlled Anakin to be able to see into the future while he was podcracing? Remember how Obi-Wan taught luke how to make a 1 out of 1,000,000 proton torpedo shot?
This is like when Mary Sue whiners complain that Rey is able to fly the Falcon (she's a pilot, the movie establishes this, but the Mary Sue brigade refuse to take the movie at its word) - they have endless bullshit apologetics for how Luke being able to fly an X-Wing in space combat makes any sense at all without the Force, all of which is based on stuff that isn't in the movie: "well T-16 canyon womp rats controls like an X-Wing argle bargle". It's all a load of crap.
No one (Well I'm sure there is always someone out there...) had the slightest problem with Trinity from Matrix being a badass from the very first scene of the movie. No one said "durrr how come she beat up cop but Neo can't beat up cop and can't jump over building durrr Mary Sue feminizm". The movie establishes that the run in with the cops wasn't the first tango for her and that she's experienced while Neo is a complete fish out of water neopyhte. Therefore it makes sense that Trinity is a battle hardened combat expert and Neo doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Woman or man don't enter into it.
The scene where Rey turns the force on Kylo during interrogation would be like Neo sewing Agent Smith's mouth shut during the interrogation scene from the first Matrix movie.
It's not even remotely the same situation, as set out above.
Even in the Last Jedi it's not her that has an arc on the training island it's Luke. She has no change in perspective and no new understanding of the Force whereas Luke is the one that actually has to learn what he learned and lived 30 years ago. What the fuck?
She's a Mary Sue. It's that simple.
That's crap. Did you forget that Luke asks her what the Force is and she gives a horseshit ignorant answer? Luke then explains to her what it actually is, she learns, and then displays her raw potential when she notices the darkness?