Get your fill of sci-fi, science, and mockery of stupid people
* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 
Want to support this site? Click

Quote of the Week: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." - Will Durant, American historian (1885-1981)


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-26 03:18am
Offline
Jedi Knight
User avatar

Joined: 2008-09-01 07:16pm
Posts: 868
Location: Fukuoka, Japan
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate section for this but I've been noticing a disturbing trend in the kindle store, namely that of people copying fan-fiction of of FFN and selling it via Amazon. Most recently I found these when searching for Gaunt's Ghosts in Kindle format.

http://www.amazon.com/The-God-of-Death- ... 105&sr=1-4

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Eye-Gods-e ... 6TWVU5XWC2

You'll possibly recognize them as of fanfiction from FFN.

I did a few quick keyword searches under the titles of some other fiction I keep up with and discovered that there were a great many examples of fanfiction being sold via the Amazon kindle store from Warhammer, Star Wars, Stargate, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a couple of other fandoms. As a fanfiction author and someone who does not want publishers to start smacking fanfiction authors with the IP hammer I find this deeply troubling for obvious reasons.

If you have a free moment please check Amazon to make sure none of your stories are currently being sold on their site without your knowledge. Seriously people we do not want publishers to start going after fanfiction hosting sites as a result of this sort of jackassery.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-26 07:03am
Offline
Jedi Knight
User avatar

Joined: 2005-10-22 02:02am
Posts: 621
Location: Perth Western Australia
If this is happening then Amazon is violating copyright law, even if the stories submitted are by the actual fanfic writers that wrote them, let alone third parties. One of the conditions of all fanfic writing is that it is not done for profit. Doing so breaks the unstated contract between all IP creators/owners and the fanfic authors. The exception is when the fanfic is accepted for publication by the IP owners (as has happened with some Star Trek stories and the Grantville Gazette).



TVWP: "Janeway says archly, "Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating." Is the female of the species trying to initiate mating now? Janeway accepts Paris's apology and tells him she's putting him in for a commendation. The salamander sex was that good."
"Not bad - for a human"-Bishop to Ripley
GALACTIC DOMINATION Empire Board Game visit link below:
GALACTIC DOMINATION

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-26 01:53pm
Offline
Youngling
User avatar

Joined: 2010-02-08 06:30pm
Posts: 90
Location: A Sodexo Food Services Dish Pit
That is sad. Especially if someone is copy-pasting the stories to publish. I will admit, I will copy-paste a story to Word, but for the sake of making it more accessible to me for reading in my downtime. I printed out Hull No. 721 so I could read it during the school mandated reading time, but that's it. And after that, I recycled the whole thing, because I was done with it, and it had gotten out of order. In all honesty, the use of someone else's fanfic for your own personal gain is abominable, and if you really want to publish something, write it yourself and go to a publisher. Not that difficult.



The State of Illinois is a circus; I just can't tell who the ringleader is yet.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-26 01:55pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
DaZergRock54444 wrote:
if you really want to publish something, write it yourself and go to a publisher. Not that difficult.


Do you really expect to be taken seriously? :lol:

Amazon clearly doesn't do much examination of the books published through the Kindle store; they also 'sell' badly-formatted editions of older fiction clearly taken from Project Gutenberg.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-26 05:16pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand

Joined: 2009-05-23 07:29pm
Posts: 21965
Stark wrote:
DaZergRock54444 wrote:
if you really want to publish something, write it yourself and go to a publisher. Not that difficult.
Do you really expect to be taken seriously? :lol:
With a name like DaZergRock54444? Probably not.

But he still has a point- it's extremely poor form to sell stuff someone else wrote, especially when there's a risk of having that bring down a copyright violation suit on both you and the person who wrote it. Writers who will tolerate fanfic that isn't sold for money are a lot likelier to crack down when someone starts selling it.

Quote:
Amazon clearly doesn't do much examination of the books published through the Kindle store; they also 'sell' badly-formatted editions of older fiction clearly taken from Project Gutenberg.
That, at least, raises no copyright issues. Stupid, but not dangerous.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-27 01:58am
Offline
Youngling

Joined: 2009-07-01 09:38am
Posts: 98
Oh, you guy have no idea how bad it is.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-30 04:13am
Offline
Jedi Knight
User avatar

Joined: 2008-09-01 07:16pm
Posts: 868
Location: Fukuoka, Japan
Jesus, this guy has had his story posted for the better part of a year since GW was informed of it. How is it that TSOALR gets shut down but this prick doesn't?

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-31 11:35am
Offline
Jedi Council Member
User avatar

Joined: 2006-05-17 05:05pm
Posts: 1855
Location: New Jersey, USA
Todeswind wrote:
Jesus, this guy has had his story posted for the better part of a year since GW was informed of it. How is it that TSOALR gets shut down but this prick doesn't?


Amazon is rich and has a lawyer army. TSOALR guy was poor and had no lawyer at all. Welcome to the reality of intellectual property law. Enjoy your stay.



Image

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-31 08:24pm
Offline
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: 2007-08-02 01:39pm
Posts: 1388
Location: Dresden, valley of the clueless
Aren't there publishers that specialize in eBooks? Seeing as there is quite a bit of really good fiction on the net and finding a publisher (or even a good editor) is such a problem for authors, there should be many people who would accept an offer to be published. And since it wouldn't cost anything but the time and money spent on editing/cover art, publishers can take on unproven authors.



http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

This is pre-WWII. You can sort of tell from the sketch style, from thee way it refers to Japan (Japan in the 1950s was still rebuilding from WWII), the spelling of Tokyo, lots of details. Nothing obvious... except that the upper right hand corner of the page reads "November 1931." --- Simon_Jester


Last edited by Skgoa on 2011-09-27 07:30am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-07-31 09:47pm
Offline
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: 2002-10-10 07:05pm
Posts: 1141
Location: Terra Secunda
There are lots.

Here's a list of some of them: http://www.ebookcrossroads.com/epublishers.html



"I said two shot to the head, not three." (Anonymous wiretap, Dallas, TX, 11/25/63)

Only one way to make a ferret let go of your nose - stick a fag up its arse!

there is no god - there is no devil - there is no heaven - there is no hell
live with it
- Lazarus Long

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-08-08 04:49am
Offline
BANNED

Joined: 2011-07-12 05:16am
Posts: 294
Location: Ossurary Gateworld, Corrupted Wilderness, Star Wars Galaxy. Serving her Divine Highness.
Hmph, I was looking at some Kindle at the Amazon site & was shocked at the sheer volume of plagiarized erotica from the 60's-70's-80's era. Of course those were all out of print for a very long time.

But how much stolen FF is good & how much is yaoi fangirl rubbish filled w/ MarySues?

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-08-08 04:24pm
Offline
Jedi Master
User avatar

Joined: 2010-08-22 07:47am
Posts: 1198
Location: Watching the levee break
I really want to ask why you were searching for erotica... But I think I can guess...



"Seriously though, every time I see something like this I think 'Ooo, I'm living in the future'. Unfortunately it increasingly looks like it's going to be a cyberpunkish dystopia, where the poor eat recycled shit and the rich eat the poor." Evilsoup, on the future

StarGazer, an experiment in RPG creation

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-08-08 05:09pm
Offline
Jedi Knight
User avatar

Joined: 2011-04-01 11:41am
Posts: 793
Location: G-D SAVE THE QUEEN
Well, there's really only one reason to search for erotica. On-topic, this is a potentially scary development, for the reason B5B7 gave. I mean, I'm not a particularly big fanfic reader (in fact I feel a certain shame at reading any fanfiction), but it would be a shame if a few greedy fuckbuckets ended the whole thing.



And also one of the ingredients to making a pony is cocaine. -Darth Fanboy.

My Little Warhammer: Friendship is Heresy - Latest Chapter: 7 - Rainbow Crash

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: Fan-fiction Plagiarism PostPosted: 2011-08-09 04:43pm
Offline
BANNED

Joined: 2011-07-12 05:16am
Posts: 294
Location: Ossurary Gateworld, Corrupted Wilderness, Star Wars Galaxy. Serving her Divine Highness.
barnest2 wrote:
I really want to ask why you were searching for erotica... But I think I can guess...


laughs...

you can't tell me you've never read one & thought it was hillarious.

same w/ romance novels. So many cheesy euphamisms. plus it's funny how many covers fabio is on, but is he ever cast as an italian? (like Romeo for example) it's almost always an indian of 1/2-indian or a fifth... but it's still a dream job. look good=get paid a lot.

though the funniest i think was one set in the time of caligula. w/ the male lead a barbarian gladiator from britain. he looked awful bishie on the cover. he should've looked grizzled & battle-scarred considering the fight he was in. Chicks dig Scar right? ;)

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group