Size of the new Enterprise

[Bounty]

Preliminary scaling work at TrekBBS based on the shuttleay suggests a 3000ft length, the same as was used in the article posted earlier. I might try a scaling based on the bridge window tomorrow.

[Worlds Spanner]

Preliminary scaling work at TrekBBS based on the shuttleay suggests a 3000ft length, the same as was used in the article posted earlier. I might try a scaling based on the bridge window tomorrow.

God, the first three pages are full of people who can't use their eyes. Reading on in the hopes of some sanity...

[Stark]

Yeah, don't go to TrekBBS unless your shit filters are highly rated. I can't survive in there anymore.

That thread is comedy gold, though.

[Bounty]

Preliminary scaling work at TrekBBS based on the shuttleay suggests a 3000ft length, the same as was used in the article posted earlier. I might try a scaling based on the bridge window tomorrow.

God, the first three pages are full of people who can't use their eyes. Reading on in the hopes of some sanity...

Read selectively. The scaling is on page... six or seven or so. The one with, well actual screenshots as opposed to "but it doesn't feel like more than 1000 feet".

[Jon]

Some good scaling with screenshots has been done there, page 11 in this post http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2959468&postcount=202 which again reinforces the size increase.

[Bounty]

Bernd Schneider lost it. He says that the new Enterprise is 300m long, more or less like the original, and therefore all scaling, interior and exterior shots showing it to be bigger, as well as the designers stating it is bigger, are "continuity errors".

The size comparison has also been updated with a 1445m Galactica.

[Darth Wong]

Bernd Schneider lost it. He says that the new Enterprise is 300m long, more or less like the original, and therefore all scaling, interior and exterior shots showing it to be bigger, as well as the designers stating it is bigger, are "continuity errors".

I almost forgot about that guy. What's his problem? Does he have a fanatical hard-on for the original continuity? Surely he should realize that he's fighting a hopeless battle here; the writers seem to have no intention of sticking to the original continuity beyond some homages and recycling of ideas. What's the point of this Quixotic struggle?

[McC]

I almost forgot about that guy. What's his problem? Does he have a fanatical hard-on for the original continuity? Surely he should realize that he's fighting a hopeless battle here; the writers seem to have no intention of sticking to the original continuity beyond some homages and recycling of ideas. What's the point of this Quixotic struggle?

He seems to be one of the people in the "reboots rape my childhood" crowd. Comedy gold.

[Bounty]

He can't seem to process any discrepancy between TOS and the movie. And not just the obvious stuff, he complains about the phasers looking wrong and the transporters making the wrong noise.

[Darth Wong]

He can't seem to process any discrepancy between TOS and the movie. And not just the obvious stuff, he complains about the phasers looking wrong and the transporters making the wrong noise.

Obviously, he's proceeding from the assumption that TOS was "correct". Given that assumption, anything in the new film which deviates from TOS is "wrong".

[Worlds Spanner]

What a helpful attitude he has.

[Anguirus]

Transporter noise wrong? It sounded virtually identical to me, which surprised me. It's a hell of a lot more like the original than any other movie or TV transporter.

[Havok]

He seems to be one of the people in the "reboots rape my childhood" crowd. Comedy gold.

Holy heartbroken trekkie Batman.

Man, that guy is text book in his denial and of who I have been trying to describe in a few of the ST XI threads. Those who will just not let the idea sink in that this is a completely new universe, and it is not de-canonizing or destroying the TOS timeline. I mean, he can almost understand... you see glimpses of it, but then it is gone.

But yes indeed, comedy gold.

[Stark]

The new movie with its lead ship, however, will probably damage Star Trek's continuity more fundamentally than Enterprise ever could.

They ... just ... don't ... get it. Still, comedy gold.

Because of my respect for The Original Series and the fact that it has the much older rights I may choose to give the reboot and its starships, sets, props and uniforms a lower weight than the classic production design. In my view not the old Star Trek but the new one is an alternate reality. In my database there is only a place for one "real" Enterprise NCC-1701, and it will remain Matt Jefferies' design. The Enterprise always looked as it did in TOS until the ship was refurbished for TMP, and anything weird that happens on the new Enterprise in the new movie should be either a transitory deviation or should not occur at all in what I see as the main Trek timeline. I don't want myself to be spoiled by a mere fashionable new look and feel, regardless whether it comes as an explicit "reboot" or whether it is shamefully labeled as just another new timeline within the existing continuity.

Holy shit. Not only is it sad, but he's quibbling over which of two different universes is the 'alternate' one!

[Aaron]

Read Darkstars blog, they've apparently raped his childhood as well.

[Zablorg]

Both the ideas of "Reboot" and "Alternate Universe" seem to have these people equally flustered. I'd ask how they would propose "restarting" the series, but I'm quite sure I know what the answer would be.

[Havok]

Read Darkstars blog, they've apparently raped his childhood as well.

He does get a little "It looks NOTHING LIKE TOS!!!" for a bit, but for the most part, it is a pretty solid review/critisim of the events in the movie. He even had the same idea as Stark in that Spock Prime, is not the Spock form TOS/TNG but from this completely separate timeline/parallel universe.

He also brings up the good point about how Spock did nothing to try to save his own timeline, when that was absolute standard fare before this movie. As well as the black hole and how the visuals of Vulcan's destruction don't really match up with it being in the center of it, but rather 'eating' its way to the center.

He is off about the black hole/time warp thing though. Spock went through first, but Nero arrived at an earlier time. Their arrivals to them, would have been instantaneous, they just arrived at different dates.

[Darth Wong]

Are these "they're ruining Star Trek" people totally clueless? Franchise movies have been charting their own continuity over and over lately. Batman did it. X-Men did it. Iron Man did it. Spiderman did it. Just how slow-witted do these people have to be, not to see this coming? Or not to notice that these franchises have been strengthened by their respective reboots, not weakened by them?

[Havok]

Are these "they're ruining Star Trek" people totally clueless?

Seriously? Dude. How long have you been arguing with these same people? Of course they are clueless.

Franchise movies have been charting their own continuity over and over lately. Batman did it. X-Men did it. Iron Man did it. Spiderman did it. Just how slow-witted do these people have to be, not to see this coming? Or not to notice that these franchises have been strengthened by their respective reboots, not weakened by them?

Not only that, but it the case of the Marvel movies, they are continuities that run concurrently with the main Marvel universe. That is Marvels stated position as they have given the 'movie universe' its own designation. Why in this specific case, Trekkies can't accept something like that, when they already have it (hellooo... the Mirror Universe), is sorta mind boggling.

[Lord Revan]

I wonder if these are the same people who'd insist that Uhura in TOS was a stronger character then Uhura in STXI?

[Anguirus]

Darkstar's bit hit on the logic holes that everyone's been pointing out, made the bog-standard "Apple Store" and "Ship's too big" noises (did someone else coin the term Monsterprise as well?), and then it got so long-winded that I couldn't finish.

Of course, he really and truly doesn't understand that perfect continuity with the rest of Star Trek is barely relevant in the face of the fact that Star Trek has been utter dogshit for the past 15 years and needed a huge kick in the ass, continuity be damned.

[Darth Wong]

Darkstar's bit hit on the logic holes that everyone's been pointing out, made the bog-standard "Apple Store" and "Ship's too big" noises (did someone else coin the term Monsterprise as well?), and then it got so long-winded that I couldn't finish.

Brevity is not his strong suit

Of course, he really and truly doesn't understand that perfect continuity with the rest of Star Trek is barely relevant in the face of the fact that Star Trek has been utter dogshit for the past 15 years and needed a huge kick in the ass, continuity be damned.

It's actually not surprising; Star Trek has probably constituted a really big part of his life (after all, it's not as if he has much else). When normal people casually dismiss the importance of linkage with the older series, that's obviously not going to sit well with him.

[Patrick Degan]

Question: will the new continuity reverse the bizarre trend established in earlier Star Treks where freighters are always tiny vessels compared to warships? Real freighters can be huge, particularly oil tankers.

Maybe there just wasn't all that much interstellar frieght to be had, so they haven't built larger ships for that purpose because there's no need?

Just a guess.

The Narada herself supports the idea of huge commercial ships given that she was a mining vessel (likely designed to tear apart asteroids and even small moons for their minerals).

[tim31]

LOL at this down the bottom of EAS pages



Sour- fucking- grapes

[Batman]

I will not pretend that this redo DOESN'T offend me to some degree, because it DOES. Kirk era Trek is supposed to be Shatner Kirk, Nimoy Spock, Doohan Scotty, Deforest Kelly Bones and the Jeffries E-Nil. But the redo I wish for is NO LONGER POSSIBLE. The actors that are still alive are way too old to reprise their roles, leave alone at a point 20 or more years BEFORE their appearance in TOS. This ISN'T TOS. It's something new, and UNLIKE ENT, to my knowledge it never pretended otherwise.