[Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

A failed experiment whereby board users were invited to advise the Senate, and instead attempted to replace the Senate.
User avatar
Havok
Miscreant
Posts: 13014
Joined: 2005-07-02 10:41pm
Location: Oakland CA
Contact:

[Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Havok » 2009-09-26 02:03pm

In light of the recent threads on this, and since some people feel that tradition just can't be altered, rules can't be changed, spam will run wild etc., I propose a compromise.

Lets see how Mike and the Admins feel about creating a new forum that allows for what Testing has become; a place where people can be as silly or as serious as they want, a place that still adheres, minus a few, to the rules of the board, a place where you can run AVs and sigs by people if you wish, a place that allows you to make birthday and other type threads. Basically a forum that doesn't fall under the purvey of any of the other forums. As Knife put it, a 'silly' forum.

Along with this, create an actual 'testing' forum that allows for the too serious, or too good for 'testing' people (and lets be honest, as some people have said, that is what this issue is about) to post only in order to test board functions, AVs and sigs (although, this is also a redundant reason for testing) or anything else a 'serious' testing forum would or should be used for.

What this thread can be used for, if this is an agreeable idea, is how to structure the rules of the new forum (my thoughts are to have it basically as testing is now, but without the auto-prune and page three locks, but with a dedicated moderator and the same rule set, with minor alterations), setting the ground rules for a possible new test only forum, coming up with an appropriate name for the forum(s), suggesting mods, seeing if the idea has merit or legs and if this is a compromise that is acceptable.
Image

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Blank Yellow (NSFW)
"Mostly Harmless Nutcase"

User avatar
Aaron
Blackpowder Man
Posts: 12031
Joined: 2004-01-28 11:02pm
Location: British Columbian ExPat

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Aaron » 2009-09-26 07:27pm

I'm going to restate my proposal to just re-badge the BoTM. Apparently the BoTM was what Testing is now, so we may as well just shove it over there. The forum sees very little use, it already has a Mod and the amount of actual porn in there has decreased drastically in recent years. In effect it's just taking up bandwidth and space, turn it into a useful forum, give Bear something to do.

Zod (?) raised the concern that the BoTM is adult oriented, a legitimate point. To which I'll ask how many regular posters are under 19 (or whatever the age limit is).
M1891/30: A bad day on the range is better then a good day at work.
Image

User avatar
Havok
Miscreant
Posts: 13014
Joined: 2005-07-02 10:41pm
Location: Oakland CA
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Havok » 2009-09-26 07:40pm

In order to retask BoTM, someone would have to go through and remove all the porn and adult material. That is ridiculous to ask anyone to do, which is why it wasn't part of my suggestion. I was also aiming for a public forum.
Image

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Blank Yellow (NSFW)
"Mostly Harmless Nutcase"

User avatar
Aaron
Blackpowder Man
Posts: 12031
Joined: 2004-01-28 11:02pm
Location: British Columbian ExPat

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Aaron » 2009-09-26 07:43pm

Havok wrote:In order to retask BoTM, someone would have to go through and remove all the porn and adult material. That is ridiculous to ask anyone to do, which is why it wasn't part of my suggestion. I was also aiming for a public forum.


Point taken. I never considered that bit.
M1891/30: A bad day on the range is better then a good day at work.
Image

User avatar
Darth Nostril
Jedi Knight
Posts: 938
Joined: 2008-04-25 02:46pm
Location: Get off my lawn

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Darth Nostril » 2009-09-26 08:00pm

Besides which BotM is an invitation only group, not exactly evenly remotely useful as a replacement for Testing.
So I stare wistfully at the Lightning for a couple of minutes. Two missiles, sharply raked razor-thin wings, a huge, pregnant belly full of fuel, and the two screamingly powerful engines that once rammed it from a cold start to a thousand miles per hour in under a minute. Life would be so much easier if our adverseries could be dealt with by supersonic death on wings - but alas, Human resources aren't so easily defeated.

Imperial Battleship, halt the flow of time!

My weird shit NSFW

User avatar
Aaron
Blackpowder Man
Posts: 12031
Joined: 2004-01-28 11:02pm
Location: British Columbian ExPat

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Aaron » 2009-09-26 08:07pm

Darth Nostril wrote:Besides which BotM is an invitation only group, not exactly evenly remotely useful as a replacement for Testing.


Yes, there isn't any reason why it has to stay that way though. Especially as not much goes on there, Hav has a good point though in that it is probably easier and quicker for the Admins to just whip a new forum.

You can consider the point conceded.
M1891/30: A bad day on the range is better then a good day at work.
Image

User avatar
Spanky The Dolphin
Mammy Two-Shoes
Posts: 30776
Joined: 2002-07-05 05:45pm
Location: Reykjavík, Iceland (not really)

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Spanky The Dolphin » 2009-09-26 08:38pm

Regardless of however this current page three lock discussion turns out, I think the creation of a "new" Testing is completely unnecessary. Testing as it is has always functioned perfectly well as both a "casual" forum and one for more serious technical issues, and making two new forums with each of those partial functions would just be totally redundant.
Image
I believe in a sign of Zeta.

[BOTM|WG|JL|Mecha Maniacs|Pax Cybertronia|Veteran of the Psychic Wars|Eva Expert]

"And besides, who cares if a monster destroys Australia?"

User avatar
Havok
Miscreant
Posts: 13014
Joined: 2005-07-02 10:41pm
Location: Oakland CA
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Havok » 2009-09-26 08:52pm

I somewhat agree, but I think part of the perceived, possibly real, animosity of some of the board members towards testing is that the forum is no longer used for it's primary purpose. Really, look at the situation. BoTM is far more offensive, and just as silly as testing, yet there is no animosity toward that forum.
I feel that a large part of that is because it is supposed to be offensive and silly, that was it's purpose while 'testing' was co-opted for this purpose without 'permission'.
The rest probably comes from the open nature of testing, and certain instances that have caused knee jerk and over the top reactions. Of course those are no where near the norm, but hey.

If testing was recreated as a porn free BoTM type forum, with it's own rules and mod, I have this feeling that it wouldn't be 'hated' nearly as much as 'testing' in it's current form is now.

As for my 'somewhat agree', yes it would be redundant to make two testing forums that serve the same function, but I was envisioning more of a silly forum, where anything goes topic wise, and if people still wanted to post AV and sig tests, they could, along with anything else they wanted. While 'testing' would be strictly for testing AVs, sigs, functions, mobile logins, etc.
Image

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Blank Yellow (NSFW)
"Mostly Harmless Nutcase"

User avatar
General Zod
Never Shuts Up
Posts: 28618
Joined: 2003-11-18 03:08pm
Location: The Clearance Rack
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby General Zod » 2009-09-26 08:58pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:I'm going to restate my proposal to just re-badge the BoTM. Apparently the BoTM was what Testing is now, so we may as well just shove it over there. The forum sees very little use, it already has a Mod and the amount of actual porn in there has decreased drastically in recent years. In effect it's just taking up bandwidth and space, turn it into a useful forum, give Bear something to do.

Zod (?) raised the concern that the BoTM is adult oriented, a legitimate point. To which I'll ask how many regular posters are under 19 (or whatever the age limit is).


As long as it's publicly visible does it really matter how many posters we have under the age limit?
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."

Image

ImageImage

User avatar
Aaron
Blackpowder Man
Posts: 12031
Joined: 2004-01-28 11:02pm
Location: British Columbian ExPat

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Aaron » 2009-09-26 08:59pm

General Zod wrote:As long as it's publicly visible does it really matter how many posters we have under the age limit?


Nope.
M1891/30: A bad day on the range is better then a good day at work.
Image

User avatar
Uraniun235
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13772
Joined: 2002-09-12 12:47am
Location: OREGON
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Uraniun235 » 2009-09-26 09:54pm

Havok wrote:I somewhat agree, but I think part of the perceived, possibly real, animosity of some of the board members towards testing is that the forum is no longer used for it's primary purpose. [etc.]

If that's true, I think those board members have fucking mental problems.
"There is no "taboo" on using nuclear weapons." -Julhelm
Image

What is Project Zohar?
"On a serious note (well not really) I did sometimes jump in and rate nBSG episodes a '5' before the episode even aired or I saw it." - RogueIce explaining that episode ratings on SDN tv show threads are bunk

User avatar
Havok
Miscreant
Posts: 13014
Joined: 2005-07-02 10:41pm
Location: Oakland CA
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Havok » 2009-09-26 11:25pm

Well as I said in the OP they are redundant reasons for testing. As I also said, this thread is to float the idea, not for me to fight tooth and nail for it. If there is no dedicated 'testing' thread that is fine. Perhaps just a redefinition of what 'testing' can be used for so people can stop with he 'omg no one is actually testing anything'.
Image

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Blank Yellow (NSFW)
"Mostly Harmless Nutcase"

User avatar
Enigma
is a laughing fool.
Posts: 7425
Joined: 2003-04-30 10:24pm
Location: c nnyhjdyt yr 45

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Enigma » 2009-09-27 01:45am

Just rename Testing to "Shit Slinging Monkey Pit" or something like it. As mentioned previously the UCP already takes care of the testing aspect of avatars, sigs and so forth and the software will let you know if you've exceeded the allotted dimensions\file size\character length of the AV\sig\etc... Even if you want feedback from other members, you are most likely going to get a serious answer unless you post something seriously offensive.

Host a thread in which everyone can suggest a name and then have a board wide vote on it, then send it to the Senate or bypass them and go straight to the Admins. I'd also agree to dropping the page three lock and relax a bit if no abolish the auto deleting of the posts. But I wouldn't want any posts made there be counted to the user's postcount. :)

Just my two sperm cells worth.
ASVS('97)/SDN('03)

"You, m'lady are alike that spring rose."
"How so?"
"Unfuckable."
SMBC

ASSCRAVATS!

User avatar
RogueIce
_______
Posts: 12995
Joined: 2003-01-05 01:36am
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida, USA
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby RogueIce » 2009-09-27 07:20am

Destructionator XIII wrote:These functions can be done entirely with the preview button in the user control panel - there's no need for a forum to do them at all.

Drat, you beat me to it!

Destructionator XIII wrote:(Of course, unless by "testing avs" you mean getting human feedback on it rather than testing the technical aspect. The, obviously, you can't just preview it yourself.)

Then just make a thread in AMP. Mike made one for his sig banners, so I don't see why asking for feedback on avatars would be so horrible. Granted that only works for the graphics bit; if you're looking for feedback on layout, quotes, etc. AMP won't work. But as Enigma pointed out, even with Testing as it is you'll still get some measure of serious feedback if you ask for it.

Destructionator XIII wrote:It seems inevitable that a forum made to do software tests was co-opted into something else unless it is strictly ruled by an iron fist. A "pure testing" forum would be utterly dead.

Indeed. How many people really need to figure out how the bold tags work, for instance? Sure people fuck up quote boxes all the time, but that's honestly something only the preview button and a little effort will fix. No amount of testing in Testing is going to help you when you accidently have only one [/quote] tag when you should've had two because you accidently deleted one when trying to do multi-quotes. That's what the preview button is for: so you can see the screwup, see where the screwup took place, and go correct it.

And ever since they took away polls, there's an element of board software you can't even test in Testing. Yes I remember why, but has anyone bothered to see if the new board software's autoprune will be foiled by unlimited polls? Or do mods really not care enough to bother? Because I know I've seen when some mod made a poll thread in Testing, but I don't recall if they time limited it or not.
Image
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)

"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight

User avatar
Stark
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 36169
Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Stark » 2009-09-27 07:51am

C'mon, the odds of anyone getting a new forum is pretty much zero. Even if the whole idea of testing (ie, testing sigs, avs, etc) is totally redundant itself. It could easily be replaced by a mail address for all the 'oh dear I can't login' problems.

I'm pretty wary of the idea that someone can change rules to move the testing posting into a different forum. If the posting is there because of laxer rules or avoiding the tryhards, it's not going to easily move into a forum with both. The suggestion that changing the name would change anything is absurd; the sort of people who 'hate' 'testing' would simply continue to refer to it as testing as they do now. It would change nothing, because the real issue is 'for serious' posters hating 'for fun' posters.

User avatar
Lagmonster
Master Control Program
Master Control Program
Posts: 7561
Joined: 2002-07-04 09:53am
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Lagmonster » 2009-09-27 09:24am

Stark wrote:I'm pretty wary of the idea that someone can change rules to move the testing posting into a different forum. If the posting is there because of laxer rules or avoiding the tryhards, it's not going to easily move into a forum with both. The suggestion that changing the name would change anything is absurd; the sort of people who 'hate' 'testing' would simply continue to refer to it as testing as they do now. It would change nothing, because the real issue is 'for serious' posters hating 'for fun' posters.

I know some people don't like it, but I strongly suggest they co-opt the BotM. It's private, designated for random content, and already in use. Testing could therefore remain a mod punching bag and technical aid, and the people who crave some sort of cultural segregation from 'tryhards' (a variation on 'main board sucks' that I see in increasing quantity this morning) could have their untouched privacy. Yes, kids couldn't currently get in to play with you, but when it gets right down to it, private usergroups are easier to change than public ones.

We could even rename it "Quebec" in honour of its distinct society and insistence that the feds don't give it enough freedom. :lol:
Image

User avatar
Thanas
Magister
Magister
Posts: 29546
Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Thanas » 2009-09-27 09:26am

I don't think anyone would really visit such a forum. Just my 0.02$, but I do not really think this will be a success.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------
My LPs

User avatar
Aaron
Blackpowder Man
Posts: 12031
Joined: 2004-01-28 11:02pm
Location: British Columbian ExPat

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Aaron » 2009-09-27 09:58am

Lagmonster wrote:I know some people don't like it, but I strongly suggest they co-opt the BotM. It's private, designated for random content, and already in use. Testing could therefore remain a mod punching bag and technical aid, and the people who crave some sort of cultural segregation from 'tryhards' (a variation on 'main board sucks' that I see in increasing quantity this morning) could have their untouched privacy. Yes, kids couldn't currently get in to play with you, but when it gets right down to it, private usergroups are easier to change than public ones.

We could even rename it "Quebec" in honour of its distinct society and insistence that the feds don't give it enough freedom. :lol:


Being upset with the "tryhards" or wanting to cut down on the dog piling = board sucks? I could see if it was someone like Schuylar Colfax saying it but you've got several long time and respected members pointing this out, one of whom (Red) has been a member almost from day one and a long time member of the boards administration.
M1891/30: A bad day on the range is better then a good day at work.
Image

User avatar
General Schatten
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5461
Joined: 2006-07-25 09:32am
Location: Beverly, WV

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby General Schatten » 2009-09-27 01:02pm

Again, the problem with just moving the unserious shit over to BotM is that not all of us who actually enjoy testing are members.
Wolf Ritter
A Certain Clique, HAB, The Chroniclers
Why would you celebrate the slowly tightening grip of Death?~Hans Beinholt, German Ambassador to the UN, on Children's Birthday Parties.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis

User avatar
RedImperator
Roosevelt Republican
Posts: 16465
Joined: 2002-07-11 07:59pm
Location: Delaware
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby RedImperator » 2009-09-28 12:28am

General Schatten wrote:Again, the problem with just moving the unserious shit over to BotM is that not all of us who actually enjoy testing are members.
It's a small point of pride for me that I never joined the BotM. Anyway, I can almost guarantee if you shifted Testingstan into the BotM (or any other private forum), it would be deader than Napoleon in a few months.
Image
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963
X-Ray Blues

User avatar
Havok
Miscreant
Posts: 13014
Joined: 2005-07-02 10:41pm
Location: Oakland CA
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Havok » 2009-09-28 12:39am

Yeah. I joined BoTM last year some time. I think I have posted in there like 3 times. It is in essence, testing+porn-%50 randomness. Something about it being a private forum keeps it from being any fun to participate in. Obviously I'm not the only one that feels that way either.
Perhaps the change in testing over the years has been the major contributor to that particular forum's demise.

As I said, I wasn't trying to establish a private forum or new usergroup, but establish some new setup that doesn't treat testing as a forum that has been hijacked, but rather give it a facelift if you will, so that the people that are pissed that that is what they feel has happened can stop being upset.
Image

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Blank Yellow (NSFW)
"Mostly Harmless Nutcase"

User avatar
Shroom Man 777
FUCKING DICK-STABBER!
Posts: 19927
Joined: 2003-05-11 08:39am
Location: Bleeding breasts and stabbing dicks since 2003
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Shroom Man 777 » 2009-09-28 03:26am

How does one join this 'Brotherhood of the Monkey'?
Image Image Image
shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people :D - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
Pink Sugar Heart Attack!

User avatar
Mr. Coffee
is an asshole.
Posts: 3258
Joined: 2005-02-26 07:45am
Location: And banging your mom is half the battle... G.I. Joe!

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Mr. Coffee » 2009-09-28 05:35am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:How does one join this 'Brotherhood of the Monkey'?


PM Yosemite Bear, Shroomy. But Hav's right, it's deader than a graveyard at midnight in there.
Image

Goddammit, now I'm forced to say in public that I agree with Mr. Coffee. - Mike Wong
I never would have thought I would wholeheartedly agree with Coffee... - fgalkin x2
Honestly, this board is so fucking stupid at times. - Thanas
GALE ForceCarwash: Oh, I'll wax that shit, bitch...

User avatar
The Grim Squeaker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10213
Joined: 2005-06-01 01:44am
Location: A different time-space Continuum
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby The Grim Squeaker » 2009-09-28 05:44am

Mr. Coffee wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:How does one join this 'Brotherhood of the Monkey'?


PM Yosemite Bear, Shroomy. But Hav's right, it's deader than a graveyard at midnight in there.

During a Michael Jackson video?
Photography
Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.

User avatar
Coyote
Rabid Monkey
Posts: 12464
Joined: 2002-08-23 01:20am
Location: The glorious Sun-Barge! Isis, Isis, Ra,Ra,Ra!
Contact:

Re: [Discussion] Rename Testing. Make A New Testing. Etc.

Postby Coyote » 2009-10-02 11:36pm

SD-chan just too obvious?

I don't mind a place to jerk off every once in awhile, I go there myself when the need arises and I have a bottle of Jergens all warmed up... so long as it stays there.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!


Return to “The House of Commons”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests