Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

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Should Testing threads continue past page 3?

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Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba » 2009-09-22 06:38pm

RedImperator wrote:It hasn't been necessary since we went to auto-prune. Good luck getting it changed, though.
This. Frankly, there doesn't seem to be any reason to lock Testing threads once they reach the third page now that they'reauto-deleted as soon as there's a short period of inactivity. Say what you will about utility (yada yada plebes yada yada lumpenproles yada yada testingstan vendettopaths strak) but plenty of healthy and entertaining threads have been locked at page 3 for what amounts to... No real reason other than giving super-mods something to do. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking that this is a pretty obsolete and pointless rule these days, with the software the board now uses.

So if there's a good showing of support in this thread (read: no matter what happens in this thread) then I guess I'll PM the Senatards on the issue?

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Knife » 2009-09-22 07:12pm

If they are healthy and entertaining, why are they in testing?
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Oskuro » 2009-09-22 08:16pm

Indeed.

On the other hand, I agree some fun Testing threads get killed when they have some steam left in them, so maybe suggest the rule be made flexible if the mod about to make the locking considers the thread worthy of a few more pages?
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Havok » 2009-09-22 08:24pm

Knife wrote:If they are healthy and entertaining, why are they in testing?
Right. A thread can't possibly be entertaining in testing, and not fall into a specific forum category. I mean, all those RAR threads in Off Topic are just so much fun and vital.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by phred » 2009-09-22 08:42pm

Knife wrote:If they are healthy and entertaining, why are they in testing?

Because we don't want to incur the wrath of the mods for posting what is basically spam in their forums? Even if it is entertaining spam.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Mr Bean » 2009-09-22 09:22pm

No

*Edit, how about this? It can go past page three, but we go with my idea and all threads in testing auto-delete after an hour.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-22 09:27pm

Knife wrote:If they are healthy and entertaining, why are they in testing?
Should we start tracking how many Testing threads are uplifted into otherwise dead forums? It's actually pretty funny.

Turns out people are more ready to discuss things in the Testing area instead of being dogpiled or hijacked into ZOMG MCNAMARA.
Bean wrote:*Edit, how about this? It can go past page three, but we go with my idea and all threads in testing auto-delete after an hour.
Or you could just grow up and realise that 'you dislike' != 'is bad'. Threads get moved, thus instantly disproving your implicit claim. This thread should have been entitled 'hilarious SDN polarisation', because that's what it's going to represent.

I'm not actually fussed. I'm not sure how much quality gets killed; the limit is functionally useless due to auto-prune, but the Serious Business brigade is too hilarious to allow it to change. Remember how the stupid 60-character limit is totally ok because people got used to it? Why fix it if people can jump through hoops?

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Mr. Coffee » 2009-09-22 10:11pm

Testing auto-deletes after 24hrs anyways, right. So what possible purpose does the page three lock serve other than to inflate mod egos and put a premature end to a lot of threads that are hilarious and pretty much serve as a release valve for all the spam and one-liners that we can't toss out in the rest of the board. Now, I know Beaner hates the funny and has a hard-on for shitting up the laughs in Testing (and probably begins the day by chucking a kitten out the window to make sure that gravity still works, but I can't verify that), but if he has such a huge problem with it he can just stay the fuck out and leave us to our harmless fun.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by fgalkin » 2009-09-22 11:33pm

You have your fun, posting along merrily in a thread. Then, a mod has his fun locking it (and yes, locking threads is fun). Then, you begin to feel all nervous as your favorite thread is approaching page 3. "Oh no," people think, "I must post soon or not at all." This too is great fun for us.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-22 11:39pm

Nobody does that. It just ends discussions for no necessary reason.

Shit did I forget that counted as a good reason? Lol I wonder why board is conservative?

Atvleast mods admtting they apply rules out of such a sense of hostility is a breath of openness. One day everyone will be this honest about their activities!

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Havok » 2009-09-22 11:45pm

In all seriousness, is there actually a reason? (*Mod fun aside) Most threads in testing sputter out and never even make page three, so the auto delete deals with those, as well as dealing with any thread that hasn't been posted in in a 24 hour period. Testing posts also no longer count towards post counts either, so there is no hassle there.

I'm not a big fan of a lot of the threads in testing, but occasionally there are threads that, while not deserving of a move due to silliness or not having a more appropriate forum to go to, contain useful info, meaningful discourse, or just a ton of laughs.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-22 11:47pm

Ending the redundant page 3 locking would render Testing essentially mod-free, which would make all the uptight important people able to totally ignore it.

Oh wait, the policy is one of vindictiveness and it won't be changed because 'why change it' is a reasonable argument. I forgot.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Oscar Wilde » 2009-09-22 11:49pm

Havok wrote: *You guys should totally let me Mod Testing. It would be a gas.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Mr. Coffee » 2009-09-22 11:51pm

Fgalkin can sometimes post quality funny in Testing. Beaner, not so much. I think Beaner is just feeling left out and is taking it out on the rest of us for not laughing at his terrible jokes because he has no sense of humor because he's kind of a douche.

Seriously, there isn't any reason for locking the threads at page three other than some sort of hold-out nod to board custom and/or a sense of animosity towards Testing in general.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Havok » 2009-09-22 11:52pm

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Havok wrote: *You guys should totally let me Mod Testing. It would be a gas.
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Now, now. This isn't Testing, we don't need to spam up the HoC with useless threads and pos... Oh wait. :lol:

My honest opinion, is that it is Dalton's rule, and even though it is fairly redundant now, no one wants to change it.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-22 11:54pm

The animosity is itself deeply amusing, since it only exists because of posturing in the past which led to the current 'lol mods' attitude in general. I'm not sure repealing the lock (and necessary mod attention) would make a great deal of difference (since few of the worthwhile threads would be affected and mods apparently have nothing better to do) but the arguments proposed in favour of it are just hilarious.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by VF5SS » 2009-09-22 11:56pm

Stark wrote: Turns out people are more ready to discuss things in the Testing area instead of being dogpiled or hijacked into ZOMG MCNAMARA.
What does this mean?
This thread should have been entitled 'hilarious SDN polarisation', because that's what it's going to represent.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by General Zod » 2009-09-22 11:57pm

Stark wrote:The animosity is itself deeply amusing, since it only exists because of posturing in the past which led to the current 'lol mods' attitude in general. I'm not sure repealing the lock (and necessary mod attention) would make a great deal of difference (since few of the worthwhile threads would be affected and mods apparently have nothing better to do) but the arguments proposed in favour of it are just hilarious.
Most people just make continuation or sequel or whatever threads anyway. Unless they start clamping down on those too. :)
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-22 11:58pm

Sometimes, people make threads in testing to avoid the board-standard go-nowhere arguments we all know and love (or parody them), such as 'ST so unrealistic, no trigger guards', 'McNamara stole my baby', 'I've got too many guns to put them in a gun locker' and 'I know all about hookers because I talked to a girl once'. By existing inside by divorced from the postcount padding, tryhard vulturing 'community', it gains it's flavour.

The flavour which is largely spam. But hey.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-23 12:00am

General Zod wrote:Most people just make continuation or sequel or whatever threads anyway. Unless they start clamping down on those too. :)
This of course makes no sense at all (as it just wastes more mod time), but due to Fgalkin's openness we can appreciate that this could almost be encouraged, as it would allow more power-demonstrating locks for idle mods.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Trogdor » 2009-09-23 12:21am

Stark wrote:The animosity is itself deeply amusing, since it only exists because of posturing in the past which led to the current 'lol mods' attitude in general.
Out of curiosity, what posturing happened in the past exactly?
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Stark » 2009-09-23 01:11am

It's a general theory, but testing used to be far, far lower profile than it is now and largely ignored (I believe this was for many years). After the hilarious over-reaction and events like the 'clean up testing' 'ban 200 testing posters at random' stuff, testing posters took to mocking mods for these attitudes, which of course creates greater animosity from mods taking Fgalkin-described pleasure in enforcing meaningless rules on people 'disrespecting' them.

I actually think it's ironic and funny.

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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Enigma » 2009-09-23 01:29am

General Zod wrote:Most people just make continuation or sequel or whatever threads anyway. Unless they start clamping down on those too. :)
My memory on this is fuzzy but I thought that the mods have clamped on such things. At least I think they used to.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Count Chocula » 2009-09-23 01:38am

Testing Page 3 Lock Is Testing. I vote No.
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Re: Ending the Testing Page 3 Lock

Post by Thanas » 2009-09-23 02:42am

There is no reason to end the page 3 lock.
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