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Then One Morning I Woke Up And Was Struck By A Pure Stroke Of Genius
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I'm sure a mod will punt it soon enough.Elheru Aran wrote:Uh... I'm sorry, this tells us pretty much nothing? It sounds remarkably biased towards this Vlad Taltos fellow. Are you sure you weren't meaning to post in fanfiction? And in any case, if this is supposed to be a serious versus, it kind of goes in Fantasy, not Science Fiction...?
Vlad carries an artifact known as a Great Weapon, the particular abilities of which I'm not quite certain. His greatest weapon, however, is his mind. In a city of near-immortal elven sorcerers, he's among the five top assassins, although he's definitely not number one.Dragaera wiki wrote:He is a fencer, an outstanding witch, a mediocre sorcerer, and a gifted but dangerously incompetent elder sorcerer.
Yes.Mr Bean wrote:So any channeler who knows he's coming can pretty much destroy him let alone the series heavweights or any of the Forsaken assuming your talking about "present day" IE as of The Towers of Midnight.
I reiterate: Vlad Taltos is an assassin. He's neither a tank nor a moron. If he's contracted to kill someone, he's not going to suddenly develop brain damage and call them out at high noon.Mr Bean wrote:Any old Asha'man could take him unless Vlad gets lucky which considering the number of Asha'man means getting lucky a thousand times in a row. Trying to take on one of the series main three would be similarly impossible as one can channel, one is so lucky he could likely face vlad tied up and asleep and win and the third who he has the best shot at has enough plot armor to shrug off nothing short of a nuke.
Ran's not a God however he's just Jesus. Besides he's got the "Pattern protects me" turned up to 11. He can be wounded, even captured but never killed until his appointed day to die.Eleas wrote:
As for the big three, I actually think he'd have the easiest time killing Rand, given that his Great Weapon is called -- not boastfully -- Godslayer. Given what we see the Great Weapons (and that one in particular) do, it would not be surprising to see it slice straight through a Weave.
No, Spellbreaker was his chain. It fused with a morganti dagger and SpoilerImperial Overlord wrote:Well, there's two catches. One, knowing Vlad is coming. He's an assassin. He's used to having fuck off powerful spellcasters on his "to kill" list. He isn't going to try to kill anyone of them straight up. Vlad's also an accomplished witch, a minor sorcerer, and if he's feeling like endangering the lives of everyone around him he can call upon the power of raw chaos with elder sorcery (not recommended).
The other one is Vlad's Great Weapon is called Spelldrinker. It's semi sentient and will act to protect his ass and besides being a soul eating Morganti weapon on steroids, does exactly what it says on the tin. So he's very, very dangerous to all channelers.
Oh. Sorry.Imperial Overlord wrote:Yeah, but Godslayer is a Great Weapon and all the above applies. I was trying to be brief and not spoilerly.
Which leads back to the issue he will have trying to kill Matt or Rand, they have such strong luck at this point putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger might result in six misfire or some such. Things that happen one time in a million happen regularly and in their favor. Also Matt gets premonitions anytime someone is trying to kill him and has an excellent shot at it (Also any time a vital decision comes up that will affect the rest of his life). Something if Vlad is good enough is going to result simply by starting to plan trying to kill Mat will set that off. It's not universal but it's consistent.Imperial Overlord wrote:It should be noted that Vlad, when he was an assassin, was very good at it, but not wankishly or godlike at it (that's Mario's bag). He's pretty good at surveillance and information gathering and then exploiting any holes in personal security he finds.
Just to provide a couple of examples.Mr Bean wrote:Which leads back to the issue he will have trying to kill Matt or Rand, they have such strong luck at this point putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger might result in six misfire or some such. Things that happen one time in a million happen regularly and in their favor. Also Matt gets premonitions anytime someone is trying to kill him and has an excellent shot at it (Also any time a vital decision comes up that will affect the rest of his life). Something if Vlad is good enough is going to result simply by starting to plan trying to kill Mat will set that off. It's not universal but it's consistent.Imperial Overlord wrote:It should be noted that Vlad, when he was an assassin, was very good at it, but not wankishly or godlike at it (that's Mario's bag). He's pretty good at surveillance and information gathering and then exploiting any holes in personal security he finds.
To be fair to Rand he was betrayed at a negotiation and the destiny thing works against him at times as he had just managed to piss of his ultra protect bodyguard Aiel and this was the one time he happen not to have a single other person besides himself and Min in the great Hall was the one time the Sisters made their move sneaking thirteen Sisters into his presence.Imperial Overlord wrote:On second thought, both Matt and Rand do manage to be very sloppy with their personal security and get themselves captured despite their super powers so maybe they both just die. Vlad is wired into his world's cycle of destiny as well (reincarnation cycles and bearing one of the Seventeen Great Weapons) so relying on destiny preventing him from making a kill isn't wise.
Pretty much anytime a woman shoes up. I remember something about a queen tying him up and using him as a sex doll (which is pretty much makes him familiar bait during those moments and is hardly a demonstration of unthouchability).Mr Bean wrote:
When did Matt get captured?
Rand used to, but these days Rand has at least a dozen Aes Sedai, most of whom have Asha'man bonded to them even if he doesn't have his Aiel guard around. In the case of him being captured that was several books ago and he's changed a great deal since then, so it really depends at what point they are facing each other. Is Vlad facing dumbass Rand from books 4-7, or is he facing supremely angry but generally not completely retarded from 8-11 or does he get to face Rand from the last few books, where he's undergone a couple of huge power ups and has gone from outright insane to almost as dark as the Dark One and back to jesus figure Rand.Imperial Overlord wrote:Let me preface this by saying it's been a long time since I read the books and my memory could be betraying me here.
Rand tends to take solo trips to various places IIRC, so he's frequently without protection.
Pretty much anytime a woman shoes up. I remember something about a queen tying him up and using him as a sex doll (which is pretty much makes him familiar bait during those moments and is hardly a demonstration of unthouchability).Mr Bean wrote:
When did Matt get captured?
Are we being a bit silly here? Yes, being tied to a bed is a bad way to be if you need to pick a fight, and I can see how someone with Vlad's abilities could use it to jump in kill him and leave in the hour or so (at most) that he is tied to a bed, but it's hardly an indication he isn't security conscious. I'd argue that staying queens consort and keeping his head down in an occupied city is a pretty good example of him being security conscious, because no one considered him any sort of threat when he was probably the most dangerous man in the city.Getting tied to a bed is not exactly a good state to be in when you need to defend yourself. It's really bad when said assassin has two sneaky, venomous flying creatures as companions (his familiar and his familar's mate). It also shows that Matt isn't security conscious. Relying on luck, even when it's a super power, against a professional killer who tends to make luck irrelevant and also has a destiny shtick working out for him is a bad, bad idea.