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Largely the situation, from what I understand. He's been doing cameos for a long time, not just Marvel movies-- he even appeared in a Jay and Silent Bob movie (Mallrats, I think). He's got some absurd income from all his Marvel and other comics work, he makes pretty regular appearances at conventions and such (though he announced recently he's going to tone that down as his health is failing), speaking appearances, and all that.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He's so hellishly rich from all his work, he probably does cameos for the hell of it nowadays.
He doesn't need work. Marvel pay him a million dollars a year just to continue existing.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He's so hellishly rich from all his work, he probably does cameos for the hell of it nowadays.
He was Marvel's chairman of the board at one time, I don't think there's a single current Marvel title that isn't at least partly his intellectual property, and he's probably the company's oldest employee(93 years old?! Fuckin' A!).Vendetta wrote:He doesn't need work. Marvel pay him a million dollars a year just to continue existing.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He's so hellishly rich from all his work, he probably does cameos for the hell of it nowadays.
Few times I've seen him at conventions, he's always come off as a class act.Elheru Aran wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at all if he basically does it as a favour, and the only thing the studio does is cover his costs (driver, any motel stays or flights, meals). The dude is (mostly) a class act, and as noted, he's living large anyway. I could be wrong, of course.
He didn't create Angela, the current Captain Marvel, Deadpool, Nova... etc...U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He was Marvel's chairman of the board at one time, I don't think there's a single current Marvel title that isn't at least partly his intellectual property, and he's probably the company's oldest employee(93 years old?! Fuckin' A!).Vendetta wrote:He doesn't need work. Marvel pay him a million dollars a year just to continue existing.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He's so hellishly rich from all his work, he probably does cameos for the hell of it nowadays.
He's not actually employed by Marvel.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He was Marvel's chairman of the board at one time, I don't think there's a single current Marvel title that isn't at least partly his intellectual property, and he's probably the company's oldest employee(93 years old?! Fuckin' A!).Vendetta wrote:He doesn't need work. Marvel pay him a million dollars a year just to continue existing.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He's so hellishly rich from all his work, he probably does cameos for the hell of it nowadays.
That's one hell of a pension... guess he rates a pretty decent one after everything he did for them, though. The way he tells it sometimes, you'd think he literally brick-and-mortared it from the ground up from the 50s through the 80s...Vendetta wrote:He's not actually employed by Marvel.U.P. Cinnabar wrote:He was Marvel's chairman of the board at one time, I don't think there's a single current Marvel title that isn't at least partly his intellectual property, and he's probably the company's oldest employee(93 years old?! Fuckin' A!).Vendetta wrote:
He doesn't need work. Marvel pay him a million dollars a year just to continue existing.
He just has a lifetime million dollar a year salary from them for being Stan Lee.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did.Elheru Aran wrote:The way he tells it sometimes, you'd think he literally brick-and-mortared it from the ground up from the 50s through the 80s...
Unbelievably shitty, and while he wasn't the only one shafting artists and writers like that, it doesn't excuse his actions(or lack thereof), nor do his contributions to both Marvel, and the industry at large balance that out.Kind of shitty what he did to Jack Kirby and a lot of other artists, though (paid them by art done rather than a proper hourly wage, then claimed ownership of the art and characters so they couldn't profit off selling prints, etc). You could say it was a corporate thing by Marvel rather than by Lee personally... but the fact is that Lee was directly in charge at the time and he could've done something about it if he cared, so that ball was in his court at the time and he dropped it. A major blemish on his career which that fellatory graphic-novel biography that came out recently glosses over big-time.
It makes sense for them to do so. Stan the Man is a living legend, a link to the glory days of comics, the man who invented many of the characters we know and love and influenced plenty of others and really the entire comics book industry.Vendetta wrote:He's not actually employed by Marvel.
He just has a lifetime million dollar a year salary from them for being Stan Lee.
According to this link NY Comic-Con will be his final con appearance. Entirely understandable given his age.Elheru Aran wrote: (though he announced recently he's going to tone that down as his health is failing),
You know, that WAS the industry standard, and not just at Marvel it was throughout the comic world. Doing the artwork was legally "work-for-hire" and when you do work-for-hire as an artist you do NOT have copyright claim or automatic residuals. Yeah, he could have done things differently but no one else at the time was doing anything different so where was the motivation? Siegel and Schuster went through lawsuit hell from the 1940's onward with DC comics so it was nothing new, and the courts usually sided with the comics industry on ownership rights. That didn't even start to change until the 1970's.Elheru Aran wrote:Kind of shitty what he did to Jack Kirby and a lot of other artists, though (paid them by art done rather than a proper hourly wage, then claimed ownership of the art and characters so they couldn't profit off selling prints, etc). You could say it was a corporate thing by Marvel rather than by Lee personally... but the fact is that Lee was directly in charge at the time and he could've done something about it if he cared, so that ball was in his court at the time and he dropped it. A major blemish on his career which that fellatory graphic-novel biography that came out recently glosses over big-time.
Either that, or the cameo would be done via picture, as in the Netflix Daredevil where Stan Lee made his appearance as a picture on the wall of the police precinct. In which case his appearances might well continue after his death.Kojiro wrote:But there's every chance that at some point we'll have to go to a Marvel movie knowing there won't be that cameo in there.
Minimum SAG rates are $150 a day for a non-speaking part, $750 a day if you have a few lines.Dartzap wrote:I'm guessing he must get paid whatever the minimum union rate is. If only we knew someone whose done work in the extras industry. ....
But since this is Stan Lee we're talking about he might be raking in a few grand per appearance. Or even just doing them for funsies.General Zod wrote:Minimum SAG rates are $150 a day for a non-speaking part, $750 a day if you have a few lines.Dartzap wrote:I'm guessing he must get paid whatever the minimum union rate is. If only we knew someone whose done work in the extras industry. ....