They sure as hell wouldn't watch True Blood!

THQ certainly played it that way; they have a recurring strategy of sinking assloads of marekting into games to see if they can create the 'next big thing'.

The Homefront developers were all fired, so THQ certainly knows it sucked - but they also know it would have failed even more if their marketing blitz hadn't pushed it so hard.

And seriously the idea that bikers wouldn't watch a show about fat beardos who like bikes talking shit at each other is so divorced from reality it's fantastic. Why could they possibly watch it? Arguments? NOT IN MY LOCAL MC!!

KAOS studios will forever go down as an example of how it's bad to overwhelm yourself with a much bigger market than you're used too.

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What about the Brink guys? Similar situation.

A combination of over ambition and limited resources really doomed both those products from the start. While mod developers do tend to be ambitious, they can usually afford to be because of low overhead costs. This attitude does not translate well into a high risk market however. While mainstream developers sometimes become ambitious themselves and should be encouraged to evolve game design, they usually have the resources to take a few hits too.

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Mr Bean's avatar is from a game that had, and still has had, no official marketing. It came out on Steam without fanfare and it built up sales purely on word of mouth and positive reviews. And it's sold over 100,000 copies.

Certainly an anomaly rather than the norm, but it's worth noting exceptions.

In that same grouping Minecraft is another example of the same phenomenon with the news that the game has been purchased over three million times. Positive word of mouth and just being a unique concept can make you over forty million in profit as well.

I would attribute Recetears success to being on Steam. Steam likes to pick a game, publicize the heck out of it and sit on top of a huge pile of money. They really are more of a publisher than a mere digital distribution website. Very few games are accepted by Steam and for indie developers it is a dream come to true to actually achieve that feat. The sad thing is that this is hurting smaller developers, independent PC games that do not get included on Steam find it very hard to make a profit.

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I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.

Is Steam the problem, or a scapegoat? Right now, I hear about indie games through Steam and word of mouth, before Steam is was just word of mouth.

Are you serious Sarevok? A quick check of Steam shows 266 games in the "Indie" category and over three hundred listed developers on the Steam Dev page, the big guys are up there like Bethesda or Capcom but I've never heard of Secret Base Studios but they have a game on Steam (Only one) or Streum On Studio who's in the same boat. Is it easy to release a game on Steam? No, but it's not exactly impossible.

Bean Steam is more complicated than most people realize. Consider the game Evochron Mercenary. It is a highly polished title which proved quite popular amongst those who played X3,Freelancer etc. The company TRIED HARD to get their game on Steam. You know what happened ? The only response they received was no. There was no reason given whatsoever. They were lucky to get a response because Steam has a reputation for not answering emails.

Now you might say that despite this there are still hundreds of indie games on steam. That is true but have you realized many of them are simplistic flash games like VVVVV! ? This why some developers are frustrated with Steam. They have no clear selection procedure on WHAT they want. Steam seems to pick whatever is the current fad on the internet and publicize the heck out of it. Case in point, Terraria, that game used Final Fantasy sprites ! Most companies would not even touch an incomplete game using assets from another game. This is the reason why some developers can't rely on Steam. Unlike other outlets such as gamersgate or direct2drive Steam has no clear requirements for developers to follow. Such nebulous rules are ok I guess for people who develop games for fun but not a comforting thought for professional developers .

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I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.

Who cares? If we're talking about marketing success and failure, anything with no marketing is instantly irrelevant.

Steam being hilarious is more about the way the PC gamer mindset and low margin sales work than 'sell this quality product'.

What is going to be a laugh for me will be the fight between Steam and Origin. I think that EA has already lost the battle because Steam is a platform now. If a PC game isn't on Steam then I'm significantly less likely to play it as being a console baby has made me resent patching, third party matchmaking, chat and all that BS.


EAs value proposition and incentives for Origin would have to be off the scale to make people switch rather than just put a shortcut in Steam.

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Should EA lose the battle though? They withdrew Crysis 2 and their other titles from Steam because Valve was basically trying to tell developers what to do with their own products. Which honestly sounds pretty selfish.

EA may not be the cleanest company in the industry but they've certainly tried improving their image and product quality over the last few years.

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Oh there's no question that Valve have begun drinking the "platform holder" kool aid,but EA has to be mad to try and go toe to toe with them if they don't have more to Origin than just a launcher and overpriced store.

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I haven't heard anything about what Valve was doing. Do you have anything more on that?

News articles which all seem to state the same complaint from EA.

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/06/15/ea-r ... rom-steam/

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6322428/ea ... Btitle%3B5

Though none of them elaborate what the specifics of these rules were. Conservatives on the internet (nerds of course!) are all whining it's a move on EA's part to push Origin but I fail to understand how that's illogical or corporate evil or something.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/BioWare ... 539-1.html

"Personally, I'm a Valve fan and I'd take their word over EA's on anything. "

lol valve fan

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Why anyone would trust a competitors word about something is fucking beyond me. Fucking fanboys.

Here's the short version of the whole Steam/Origin thing

You either have your game and all DLC's on Steam (Buy able via Steam) or your game is not on Steam. EA has started making some of it's DLC online only and the only way to buy it is via Origin (Or sometimes Origin AND Gamestop in game store purchases). They are trying to push Origin on people which is dumb because Origin sucks all around, it's a glorified Download helper with pretty graphics front end. It offers no new features that Steam does not, nor does it offer anything comparable to what Steam already does.

Thanks but that's not the point? If Origin sucks from a technical standpoint that's too bad but it does nothing to explain why it's evil or something for EA to want to pursue their own download service. Especially when Valve treats other people's products like their own.

I mean what Valve is doing is honestly pretty monopolistic. "You can only use our DD service or you get the boot."

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It's not that Valve wants exclusive rights, its that they want a non fractured market whereby of you have DLC for a title you must make it available on Steam even if it is available elsewhere.

Because I agree that its BS that you can't get dlc through Steam for a game you bought on that service. Imagine having to buy 360 DLC through a separate platform.

It doesn't excuse some of Valves actions, but I can definitely agree with wanting an easier customer experience.

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Are you serious?

It's clearly about maintaining marketshare and preventing anyone from giving preferential treatment to anyone but steam, not 'customer experience'. I'd love to see this applied to store-based preorder bonuses.

How... How would that work exactly? You have to download it through your PS3?

360 allows you to buy certain DLC / XBLA games in retailers. But these are all available on the marketplace.

The issue was EA not listing DLC on Steam for titles they sold there.

Its a total platform holders move, I mean Microsoft wouldn't exactly sit idly by if EA decided to sell 360 dlc only through EA.com.

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If EA sold 360 DLC through EA.com, they'd never sell any because consoles don't have a browser. Do you honestly think a closed platform is comparable to an open marketplace where the biggest retailer leans on publishers to ensure nobody else can get an edge?

Steam 'fans' are funny as hell. If only everyone ran their supply chains like Valve!