Uh, radar can detect moving objects via the doppler effect.Jub wrote: That depends on the spell used, the base version is only rounds per level, but that's enough to easily get past the forces guarding the portal with either a simple teleport or you could take to the sky. Of course it might be easier to come through as a fly or something that won't be detected.
If their wasting resources blowing up decoys you win. Summoned creatures don't cost anything, nor do mirror images or illusions all of which can get the enemy to waste his ammo and get desensitized to things passing through the portal.
Plus, you assume that radar will detect an invisble person easily with radar. I'm not sure that we have radar sets that will work well enough to detect a person among ground clutter. Even if the area is defoliated and made flat, you could spoof the radar with decoys and then walk on past.
Even if all things go your way, assassins rarely win the day alone. At worse humanity will adopt tactics used against say Kira in the Death Note series. People hide their faces and identities. The world's leaders (especially non democratic ones where the leaders are chosen by parties) take aliases.
Who says you need to make the trip in a single spell? All you need to use it for is to get past the guards at the gate and then you can get where you need to go at leisure. Also Greater Teleport, which the higher level mages get, has unlimited range and you never arrive off target. Thus you can blink from your study back in Faerun, right to exactly the oval office or the last place your scrying saw the PotUS at.
How have I given them more than what we know? In fact they know more about us than we know about them because real world history is pretty much always more fleshed out than fictional history.You can't hide them from scrying and if this scenario is at all fair the books these guys get will show world leaders as they will appear to the people of the realms. Otherwise both sides clearly don't know about one another and the RAR is kind of stacked to one side as we'll know more about them than they'll know about us.
As I said, all our pictures appear as Orcs to them. I thought that was pretty clear.
Firstly from your own words, if it exists. As I said, Orcs on Earth don't exist.
I'm pretty sure that's not how things work. You can scry on a target that is polymorphed into an entirely different kingdom after all. So nice dice there, if it exists and you know of it, you can scry on it.
Actually even in game mechanics, there is always a one in twenty chance of failure. Moreover super assassins rarely turn the tide especially when we can replace our leaders relatively easily.You can scry on the leaders with ease.
Ahem. From the description of Greater Teleport. You must have some clear idea of the location and layout of the destination or a reliable description of the place to which you are teleporting. I might buy that he ends up somewhere close to say the White House. But right next to the president even if you knew what his room looked like (among the numerous rooms), that's just relying on writer's fiat.Greater teleport says you won't arrive off target, plus you can always scan a wider area so that doesn't happen.
I find that hard to believe since the Gods don't even know about us. This is getting into no limits fallacy isn't it.It doesn't matter if it has a short duration if you cast the spell on the target you're looking for and teleporting less than ten seconds later. Plus you can always literally ask your god where person x is and get an answer.
Problem isYour scrying thing is a BS asspull that has no basis in D&D. You can scry on people who've cast illusions on themselves or even ones that have polymorphed so you can find the PotUS easy as anybody else.
1. The person you are scrying for doesn't exist, or at least is nowhere near how you perceive it
2. Given the time limit, unless you catch them precisely discussing plans, its not going to help much.
3. Even if you can spy on them, sometimes they are too strong and it makes not much difference. Notice Szass Tam accomodated rather than opposed the Tuigan. He demonstrated scrying abilities in the Harpers series of novels.
Great. Now all you have to do is prove they stop a bullet. Using science and logic as per board rules.Yeah, have you seen the AC boosting tricks Mages and Clerics can do? Not to mention damage reduction enough to stop a bullet cold based on the stats for modern weapons in the 3.5 DMG.
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=26144
Hint if normal medieval weapons can hurt them, then modern weapons would wipe the floor with them.
And this translation changes the military equation how exactly?It is if you use say an illusion to make the enemy see you as his best friend. Then you can talk to your new friend and have him understand you.
There is this thing called the burden of proof and its not my job to do your homework for you.
There is this wonderful thing called google out there, but effects range from simple stuff like charm person and calm emotions to stuff like Geas/Quest give the president a quest to lose the war/make peace/stop the invasion by any meansor you could just dominate him or modify his memories.
They have more than one option and this is only the core stuff, you can literally mind rape a person at higher levels.
Secondly only the more powerful ones could compel the president to do something stupid. And thirdly in modern day governments there are things called checks and balances. I think if the POTUS suddenly decided to do something unpopular, there would be consequences. Of course making peace depends on how far the conflict has gone. Hint if your opening gambit is to assassinate or brainwash the president, then oh boy its going to hurt.
From your own link
Major Image Can make sounds, scents, and thermal effects which should fool most imaging systems at range.
Persistent Image Does the same, but can also be used to speak to the target as well.
There are examples of effects created by illusions that also recreate tactile feedback, but I can't recall the spell to create those at the moment.
This spell functions like silent image, except that sound, smell, and thermal illusions are included in the spell effect.
Ok so radar will not detect anything. So hook if up with visual aids and the discrepancy will show up.
Next you will tell me D & D can beat some lower lights in the Culture because they can summon objects up to 25 000 gp in existence, and since the Culture doesn't have money they produce infinite Culture ships. You know what's funny, its clear you didn't even think this through.You want an example of what wish can do. It can summon objects up to 25,000gp. Now that gold is worth about $11,000,000, I'd bet that's enough bribe a few people. It's also enough to simply wish tanks, nuclear weapons, machine tools, and the like into existence.
For example http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/db_ ... cle_id=300
Sorry, that means the average nuclear weapon is a wee bit more than your $11 million dollars. Tanks do fall into that category though I am going to hazard a guess that you will very quickly reduce your levels. Yes because I am actually use some numbers which you no numbers types are loath to do. A level 20 Wizard has 190 000 exp. That accounts to 38 tanks assuming you lose 5000 XP each wish spell you cast. Actually it will be less because once you get too low, you won't be able to cast wish.There are currently nine countries with a total of over 20,000 nuclear weapons, spending $105 billion annually on their nuclear arsenals and delivery systems. That will amount to more than $1 trillion over the next decade. The US accounts for about 60 percent of this amount.
Oh wait, there is still the problem of petrol. Ok so you wish for petrol for the tank. That's another wish gone. What about the crew for the tank. Hmm. Problem there. You know what's even more funnier. Modern day nations have tanks in the thousands. Your trump card spell casters will quickly reduce their levels (thus rendering them no longer a trump card), desperately creating tanks the realms cannot use, and failing to match the numbers of tanks we already have, yet alone what we can produce.
Firstly they can't occur in places they can't normally happen? From your own link]
That depends on the spell now doesn't it?
One example is a fairly basic one control weather. Do you really want to deal with natural disasters that can show up as needed and in places they can't normally happen?
You can call forth weather appropriate to the climate and season of the area you are in.
Since you really don't like numbers lets do the maths for you. Control winds has a radius of 40 feet / level. So say a level 25 caster can affect 1000 feet or 304.8 metres. That gives an area of just under 292000 sq metres (rounding up). That's about 72 Acres. Sounds impressive until you use this useful thing called google.Control Winds is another way to get storm force winds as desired.
If one wanted to they could use these spells + teleport to take chunks out of crops. Or just to really fuck with
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This trick might work against some developing nations who struggle to feed themselves, assuming we don't band together and distribute food.Large farms now dominate crop production in the United States. Although most cropland was
operated by farms with less than 600 crop acres in the early 1980s, today most cropland is on
farms with at least 1,100 acres, and many farms are 5 and 10 times that size.
Actually no. From their description of wishMaster's Touch; Cheap enough to crank out enmass in the form of gloves and then your soldiers can use the weapons you wished for. (At average cost one wish can get you roughly 20,000 AK's per wish at world wide average prices.)
Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value.. Sorry single item allowed.
Moreover Master's Touch appears to be from a non Forgotten Realms D & D source. How likely are Faerunian wizards likely to know such spells. Very unlikely I would have thought.
Actually to cast a spell while polymorph you must be able to speak it if it has a verbal component and move hands if it has a somatic component. Power word kill has a verbal component.
Yeah, but a key general dead at the wrong time is still a pain. Same with a key leader of industry or a specific diplomat. Plus you can cast it while invisible, or while made impossible to hit after you stack buffs on yourself. Or you can cast it while you're polymorphed into a fly and sitting in a corner somewhere.
The US replaced Petraeus for having an affair even though he had great success in Iraq. I don't think a key general dead is going to bother us as much as say during medieval or classical times.
You would automatically know about leading scientists and plant managers because... Please note my book told them about our technological capability and history. I don't think plant managers even get an entry into an encyclopaedia.
So? The president still knows battle plans, plus you always go after leading scientists, plant managers, and the like instead. Hell you could even just make them into loyal undead that still look human. See Necropoltians in Libris Mortis, and send them back home to live normal lives as your ally.
Yes a case where game mechanics don't make much sense since an organic creature could potentially survive but a much larger and resilent inorganic one won't.
Have you never heard of Disintegrate Most tanks cease to work with a 10ft cube taken out of them. The range is short, but again invisibility, or meld with stone or just making yourself impossible to hit.
But playing along
1. I can go Spelljammer and argue tanks should have hit points, er I mean hull points like spelljamming ships and could potentially survive.
2. Tanks have longer range weaponry (see previous post)
3. Ok, so have infantry around. They either shoot the wizard or get disintegrated leaving the tank alone.
4. If I want to be a smart arse, I can do what Michael Shermer did to disprove firewalking. He stuck pieces of meat on his feet walked across the flaming coals and observed the meat wasn't burnt. Cover the tank with camouflaging plants covered with living insects. Disintegrate takes out the insects (hey I can use game mechanics against you too).
With undead that have bodies, destroy the body and they won't bother us until they can reconstitute it.
In theory, but there's a reason why they are considered broken after all. Hell they can literally make themselves impossible to kill with the right spells, or they could simply become Liches, or ghosts. How do you kill incorporeal undead without magic weapons?
With ghosts its a bit harder, until we study exactly how they work.
How do you know D & D fanboys are getting desperate? When they invoke Pun Pun.Might I also mention the infinitly powerful beings that can walk the D&D earth. What does Earth do when Pun-Pun shows up? Or the Omniscificer? Or the planet killer umm... thing... Yes that does say it can do 3.879e271 d6+2265 damage per throw. Plus, infinite actions and infinite damage loops exist in D&D as does the potential to violate thermodynamics.
Firstly some of those items used to create pun pun are from non FR sources. So will these artifacts appear on Faerun? Also you need Sarrukhs, which are damn rare even in FR.
Two - no in universe character has created pun pun. Sorry, no one but humans on Earth know how to create Pun Pun. Guess who will be trying to create a Pun Pun now that we know D & D is real. Hint it won't be them.
Three - invoking Pun Pun is like Trekkies invoking alien of the week vs SW galactic empire.
I already pointed out in the OP it was based on the Sauron vs Earth thread which was lopsided, so I chose an opponent somewhat more powerful. But I guess D & D fanboys become butt hurt and resort to telling me to google it instead of providing evidence and rely on a "no numbers" approach to debating.Jub wrote:Mr. Friendly guy seems to just want a scenario to wank to given that not only do we appear as orcs, but he also added this in a different post:
I guess he just wants to see spears versus tanks for some reason.Just to make conflict more likely. I will have the Gods of Faerun warn their followers that these "orcs" ie us are dangerous and want to invade. This occurs due to plot device.
Frankly I've been showing off casters and what they can do, because that's interesting with or without a war. Plus, I do think a well played caster can win the war by making the right people 'his/her friend' and starting a nuclear exchange.