This. Batman is Batman because of the resources, the skills and the theatricality that lets him scare the shit out of people with guns before he's thrown the first punch, that's let's him be more than a man. Robin...at best has a good poker face, he doesn't have the martial arts training or even the basic understanding of some of the things that Batman does. He needs training.The Cooler King wrote:JLTucker wrote:Why would he specifically need that training?
There IS the ninja/magician training that the League gave him in 'deception and theatricality' that helped Bruce use fear so effectively. It wasn't just his combat training that made him such a terror, after all.
That's because he didn't really give a shit? But I agree, everyone in Gotham disappeared basically and we never saw anyone switch sides. Bane isn't hurting Batman that much if it's the people he put in jail that are killing people. That's just an affirmation of his philosophy.One of the weakest parts of the whole movie was the execution of Bane's plan. His ruse of enfranchising the disenfranchised was flat and unbelievable. There was a scene of the rich getting ransacked and the prisoners getting out, but as far as I could tell, it was the prisoners doing the ransacking. The movie didn't show the actual poor citizens of Gotham that Bane claimed to represent. If they actually existed, I'd have liked to see them.
While he was Batman Bruce also gave money to the children's homes and such, but his parents' killer did so because of mob influence and the drugs they provided. A lot of people wouldn't be poor if there weren't mobsters providing them with drugs and it's stated that Batman made the supply dry up in TDK, to the point that they had to turn to Scarecrow. If there are fewer mobs and gangs then there are also fewer elements to suck kids up into the criminal life as well.Batman, for all his techno-wizardry and kung-fu skills, didn't deal with one of the main causes of crime. Yes he smashed the organised crime mobs, but organised crime mobs didn't kill his parents. A common criminal did and common criminals will always exist where inequality does. That was one of Ra's al-Ghul's points in the first movie, if you make someone hungry, they'll steal. Ra's was evil because he only saw the evil in people, to the extent that he tried to make them evil.
Talia was full of shit, R'as's plan was based on the fact that Gotham was extraordinarily corrupt and criminal, not that it had criminals at all. That's a side effect of being human, the point is that there should be some system to deal with it, to restore order.Gotham didn't have any such system and would never have gained one if not for the wild card in the bat costume.
Talia believed in her father's goal because it was her father, not because it was rational. And she turns around and justifies it even if Gotham is cleaner than it ever was. The League doesn't go around blowing up other cities does it? Gotham was extraordinary, now it's not, if she didn't want revenge, she might have looked at things differently.Talia may have organised this whole thing out of revenge for her father's death, but I don't think it can be disputed that she also believed in her father's goal of cleansing the city. And if you're gonna cleanse the city, what do you cleanse it of? Wasn't the whole point of TDK that the choice of good and evil rests within the hearts of everyone? When Talia said something like the word 'innocent' doesn't really apply to Gotham, that needs to be justified. It was a missed opportunity I think.